Oaths of alleigance for British children?

HistoricalDavid · 03-11-2008, 06:55 AM

- Google News

Take your pick of the stories.

Is it just me, or should patriotism produce ceremony, not ceremony produce patriotism? I doubt this is going to chew at any fundamental problems at all.

dave lukins · 03-11-2008, 08:08 AM

The American Pledge is to the Country and not to the President.

Looking at other Sites and their comments, this is not a path the British want to go down. Lord Goldsmith had better look somewhere else to get his KG.

toemag · 03-11-2008, 13:16 PM

I followed the link from the BBC News and read what the kids had to say, well here's the link BBC News | In pictures: An oath of allegiance?, I pledge thee...

Things have changed a lot....

Tony

T_igger_cs_30 · 03-11-2008, 13:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toemag

I followed the link from the BBC News and read what the kids had to say, well here's the link BBC News | In pictures: An oath of allegiance?, I pledge thee...

Things have changed a lot....

Tony

Was it me or was there only ONE English boy, no Scot, Irish or Welsh? in all that, and did I read a reference to Islam?...............its already doomed before it starts, like everything "they" will always try to make us ashamed to be British

toemag · 03-11-2008, 13:32 PM

Correct Wayne, that's why I posted that link.

How sad.

Tony

toemag · 03-11-2008, 13:34 PM

This one gets my goat the most.

With an oath of allegiance, people are going to feel they have to betray their countries for Britain.

Tony

Knaur Amarsh · 03-11-2008, 13:48 PM

this one gets mine :

Ahmad El-Ashaal, 15
You can't force anyone to do anything. Look at history, look at Hitler, that's dictatorship.

Look around this school - a lot of people, or their parents, weren't born here but they're proud of who they are. They come to make money, for their children's education.

For me, my sense of belonging comes from my religion, from Islam.

glyn · 03-11-2008, 13:49 PM

Of course it won't work, but hey the govenment is keen to be seen as politically correct.

ChrisF202 · 03-11-2008, 14:12 PM

When did the UK become part of the Middle East?

Makes my issues with our immigration problems look trivial

T_igger_cs_30 · 03-11-2008, 14:13 PM

In my day, we used to recite the school prayer every morning, as well as sing the National Anthem, when we went to the picture's (movies for our American friends) the Anthem was played at the end of the show, and people waited and paid respect, the words Loyalty, respect and dedication seem to mean nothing nowadays....................I RESPECT ISLAM BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY FREEDOM, HERITAGE AND RIGHT.........I have no problem when I am in an Islamic country when all stops so they can show there backsides to the west............I respect it, nor do I scream out for C of E churches everywhere, along with fish and chip shops and Teltleys beer. Why cannot that happen in the UK?.....Why cannot most Moslims show respect of other countries.

ChrisF202 · 03-11-2008, 14:13 PM

When did the UK become part of the Middle East?

Is this really how the modern day UK looks or is it just the BBC trying to pander to a specific segment of the population like many of our "mainstream news" sources to with the illegal immigrants and Hispanics in general when asking questions related to our immigration issues?

Knaur Amarsh · 03-11-2008, 14:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

In my day, we used to recite the school prayer every morning, as well as sing the National Anthem, when we went to the picture's (movies for our American friends) the Anthem was played at the end of the show, and people waited and paid respect

Thats what we do in India too.....

T_igger_cs_30 · 03-11-2008, 14:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisF202

When did the UK become part of the Middle East?

Is this really how the modern day UK looks or is it just the BBC trying to pander to a specific segment of the population like many of our "mainstream news" sources to with the illegal immigrants and Hispanics in general when asking questions related to our immigration issues?

Sadly Chris, this is how it is.............its why I choose Canada to live, and thankfully they allowed me that privalige

ChrisF202 · 03-11-2008, 15:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

Sadly Chris, this is how it is.............its why I choose Canada to live, and thankfully they allowed me that privalige

If so then this makes our immigration problems look trivial

I am just shocked at how different the UK looks from what I expected and have been taught my whole life. Too a point I would say that it isent even British anymore!

gunnut · 03-11-2008, 16:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toemag

This one gets my goat the most.

With an oath of allegiance, people are going to feel they have to betray their countries for Britain.

Tony

What? You brits making your colonial subjects swear allegiance to the empire on some remote corner of the globe again?

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HistoricalDavid Distant Deeps or Skies *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-19-05 Location: North London, UK Posts: 2,008 Country:	Oaths of alleigance for British children? - Google News Take your pick of the stories. Is it just me, or should patriotism produce ceremony, not ceremony produce patriotism? I doubt this is going to chew at any fundamental problems at all. __________________ HD Ready?

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toemag *Military Professional* Join Date: 01-28-07 Location: Bavaria Posts: 344 Country:	I followed the link from the BBC News and read what the kids had to say, well here's the link BBC News \| In pictures: An oath of allegiance?, I pledge thee... Things have changed a lot.... Tony __________________ Yet another ex-tankie of 1 RTR origin.

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Knaur Amarsh Contributor Join Date: 10-01-07 Location: Punjab Posts: 531 Country:	this one gets mine : Ahmad El-Ashaal, 15 You can't force anyone to do anything. Look at history, look at Hitler, that's dictatorship. Look around this school - a lot of people, or their parents, weren't born here but they're proud of who they are. They come to make money, for their children's education. For me, my sense of belonging comes from my religion, from Islam. __________________ *:-??*

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glyn *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-15-06 Location: Penzance, Cornwall UK Posts: 6,539	Of course it won't work, but hey the govenment is keen to be seen as politically correct. __________________ Semper in excretum. Solum profunda variat.

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T_igger_cs_30 *Military Professional* Join Date: 01-04-07 Location: Canada Posts: 1,943 Country:	In my day, we used to recite the school prayer every morning, as well as sing the National Anthem, when we went to the picture's (movies for our American friends) the Anthem was played at the end of the show, and people waited and paid respect, the words Loyalty, respect and dedication seem to mean nothing nowadays....................I RESPECT ISLAM BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY FREEDOM, HERITAGE AND RIGHT.........I have no problem when I am in an Islamic country when all stops so they can show there backsides to the west............I respect it, nor do I scream out for C of E churches everywhere, along with fish and chip shops and Teltleys beer. Why cannot that happen in the UK?.....Why cannot most Moslims show respect of other countries. Last edited by T_igger_cs_30 : 03-11-2008 at 14:15 PM.

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dave lukins *Military Professional* Join Date: 01-04-07 Location: cheshire uk Posts: 4,750 Country:	The American Pledge is to the Country and not to the President. Looking at other Sites and their comments, this is not a path the British want to go down. Lord Goldsmith had better look somewhere else to get his KG.

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toemag *Military Professional* Join Date: 01-28-07 Location: Bavaria Posts: 344 Country:	Correct Wayne, that's why I posted that link. How sad. Tony

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toemag *Military Professional* Join Date: 01-28-07 Location: Bavaria Posts: 344 Country:	This one gets my goat the most. With an oath of allegiance, people are going to feel they have to betray their countries for Britain. Tony

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ChrisF202 *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-12-03 Location: Long Island, New York, USA Posts: 2,576 Country:	When did the UK become part of the Middle East? Is this really how the modern day UK looks or is it just the BBC trying to pander to a specific segment of the population like many of our "mainstream news" sources to with the illegal immigrants and Hispanics in general when asking questions related to our immigration issues?

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