7thsfsniper

WELL SAID!!!! Might I add to the matter that dead men do not litigate.

I will give religion in general kudos for providing us with some spectacular wars over the last few thousand years. I wish someone would have invented videotape earlier. I mean c'mon. Wouldn't you have rather seen actual footage of thermopylae instead of the "300"

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To do so, one has to first believe in the superiority of his own belief that all religions are wrong and his lack of religion is correct. That in itself becomes a religion

Nonsense! It is the antithesis of a religion in any way shape or form. How many atheist Cathedrals, Abbeys, Mosques, Tabernacles, Temples, Churches or Chapels do you know of? How many paid atheist missionaries are there? Do you know of any pilgrimages to atheist shrines? Which atheists issue fatwas or call for holy war? No way, Jose!

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gunnut

Not in the traditional form, but we do have them.

ACLU, San Francisco liberals, most of our public schools serve as the gathering place for atheists to preach their theology. There's an all out assault on christianity by the ACLU. They sued the boy scouts so they couldn't gather in a public park for their annual meeting because it's a "religious" organization and the "seperation of church and state" clause (misinterpreted in my view) dictates they should be kicked off public land.

Curiously, these so-called atheists don't seem to have a problem accepting demands from muslims.

Perhaps they aren't so much as "atheists" but more like "anti-christians."

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7thsfsniper

Bingo! I have several friends who are athiests. I'm an agnostic(I know..fence sitter!). None of us really have problems with christians(except for the ones that want to convert us). I think Gunnut hit it on the head. There seems to be an anti-christian movement there and who better to team up with than fascist muslims. The thing the idiots don't realize they will whack off thier infidel head just as fast as a christians!

glyn

glyn

From San Francisco (my favourite Californian city before I found San Diego years ago) anything is possible! I thought the place had become gay and religious!

7thsfsniper

For me it was seeing the bullet hit nearby and then hearing the rifle report. Made you get real serious in a hurry. I'm fairly sure my last words will be "oh s**t".

Actually, I think its religiously gay but some may beconverting to the church of global warming now. Which I think is also gay.

Tronic

And here in India; many will argue that the atheists here are less "atheists" and more "anti-Hindus"; since they, in the form of their Communist parties, are always at the forefront of backing radical Islamists and shunning anything considered too "Hindu", or "communal" (Ironical, no?), in society. Seems as they are always anti-establishment; don't know why.

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7thsfsniper

Does anyone else see a pattern developing here? Why does it seem the anti-everything elses are teaming up with islamo-fascists? Hmmmmmm! Tronic, Do you think your antis know they are in same boat with the rest of us infidels?

Tronic

I don't think they care, as long as they get the Muslim vote. Small brained idiots.

Ray

The Saudi Shoura has retained their right to criticise other religions.

Check the thread on this issue on this sub forum!

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Bigfella

Yep, but you got the wrong pattern. In Islamic countries athiests are opposed to....wait for it....ISLAM.

Wow, so what we have here is unbelievers in each of these societies fighting against the most powerful religion in that society. Its hardly rocket science fellas. If you want to establish your right not to believe the people most likely to infringe it are not minority religious groups with no significant influence over the government or broader society. In fact, they will probably share your desire to limit the power of the major religion in that society to do so.

Here's a hint for you Sniper - every time a religious figure denounces Islam; every time a politician labels 'the muslims' as the cause of all nastiness; & every time some moron in the West sanctions the poorly thought out use of force in the Muslim world, Osama & his buddies cheer. He wants all muslims to believe that they are in a war to the death with the west, and that only nutjobs like him can protect them. Every time powerful figures in the West fuel that particular fire they help the Islamo-Bolsheviks get closer to their revolution.

If you think that athiests are the problem then you really don't understand what the problem is.

Oh, a question for gunnut - does it state in the rules of the ACLU that one must be an athiest? What percentage of ACLU members are athiest? Where can I find a 'church of Athiesm' (or in my case agnosticism) to worship at? What are the key texts of this religion as identified by the believers themselves?

From here it looks like you are just running a variation of the 'secular humanist' tripe that fundamentalists dreamed up in the 80s to try to keep religion's nasty little hand in every pie by inventing a religion for the unbelievers.

Here's a simple tip: If you, as an adult, don't know you are a member of a religion, you probably aren't. Ask an athiest or agnostic their religion & they'll tell you they don't have one. This point of agreement does NOT constitute a religion, merely the absence of one.

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I was in my youth an atheist and I know how they think. I think that there is some bitterness in Glyn about Christians or Catholics, though I not sure which. Maybe a nun rapped his hands with the proverbial ruler, or he saw to many hypocrites growing up. I've seen a good deal of hypocrites myself but I always remember they are mere men as my self. I love Glyn's rye wit and can easily overlook his many insults. I've said similar insults myself. But I realize that none of us is perfect.

Do I wish that all men would know God? Yes!

Do I wish that all men would think like me? No!

My God gives men a choice to choose Him. He does not force Himself on anyone. And I am not Gods avenging angel to force a man to believe. No one forced me to believe. And I don't see the good of forced conversion. No where in the New Testament am I asked by Jesus to kill unbelievers until they all go in the way of God. In the end God will sort us all out, I don't need to do that for Him. If I have to exact the ultimate judgment which is Gods then God would not be much of a god.

I'm really not sure what the blokes calling themselves Christians were thinking during the crusades, in South America with the Indians, so on and so on as I did not live then.I only know what History teaches. And can't make any definitive judgments as to there situation.

But today, not as a Christian but as a fellow human being I'm looking at what Islam is saying and doing in the name of Allah. And whether I am a Christian, a Jew, an Atheist, an Agnostic, Hindu, Bhutist, it makes no difference, I am an "Infidel" to the Muslim and worthy of death at the hands of a devout Muslim, because all should go in the way of Allah.

Today what unifies us all is that if we are not Muslim we are "Infidel's". Simple as that. I would think the same about this situation if I were a Atheist.

I am not in denial as to what is happening. We sit here quibbling about our differences while England is being trampled by Islam.




Ivan

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