TopHatter

I don't mean to say that the PRC is the sole source of counterfeiting (Indeed, an outfit in China, but controlled in Taiwan and Japan, managed to "clone" an entire company, right down to business cards and order forms.)

However the majority of counterfeiting does occur in the most fertile, favorable place for such a thing on the planet, the PRC.

Politics. History. Culture. Attitudes. Work force. Absence of law enforcement.

It's all there in the People's Republic to a degree simply not found anywhere else.

Perhaps the lack of Marxism-Leninism nonsense in the curriculum and an understanding that the rest of the world doesn't give a damn about the "reality" that the CPC has put into place?

xinhui

Until recently, there are only two Universities in HongKong, the HongKong U and the Chinese U. They are considered tops elites institutions in Asia. In a city with over 6 millions, getting your kid into either one was like winning the lottery. In the 1970 and 80s, for those failed to get in, they normally spend their 4 years in a Taiwan college and boot camp in ROC army was part of the package. (Knew number of folks took that path), in the late 80s and 90s as the economy improved, more and more folks took the British commonwealth path, or came to US. Those with less means or wanted to work in China, naturally go to institutions in Guangzhou, which has more outside links and foreign professors then inland institutions. So, researchers from HK universities tends to be the cream of the corp

xinhui

TopHatter,

regarding curriculum in some of the 2nd tier institutions is similar to other aspect of China right now, in which they tend to take quantity over quality. According to number of studies conducted, there were some serious conflict between those returnee who spend time in the West and those who got there by other means.

xinhui

Originally Posted by kams View Post
I have not noticed much difference b/w mainland and Taiwan based institutions.


CPC in Taiwan based institutions?

xinhui

Here is an interesting number


Record number of students to travel abroad
By Wang Ying (China Daily)
Updated: 2008-01-17 07:08


The number of students going abroad for studies is estimated to reach 200,000 this year.

Correspondingly, the number of high school and college graduates is expected to hit a record high of 14.8 million and 5.5 million this year, China Education International Cooperation Group General Manager Li Guanjun said.


Last year, China had 14 million and 5 million fresh high school and college graduates, according to the Ministry of Education (MOE).

And one-fifth of those college graduates had failed to find a job by the end of last year, the MOE said.

"The grim job situation at home, a strong and rising yuan and a favorable visa and scholarship environment will together prompt more students to study abroad," Li said.

"So I expect a 30 percent rise in the number of those going abroad for studies."

The number of such students has been rising in recent years, with about 150,000 traveling overseas last year.

"An average of 130,000 Chinese have been going abroad for studies every year over the past few years, boosting exchanges in the educational fields," said Liu Baoli, deputy director of MOE's international cooperation and exchange division.

The US, Britain, Australia and Canada are the top choices of the students eager study abroad.

Thanks to the easing of US visa rules last year, realizing the "American dream" is no longer very difficult for many Chinese students, said Liu Xuyan, counsel for Beijing Chivast Education International, a leading agency that helps students to study abroad.

"Last year was special for those eager to study in the US because the visa pass rate for that country reached a record 80 percent," Liu Xuyan said.

US embassies and consulates in China issued more than 400,000 visas, including 52,000 for students, from late 2006 to late 2007.

"With more scholarships available, the extension of work plan after graduation and the easing of restriction on part-time work, the prospects of studying in the US will be brighter this year," she said.

As another hot destination for Chinese students, Australia has started an "Australia scholarships" program to strengthen education ties in Asia Pacific. As a result the number of scholarships for students from the region doubled last year.

The Australian immigration authority introduced an 18-month skilled-graduate visa for foreign graduates in September last year.

Canada, too, has seen an increase in the number of younger Chinese students in recent years. Last year, Canada received about 30,000 Chinese students, half of who were below 18 years, according Canadian Education Centre's figures.

The "young trend", experts say, is likely to continue this year.

xinhui

Chinese students flock to Harvard
By Li Xiaokun (China Daily)
Updated: 2008-01-04 07:55


The Chinese mainland has been the second largest source of foreign students at Harvard University for the past seven years, said the prestigious US university.

Among 3,913 international students from 141 countries studying at the university for the 2007-08 academic year, 400, or 10.22 percent, are from the Chinese mainland, second only to 489 Canadians, the Harvard International Office said.

The number of Chinese mainland students at Harvard has increased 81.8 percent in the past 16 years.

More than half of Chinese students there are studying at the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences (GSAC), while others are scattered across various schools ranging from business to design.

The Chinese mainland once topped the international origin countries at Harvard during academic year 1991-92.

