lwarmonger

I was more under the impression that the ISI (think that is the acronym) was the most Islamized section of the military. From what I've read much of the rest seems to have a fairly western tradition.

Adux

lwarmonger,

You are a bit confused, Both Indian and Pakistani army follow Western (British) traditions but have fused it along with their own cultures. Pakistani army under Zia-ul haq changed into some Islamic nutjob one. The history textbooks taught to school kids would make you hang around your head with shame by the sheer atrocities committed to history by those very books.

Pakistani minority population declined from 14.2% of population to under 3% today. A person of non-islamic beliefs cannot hold positions of power in Pakistan, President of Pakistan can never be Hindu, Christain or Sikh. So any idea of relating pakistani parties to the word secular is an insult to countries like the US, India etc who have strong secular fabric and it means more than just a word!!!!

Adux

Can you tell me which, Benzair's party, PPPP. No it is not secular.

Cactus

How does the Pak Govt have so much pull with PCCW? Isn't such bullying normally done at national ISP offices? Or was the string tugged from Islamabad to Beijing and then down to Hong Kong? Anyway, accidental or not, it is a small but omnious sign of things to expect in the supposedly "free world" of Internet.

Parihaka

Hong Kong telecommunications, who are the main connection for Pakistan telecommunications.
The Pakistani's hijacked youtubes IP's and then passed on that hijack to PCCW. They didn't check what the Pakistani's were doing and passed on the hijack to the worlds other main suppliers. Read "trust issues"
PCCW had to shut down Pakistan's connection to the world in order to fix the problem.
They (PCCW) are very angry because
1) they were sucked in by the Pakistani's misusing a normal report procedure for what was probably malicious intent and
2) The rest of the world hubs are pissed with PCCW for not checking.

Neo

Great, another Pakistan bashing thread with shitty offtopic replies!
Welldone WAB, great way to educate your viewers!

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Parihaka

Oh don't be so grumpy Neo. You wanna put the record straight, post more

Lunatock

The fundoos who undoubtedly put propaganda videos up on YouTube are probably thinking that.

Neo

Sure, lets get straight! Would you allow me to post Anti-US stuff on this board without getting banned for starter?

Lunatock

Well in relative terms, you COULD take the side of the USMC haters in Berkely, Ca. and not get banned.

I for one would find it entertaining for Shek and the Bluesman's to go after you like they would.

Parihaka

Why not, we get plenty of it, and anti-British, and anti Russian, and anti(put country du jour here). Hell, we've even had a couple of anti-New Zealand, damn their eyes.
As usual, forum rules apply, expect to back your opinion with facts and expect heated debate in reply. You know the drill

Neo

I have no beef with either of them and enjoy mutual respect.

Sure it will be entertaining except for the fact that personally I don't have anti-American mentality and I would have to degrade myself to lowest level to actually post in such manner.

I tried to make a point, as a moderator I expect you to get the hint and do something about it.

Agnostic Muslim

The decision to ban U-Tube within Pakistan, as much as I disagree with it, is still the sovereign right of the Government of Pakistan. What would be wrong is if there was a deliberate GoP attempt to restrict u-Tube access to the rest of the world. At this point that is not clear, though some "network" in Pakistan is considered a source for the worldwide interruption - but still, deliberate intent has not been proved.

Cutting off "aid and funding" for Pakistan is your nation's sovereign right - write to your congressman/senator and complain instead of throwing a fit here - a lot of people in Pakistan would be quite happy with that. Its a minor amount compared the majority of the money the US has payed Pakistan out of the ten billion claimed transfers anyway - the majority being reimbursements for expenses incurred in the WoT.

There are quite a few historians, including a few Bangladeshis, who have rubbished the genocide claim. That atrocities were committed, by both sides, of that there is no doubt, and they are regretful.

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Parihaka

Neo, I'd put it at about the same level as the anti-US rhetoric regularly posted by the lesser posters over at defence.pk, and don't even get me started about India.
Like I say, you're welcome to refute what they say.

Agnostic Muslim

Every nation has its own version of how history played out. What specifically are you referring to in our history books, and neutral sources please.

What are the numbers you are referring to? Was this a result of the migration out of Pakistan and India at independence? If similar numbers migrated from/to both sides, then of course the percentage change in Pakistan, due to a much smaller population to begin with, would be vastly higher than the change in India.

Parihaka:

I think the issue is that almost every thread about Pakistan gets rubbish about "evil AQ sponsoring, Taliban creating, genocide committing, Nuke proliferating Pakistan" - Half Truth's and statements made out of context, ignorant of the complex geopolitical dynamics that have shaped Pakistan's history. You argue correctly that we should clear misperceptions, but its a little silly to have to do it over and over again on every single thread.

The thread is about the U-Tube block, there was no need for the rest of the nonsense thrown in.