Ray

This is not from my post.

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I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

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Big K

sorry my fault this question was not for you sir i beg you pardon...

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Trooth

I consider any group whose stated aim is to either subjugate me or collect protection money if i manage to resist an enemy. Of course, as would you.

However that is Islamism, not Islam. That is the aim of Islamists, not muslims.

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Bluesman

That distinction is a bit too fine for me, as it IS their doctrine and dogma.

Look it up; it's in their Big Green Book of Mind Control.

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Parihaka

I'm all for redefining our language in the war on terror.
I don't regard all of Islam as a significant threat to the west, and if the way we use our language to define our enemies can be defined in a way that excludes the bulk of Muslims (who are after all simply bloody-minded people just like us who at core simply wish to get on with their lives and raise their kids) from the war on terror, then that is fine by me.
I don't really regard Islam as a religion, but more as a political theology that has co-opted an existent religion as a means of political and philosophical control.
We won't see a blanket denial of the terrorists from Islam because unlike western religions there is no head, no leader, no central authority who has the overall leadership to make such a statement.

Nor do I see the terrorists as the greatest threat to western civilisation. While horrific, the terrorist attacks on the west are, when viewed as a whole, nothing more than a rat bite on the arse of the west.
What is the greatest threat to the west is the development of 'western liberalism', a movement that is so far removed from the original concept of liberalism that it has become the opposite of the original ideals.
It is a movement that regards any of our own governments as by definition corrupt: that anything associated with the west is evil, and yet is a movement totally prepared to treat any evil outside the west through moral equivalency, that is we can't make a moral judgment because of our own evil.

So to deal with that rat bite is a relatively easy issue. We can take antibiotics to counter any infection from the bite, and we can identify the rat and squash it flat, but we need the actual will to do so.
Using language to accurately define and find that rat, instead of killing all small furry rodents is a good idea.

Using language to pretend the rat and it's infections don't exist, or taking no actions against it because we bite things too, is stupidity.

So while I'd categorise this blog in the former category, I'd place Jacqui Smith's comments in the latter.

Trooth

I need a distinction and the above one suffices. Otherwise i foresee McCarthism spreadings it's tendrils.

Big K

so this is means that you are seeing Islam as an enemy?

Big K

PArihaka,

this is a good point i think...

Trooth

It is, except that International Terrorism has been going on a lot longer than 6 years. I have lived all my life under the threat of some loon blowing me up.

dave lukins

Tell me about it!! I have been blown up, and in a vehicle that was machine gunned, and a few other "incidents" nearly spoiled my weekend

entropy

Newspeak, newspeak, newspeak all the way!

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glyn

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dalem

Sure, it's been going on a long time, but this time the nest is not inaccessible or purely amorphous. It's real and we can get to the source of this strain for a bit longer.

-dale

Bluesman

It sees ME as an enemy. As a Muslim, do you believe what the Koran orders you to treat me differently than a fellow Muslim? Sure reads that way to me.

Do you believe women are inferior to and subordinate to men, essentially property to her guardian?

Do you believe your god wants you to kill me if I slander him or his prophet?

If all of that and a whole lot more wasn't in your book, which you're not allowed to deviate from nor alter in any way, I would not see any but the Muslim 'apostates' as enemies. But it DOES, so what am I to say when you ask me if Islam is my enemy? You're not my enemy until you attempt to subjugate or harm me. But that's exactly what your dogma tells you to do, and I have to treat you with some caution, lest you act as you're obliged to do under that belief system.

Stan187

Bluesman, Islam would likely direct you to kill a person if you slandered God or the the prophet regardless of that person believed, even if the person claimed to be a Muslim. Besides, I don't think you have to worry about that clause anyhow, for I've never gotten the indication that you are one to slander anyone's dieties or prophets.

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