But it was dethroned the following year and ranked between second and fourth until academic year 1999-2000, after which it maintained second place, according to Harvard's International Office. Yongwook Ryu, a South Korean PhD candidate at the Department of Government under GSAC, said he has met a lot of Chinese students on campus.

"They impress me deeply by their hard working and efforts to learn Western civilization," said Ryu, who majored in international politics.

Most Chinese students at Harvard are taking postgraduate courses and focusing on research work, he added.

Zhang Xiaoxia, an undergraduate senior at Beijing University of Posts and Telecommunication who has applied for Harvard, said the news is very encouraging. "This is recognition from Harvard of the talent of Chinese elites, and now I am more confident about my application," she said.

The number of Chinese mainland students studying in the United States hit a record high in 2007.

About 51,500 student and exchange visitor visas were issued to mainland Chinese in the fiscal year, up 40 percent from 2006 and double the figure in 2004, according to the US Embassy in China.

Also, 22 students from Hong Kong and 117 from Taiwan are studying at Harvard during the current academic year.

Asian countries take up three seats among the five top foreign student sources of Harvard, with South Korea and India ranking third and fourth respectively.

xinhui

Since folks don't like stats from China,
here is harvard's own fact book


http://vpf-web.harvard.edu/budget/fa...neFactbook.pdf

TopHatter

I was referring to the first part of his comment "I have noticed that generally Chinese from Hongkong universities fare much better than main land universities"

Zapfenstreich

I don't believe this story about being able to hack into the Pentagon. The US military uses the strongest encryptions possible, and these are virtually impossible to break unless the keys are stolen or 'bought' from a traitor. I think the latter would certainly be possible.

Officer of Engineers

Website. MILNET is an entirely different beast.

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kams

Guys,

My observations on Chinese Scientists is of very limited duration (3-4 years) and very small pool of scientists (15). Two of my colleagues who are from Hongkong have excellet communication skills as compared to mainland Chinese or those from Taiwan, which helps in climbing corporate ladder bit faster. Especially when you have to make frequent presentations top management (and projects frequently get secrewed up and you are trying to defend your work and couple of millions of Dollars down the drain. Hence I said they are doing better than those from mainland/Taiwan. Tomorrow I will ask my colleagues from Hongkong about their educational background and will post some details.


My apologies if what I intended to say didn't come out right in the previous post.

I am in Pharmaceutical field and due to some reason huge % of Pharma R&D scientists in USA are either from China or India. I also know what happend in India where for long govt. didn't allow product patents on pharmaceuticals.

Apart from that strict implementation of IP/Copyright laws will ultimately help in improving your own IP generation.

One more thing, a govt. edict on increasing number of publications/patents and output of Graduates/Ph D's will only lead to fraud. Look what happend in Pakistan.

One final word. For centuries China was known for innovations and inventions. It's real sad to see her now getting synonymous with imitation. Who is responsible for this state of affairs?

Bella

I've been thinking about this for a while. It's scary for people here in the U.S.
Currently, the U.S. has no need to hack into the Chinese military, or banks to upgrade our technology, or financial ability. As of right now, the U.S. military has the most advanced military in the world and is the richest country in the world. Though all of us might come from different places, or other countries, we are all human, and being human, when someone is better, or richer than you, jealousy drives us to get ahead.
In doing so that person, or "COUNTRY" will do anything to advance itself to be better.
Do I blame China for this...........? No.
It's human nature, but hacking into the civilian banking network to robb Americans of there hard earned money, "COULD" provoke something that would lead into a new type of war.

The only thing China is trying to do right now, is steal American technology because they know they can't compete with their own!

Thanks!!

TopHatter

Is that the "Pebbles Of Sand" approach that I've read about?

Could you elaborate a little on that, it sounds very interesting. Thanks.

xinhui

Back in late 1990s, there were a famous debate that took place in China within official publications, it goes something like this:

The reason China's economic reform worked has to do how low China had sunk during the Culture Revolution.

Imitation by itself is not a bad word in Pacific region, considered Japan imitated the west during the Meiji reformation. I remembered reading the same argument made by American who visited Japan in the 1920s. And, similar point was made by the Japanese against the Koreans in the 1970s, the Koreans against the Taiwanese in the 1980s

You are correct, the key is, can China improved upon copied ideas? As other stated once China reached a curtain level, we will know the answer. Given the resources that are put into R&D and the general improvement in basic education, and the impact of the returnee. Time will tell.

xinhui

Graduates/Ph D's will only lead to fraud.


funded mandate vs unfunded mandate.