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Old 01-19-2008, 08:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How to counter high oil prices?

With oil prices at record level, everyone is feeling the pinch. How can the oil prices be controlled? How to negotiate with the oil cartel in OPEC?
Why isnt oil traded like other products where you add profit on the cost of production instead of the system that is currently being followed?
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Old 01-19-2008, 15:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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With oil prices at record level, everyone is feeling the pinch. How can the oil prices be controlled?
By forming a monopolistic cartel that sets prices and production levels at whatever the cartel deems appropriate.

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How to negotiate with the oil cartel in OPEC?
Keep them supplied with arms, money, and protect their various countries from invasion by hostile neighbors. And hope that counts for something.

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Why isnt oil traded like other products where you add profit on the cost of production instead of the system that is currently being followed?
Because OPEC is a monopolistic cartel that sets prices and production levels at whatever the cartel deems appropriate.

I mean, you've kinda answered your own question.

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Old 01-19-2008, 15:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Also American speculators and oil majors are having a lot of fun.
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You do have some independent suppliers (well one independent supplier) that doesn't follow OPEC quotas.
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You do have some independent suppliers (well one independent supplier) that doesn't follow OPEC quotas.
sure there are, a piss in a sea at best,
there is nothing anyone, can do.
monopolistic cartel=opec.
we hooked on oil, those who make billions, will do everything not to loose them. i wonder why dept. of energy, interfears with alt energy research.
ppl have been killed, shops have been burned, if the reaserch was bogus, and useless, why doe even bothered? but they did, and will keep doing it.
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My solution is to use as much oil, as fast as possible so OPEC will run dry. Then we can sell OUR oil at the price of our choosing. If we conserve it just means OPEC gets to control us that much longer.
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My solution is to use as much oil, as fast as possible so OPEC will run dry. Then we can sell OUR oil at the price of our choosing. If we conserve it just means OPEC gets to control us that much longer.
Brilliant,simply brilliant .
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Brilliant,simply brilliant .
Except that the U.S. doesn't have the oil reserves to supply the world, and the world which will have been addicted to high oil spendings will be paralyzed, and in a state of deep economic recession. Even the U.S. economy will be hit hard.
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Doesn't Russia have enormous reserves of oil? Is she a part of OPEC? What about Canada's oil reserves in Alberta?
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Doesn't Russia have enormous reserves of oil? Is she a part of OPEC? What about Canada's oil reserves in Alberta?
aren,t those oil sands?
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Yes, but I believe crude oil can and is being extracted from them. As far as I know, it's harder to extract crude oil there than in the ME, but it is being done on a large scale.
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Except that the U.S. doesn't have the oil reserves to supply the world, and the world which will have been addicted to high oil spendings will be paralyzed, and in a state of deep economic recession. Even the U.S. economy will be hit hard.
Once again, price is a signal. As the price of oil increases, it provides the incentive for folks to switch to more fuel efficient cars, it provides the incentive for folks to pressure their Congressmen to ignore the NIMBY lobby and approve new nuke platns, it provides the incentive for oil companies to begin extracting oil from Canadian tar sands, it provides the incentive for private industry to commit more R&D to fuel cells, solar, wind, etc., etc., etc.

Oil will not run out, but as it becomes less cost effective, it will be phased out, replaced by newer and/or better fuels, some of which we can't even imagine today. Oil shocks may cause temporary recessions, but a tightening supply will not cause some "deep economic recession." Prices will do their job, signalling that consumers should decrease their demand and instead substitute away from oil.
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Except that the U.S. doesn't have the oil reserves to supply the world, and the world which will have been addicted to high oil spendings will be paralyzed, and in a state of deep economic recession. Even the U.S. economy will be hit hard.

Thats what we are led to believe. I think there are huge areas of untapped oil which the US is not exploring right now. Alaskan oil reserves will probably match that of Saudi. The US wont admit as much right now. Once all the middle east oil runs out then they will dictate.
Alternative fuel is the way out but I guess none can match the power,efficiency and the ease of using oil. And its hurting right now as over here where i live, we pay an equivalent of $6.5 for a gallon. Ouch!!!
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Coal coal coal coal coal. Yummy coal. And we have most of it. Mmmmmm...

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Coal coal coal coal coal. Yummy coal. And we have most of it. Mmmmmm...

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