Adux

Cutting hands for robbing is OK!!!

7thsfsniper

[/color]CNN.com - Pharmacists fired for denying 'morning after' pill - Feb. 12, 2004[/quote]

FIRED! As it should be. As for the others mentioned it said there will still be arrangements made for distribution of drugs. Sounds to me like the muslims are getting pref treatment because I haven't heard of them getting fired. If it was up to me I would fire anyone who did not want conduct the business of my company in accordance with the policies I put forth. It should be my right.




My personal freedom & that of others I know & care about is far more likely to be infringed by non-Muslims than by Muslims.

Yeah!! That last edict issued by the pope to kill all non-catholics really pisses me off too!!



Heavens preserve me. You want to compare yet another anti-Islam whinge to someone opposing the British Empire. Fine. Whatever rows your boat. There are some species of delusion too surreal to be argued against.

I agree...There are some species of delusion too surreal to be argued against.

Any legal code based on religion is a form of oppression. Beyond that Sharia is no better or worse than any other - it just depends on who enforces it & how. Since very few of those who discuss Sharia have any meaningful understanding of it, I don't really see any point in attempting a debate here. I am yet to attain my qualifications in Islamic jurisprudence, how about you?

Naw, I just read reports where women are stoned for being caught in public without a male family member and then stoned as punishment.

or the one about where a young mans sister was gang raped by tribal council members as punishment for her brother having a relationship with a married woman. Oh! I could just go on and on.....

Just one point,(yea right) when was the last time you heard someone launch a campaign against observant Jews or Catholics who allow religious courts & canon law to arbitrate key issues such as marriage, divirce, property settlement etc? Yet this goes on all ove the Western World.

Actually I'm not familiar with that either. As for religious courts- well here in America we have "In god we trust" printed and damn near everything. Cool thing is you can be sworn with your hand on a Christian bible or a Quran. I think we're fairly tolerant(maybe to a fault). As for allowing courts to decide marriage, div,prop.... Uhhh...yeah... Thats how its done. If you want to refer to our courts as religious, ok, fine. Our founding fathers wrote our basic laws right from the ten commandments. I may not believe in God but but I damn sure like the securities that our laws provide.

A little exercise: Have a look at what people were saying about Jews & Catholics in the C19th & early-mid C20th and see if you can see any similarities with the way Muslims are portrayed today.

I don't know, englighten me. But first explain why I should care?
(once again...last I checked..they don't want to cut of my head for what I believe)

[/quote]

Let me guess, you are a Churchill fan too? Deeply flawed political figures often seem more attractive to those not compelled to suffer their flaws up close.

Let me guess, you are a Ward Churchill fan? And BTW. Without Winston, this conversation probably wouldn't be taking place and we(well at least most of or all of europe) would be speaking the tongue of Der Fatherland. And I'm sure the Nazis would have made it down under by now.


[/b]You may well applaud him. I suspect history will take an altogether different view.[/quote]

I admit there are probably things I didn't know or understand about him because I don't live there. Residents are usually and should be closer and more informed of thier own gov't than foriegners. I admit I read only a few things about him but liked what I saw.

This might help me. Is Howard the one that got some of your guns banned or he the one fighting for the right to own? (Serious question, just thought you could save me the trouble of googling it.)

Oh I almost forgot. No I really don't need a whiney any body to present my opinion. I thought the guy had SOME good points. Simply presented by me as a viewpoint to provoke thought. So, I wonder how much time you'll never get back while reading my whiney, middle aged dribble.HAHA!

__________________
Don't run, you'll only die tired!

glyn

[quote=Bigfella;473780]Sorry Sniper, I couldn't get much past half way. Just one more middle aged English male whining about the world.

You didn't note the humour in the clip? My my! You are a very serious lefty. So many on the left are mirthless I wonder if their sense of humour might have been surgically removed as a rite of passage. Or something that I'd call a wrong of passage. These people are seriously flawed, are not likely to risk their precious necks in the military, or do anything for their country, except protest. They also think they have a right to complain long and loud about virtually anything.

Interesting that he complained about Muslim medical practicioners & pharmacists refusing to offer a full range of services. Christian medical practicioners, hospitals & pharmacists do precisely the same thing in reguard to contraceptives & pregnancy termination. Still, its only bad if muslims do it.

The muslims will also refuse to have anything to do with pig products if they work in a supermarket, whether stacking the cabinets or working at the check-outs. That's fine by you right? Why should they be made unclean by working for racialist capitalists?

Still whining about Sir Winston Churchill who died early in 1965, eh? Are you enjoying your 43 year hissy fit? Or are you going to calm down any time soon and try to join the human race? Do say. At one time I thought you were a thoughtful poster. Not any more, I fear. You name is joining the others on my IGNORE list. Good riddance.

__________________
Semper in excretum. Solum profunda variat.

7thsfsniper

Too late! I googled it. John Howard was a social conservative but seemed to let a single incident sway him toward gun control. He also took the economy from a huge deficit to a surplus by getting slackers off the gov't tit and sending them to work. Oh how awful! Otherwise I see he was a four termer, wow, the majority must have hated him?

Here, here, Glyn, well said. Uhm...I haven't made your list, have I?

glyn

[quote=7thsfsniper;474088] Uhm...I haven't made your list, have I?

No, young man. You are quite safe!

