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Old 03-17-2008, 09:15 AM   #16 (permalink)
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It's all B.S. Religion is the opium of the un-educated masses and is exploited as such. It has great value but is just another tool of political mobilization in the wrong hands and a pliable audience.

Education, free press, unfettered and free trade, good laws, strong courts, and respect for institutions. Hard to achieve. Always worth it. The only answer.
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:30 AM   #17 (permalink)
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It's all B.S. Religion is the opium of the un-educated masses and is exploited as such. It has great value but is just another tool of political mobilization in the wrong hands and a pliable audience.
And I thought I was supposed to be the closet Marxist around here. Guess hangin' 'round with the likes of me has begun to rub off on your redneck arse.

Go get 'em Komrade.
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:31 AM   #18 (permalink)
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...but Seriously

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Education, free press, unfettered and free trade, good laws, strong courts, and respect for institutions. Hard to achieve. Always worth it. The only answer.

I'm with HistoricalDavid on this one. Standing ovation. Author!Author!
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Awww joking or not ya just had to bring up the 'Marxist' connection eh, as if being anti-religious stems primarily from Marxism...
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It's all B.S. Religion is the opium of the un-educated masses and is exploited as such. It has great value but is just another tool of political mobilization in the wrong hands and a pliable audience.

Education, free press, unfettered and free trade, good laws, strong courts, and respect for institutions. Hard to achieve. Always worth it. The only answer.
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I'm with HistoricalDavid on this one. Standing ovation. Author!Author!
it is un-fair i was saying that before S-2 :D :D :D :D

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Old 03-17-2008, 11:44 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Well, at least they are suing rather than chopping heads off.
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Why not shoot all the theists and let their gods sort them out to see which is correct. It's solve alot of arguements.
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Awww joking or not ya just had to bring up the 'Marxist' connection eh, as if being anti-religious stems primarily from Marxism...
No, but phrases like 'opium of the under-educated masses' owe a fair debt to ole' Karl. No need to be afraid of him. Mostly unreadable tripe & mostly wrong, but had the occasional insight.
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Why not shoot all the theists and let their gods sort them out to see which is correct. It's solve alot of arguements.

Tempting...but I suspect they will all be in for a VERY unpleasant surprise.
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Old 03-18-2008, 13:58 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Why not shoot all the theists and let their gods sort them out to see which is correct. It's solve alot of arguements.
People tried that in the 20th century. First the Germans on Jews. Then the communists on other religions. We know how well those went.

To do so, one has to first believe in the superiority of his own belief that all religions are wrong and his lack of religion is correct. That in itself becomes a religion and he should commit suicide to start the process. As you can see, it doesn't work that well and we have genocides.
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People tried that in the 20th century. First the Germans on Jews. Then the communists on other religions. We know how well those went.

To do so, one has to first believe in the superiority of his own belief that all religions are wrong and his lack of religion is correct. That in itself becomes a religion and he should commit suicide to start the process. As you can see, it doesn't work that well and we have genocides.
I think (and hope) he was joking.

I'm only very mildy theist though, and very quick to change - just in case he's not joking and manages to get power can I please have a place in the NuGodlessOrder?
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Education, free press, unfettered and free trade, good laws, strong courts, and respect for institutions. Hard to achieve. Always worth it. The only answer.
In my first post I have to respectfully disagree with you completely on two of your points. Life works best when balanced, free press simply means that press are given the rights to manipulate the masses, twist events with carefully picked words and write from one perspective only. Better IMHO to have a mix of state and free press.
Free trade? You mean nations with high civil liberties such as New Zealand and America having there companies compete with slave labour nations such as Phillipines and China? Better to have a tiered system of Free trade. One where such agreements can exist between NZ, Britain Canada, America and Australia while China is restricted to Phillipines etc. Free trade put cheap goods on the tables of westerners but at what cost?
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I apologize. I shouldn't have used "Germans" when I meant "Nazis" in my previous post. Not all Germans were Nazis.
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People tried that in the 20th century. First the Germans on Jews. Then the communists on other religions. We know how well those went.

To do so, one has to first believe in the superiority of his own belief that all religions are wrong and his lack of religion is correct. That in itself becomes a religion and he should commit suicide to start the process. As you can see, it doesn't work that well and we have genocides.


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