HistoricalDavid

...

You don't have any actual complaints, so you resort to BS speculation which is easily refuted by a short perusal of his videos?

Pat Condell rips the sh- out of both Muslims and Christians, and Scientologists to boot. Doesn't do it to others so much because they don't concern Western discussion so much, presumably.

YouTube - patcondell's Videos

Stop giving secularists and atheists a bad name, prick.

__________________
HD Ready?

Adux

How many of the leftie's of our country can live in a Sharia following country?

Bigfella

Oh dear,

You can get away with a lot around here, but take a swipe at middle aged englishmen or Winston Churchill (OK, the same thing) and its jihad time.

Obviously I can't answer all of this in detail.

Sniper, observant Jews & committed Catholics can both get religious divorces. I'm pretty sure the Jewish version allows for decisions on property, not sure on the Catholic one. You really need to get out more.

The Ward Churchill crack is disturbing. It tells me that you are one of these people who assumes that if a person disagrees with them on one or two issues then they fit some pro forma set of opinions. This says more about your need to beat up on conveniently constructed straw men then it does about my beliefs.

Oh, and if Churchill (Winston) had his way I would now be speaking Japanese. You would still be speaking English reguardless. Do yur homework.

Glyn, stop jumping to conclusions & throwing tantrums. I'm sure that even you would concede that Churchill was a deeply flawed figure who made a lot of mistakes over a long career. He was also the only person who could have led Britain through WW2. My point, had you bothered to ask, was that it is easy to worship a leader from afar (actually, I did sort of say that). Britons understood Churchill's limitations & voted him out of office when the war was over. Americans struggle to understand this. (yes, I know he got voted back in a few years later. You Brits do have a sentimental streak).

Oh, and if the video in question was supposed to be satire then I retract my comments. Viewed as such it was very funny.

If all of this gets me on your 'ignore' list then so be it, though I judging by those standards it is a VERY long list.

David, stop behaving like a petulant child. Sorry that I didn't wade through the catalogue of videos of the fellow in question. After the first one there was no real incentive. If I want to hear middle aged men complain I will have a beer with the blokes from my cricket club.

If I have misjudged the man then correct me by all means. If you want to make personal comments & call me names because I disagree with some third party then get back on your meds. You want I should start to return the favour?

I gave you credit for being a bit more grown up than that. Was I wrong?

To the gathered masses: stories on TV & 'shock horror' articles in the paper do not constitute understanding of something as complex as a 1500 year old legal code.

I don't judge Hinduism by those extremists who still sacrifice children (yes, it does happen), want to bring back the suttee (spelling correct?), or burn Christian missionaries & their children to death. I extend the same courtesy to other religions. Apparently I am a lone voice in that respect.

__________________
Win nervously lose tragically - Reds C C

Adux

Bigfella,

Extremism and intolerence is widespread, doesnt that answer why people cant see it as the exception and not the norm, as they do with other religions. And I am pointing out the Stains episode here. Other religions of today are not stuck in time warp nor are they unrelenting to have a dialouge with people of other faiths, With Islam, the people, nor the ulema are ready to understand or offer any sort compermises.

I agree there is Islamophobia and it doesnt show good on us, but isnt there valid reasons? we are after all human and we do have our insecurities.

Parihaka

Lay off the name calling please Gentlemen (HistoricalDavid, I'm looking in your general direction )

crooks

How many have expressed the desire to?

__________________

omon

i know i'll get flamed for it, but yes it is ok, imo
choped hand is a very good visual example of what will happen if you steal, better than jail. and after you loose one hand, there is a very slim chance you will steal again, for obvious reasons.

our turkish friends can tell you, they used to chop off theefs hand, now what are the chances, of your stuff getting stolen in turkish market? from personal experiense i'd say very slim, i was there in 92, i left my bag in a store(a tent more like it), the store owner or worker ran after me, dragged me back to the store, i had no idea what he wanted, luckely some other russian there explained the situation, so i came back to the tent, and he returned my bag, he didn,t take it and run after me to give it back, but brought me back to the store. sadly russians brought negative things to turk markets.

__________________
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" B. Franklin

gunnut

It's OK only if you are ABSOLUTELY sure the guilt is real.

Quite often a poor sap was at the wrong place at the wrong time and gets blamed for it.

This is also the only problem I have for the death penalty. It's too final.

__________________
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

gamercube

One of the best quotes I've read on a forum for quite a while. I feel the same way many times, but have a hard time expressing it so eloquently. Bigfella, do you mind if I put this into my signature?

__________________
Hasta la Victoria siempre!

Agnostic Muslim

Add to your "widespread extremism and intolerance", stereotypes and xenophobia, applicable in the case of certain individuals expressing above mentioned opinions.

That you do not care for Islam is evident, and to each their own, but do try and prove to me conclusively that a majority of Muslims want neither interfaith dialog nor interfaith tolerance, any less than adherents of other religions.

People do not see it as the exception rather than the norm because they choose to focus on the "flashier and titillating exceptions". It is no different in Muslim societies, where all the good the West has done, all the good their culture and society has achieved, is lost in the attention surrounding, and in some cases distortion of, certain events.

On the issue of the Ulema I would agree with you, they are stuck in a time warp, though more and more educated, worldly and moderate scholars are coming up and gaining popularity.

__________________
Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah