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Old 12-31-2007, 08:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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MP3 Player Preloaded With Porn

I dont even know what to say about this and how enraged I would be had I been the one to have bought this for my daughter.

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COOKEVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- A father gave his 10-year-old daughter a Christmas present that would make Santa blush.

Now Daryl Hill wants to know why an MP3 video player he bought at a Wal-Mart in Sparta was preloaded with pornography and explicit songs.

Hill bought three of the players as Christmas presents for his children. He said one of the devices had apparently been returned to the store from a previous owner who loaded sex clips and songs with lyrics about using drugs.

"Within 10 minutes, my daughter was crying," Hill said Thursday. "I wish I could take the thoughts and images out of her head."

Hill questioned why Wal-Mart Stores Inc. would sell used merchandise as new, which he said violates its own policies.

A company spokesman said in an e-mail to WSMV-TV of Nashville that stores are not supposed to return opened packages to the sales floor and that the matter was under investigation.

Hill said he declined Wal-Mart's offer to replace the MP3 player. He said he has already bought his daughter a new one and is hanging onto the controversial one until he talks to a lawyer.
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Old 12-31-2007, 09:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Legal restitution

He said he has already bought his daughter a new one and is hanging onto the controversial one until he talks to a lawyer.

And there you have the American Way-- get a lawyer, sue and drag the case thru the legal system. Make sure everyday that goes by in this 10 year olds life is reminded of the incident. I'd be ticked off but I doubt I would take legal action.

Wal Mart was probably negligent and the employee who put it back on the shelf for resale was most likely a seasonal, part time employee with no clue.

Free MP3 players for life, free downloads, stock options, college tutition... What would be proper restitution?
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:59 AM   #3 (permalink)
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He said he has already bought his daughter a new one and is hanging onto the controversial one until he talks to a lawyer.

And there you have the American Way-- get a lawyer, sue and drag the case thru the legal system. Make sure everyday that goes by in this 10 year olds life is reminded of the incident. I'd be ticked off but I doubt I would take legal action.
I think there are two issues here that require the services of a lawyer. First is the criminal. Is Walmart involved in the distribution of pornography to minors? That needs to be dealt with. And, lawyers are the people in society that we turn to for dealing with criminal matters.

Second is the civil issue of selling used merchandise as new. Different states have different laws on this, and lawyers are qualified by training to tell people what the law is. Seems reasonable to consult a lawyer. Perhaps you would consult a plumber?
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Old 12-31-2007, 12:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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i,ve heard stories, ppl bought i pods, and there were rocks in the box, and it wasn,t once.
at least he got the player.
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Old 12-31-2007, 13:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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i,ve heard stories, ppl bought i pods, and there were rocks in the box, and it wasn,t once.
at least he got the player.
My previous workplace dealed with electronics and we had one time a JVC camcorder that ( in original package ) had camcorder replaced with a rock and Coke bottle half-filled with water . The weight differed from orig. weight 20 grams !
Also one Sony TV set had a pornographic magazine stuffed inside the box , under styrofoam .
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Old 12-31-2007, 14:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think there are two issues here that require the services of a lawyer. First is the criminal. Is Walmart involved in the distribution of pornography to minors? That needs to be dealt with. And, lawyers are the people in society that we turn to for dealing with criminal matters.
no case here, it wasn,t done by wamart, and walmart had no knowlege of content.
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Old 12-31-2007, 17:24 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It is against the law to sell something used or returned as new. The returned or used merchandise has to be clearly marked as such. This part is a criminal case. Walmart violated a law.

The parent should sue. I don't think he should get something outrageous like $ millions as restitution. But something reasonable like a public apology and a present for the girl.

These lawsuits keep big businesses honest because they don't want the negative publicity and the hassle.
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Old 01-01-2008, 09:52 AM   #8 (permalink)
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But Omon, in response to
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Wal-Mart was the one selling it...they had the responsibility to know that it was blank. Just like car dealers are not suppose to knowingly sell a car and say it has never been in an accident if they know it has been, Wal Mart cannot knowingly sell an item if they know it has been returned and since someone at Wal-Mart took the return back in, then someone knew it was returned. Wal Mart is responsible for their employees actions while they are working, so Wal Mart IS responsible for this. It is not as though this came from the manufacturer like this.

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many stores charge a restocking fee for opened merchandise, even if it has never been used and is still in the original packaging (especially electronic stores) and this is why. They have to sell that as "open-box" merchandise, so the store loses money.

What Wal-Mart did was, most likely, against the law. Since I am not familiar with the laws in that area, I cannot say for 100% certain, but I would be willing to bet that they have the same law.

As for it being a temporary or seasonal employee that put the MP3 player back on the shelf...that should not matter. They should have had better training. How hard is it to tell the person at the customer service desk not to put returned merchandise back on the shelf as new?

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Tell me, what would be proper restitution for someone showing YOUR 10yo daughter porn? Are you saying that if someone were to come in your house and start playing a Debbie Does Somewhere movie...you'd be okay with that? Cuz I dont know that I can tell ya' what I'd do to the person if it were MY daughter.

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All I can say is........ whooops!!!
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As for proper restitution, Desdemona

Tell me, what would be proper restitution for someone showing YOUR 10yo daughter porn? Are you saying that if someone were to come in your house and start playing a Debbie Does Somewhere movie...you'd be okay with that? Cuz I dont know that I can tell ya' what I'd do to the person if it were MY daughter.

Well its not something that is going to scar her for life. And its probably something that she will have forgotten in a few months. If the parents don't make a big deal out of it. Now with them having her relive this incident for news reports, lawyer depositions and possibly a trial. It probably will have a big impact on her in the future. (Way to go Dad)

She wasn't force fed hours of porn. She had the thing for maybe 10 mins of flipping through songs and pics.

I would like to know what the songs with lyrics about using drugs were. According to a study by the American Public Health Association back in Nov
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One of every three songs contained some reference to substance abuse, said the leader of the study, physician Brian Primack.
Different genres produced different results, he said. Rap was the biggest offender: 86 percent of the songs contained a reference to drugs or alcohol. So did 37 percent of country songs. Pop music came in last, with only 12 percent mentioning alcohol, drugs or tobacco.
So that could be just about any.

I don't know who the APHA is or what their agenda or methodology was for this study.


So give the family twice the cost of the I-Pod as a wally-world gift card or music downloads for her new I-pod.

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Just found this story. How about this as a gift?


MyFox Atlanta | An Arizona Woman Accidently Receives Someone's Urn

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Wal-Mart was the one selling it...they had the responsibility to know that it was blank. Just like car dealers are not suppose to knowingly sell a car and say it has never been in an accident if they know it has been, Wal Mart cannot knowingly sell an item if they know it has been returned and since someone at Wal-Mart took the return back in, then someone knew it was returned. Wal Mart is responsible for their employees actions while they are working, so Wal Mart IS responsible for this. It is not as though this came from the manufacturer like this.
i agree walmart is responsible, neglegence, selling returned item as new....ect.
but it isn,t like they loaded porn on purpose, or knowingly sold porn,
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I think I was about seven or eight when I first saw porn - specifically, a not-so-secret stash of my brother's under the bed mattress - and I reckon I turned out alri-

Oh, hang on, I see your point. Burn the scumbags!
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Is it bad if this made me giggle just a tiny bit? And I do agree, a few minutes of accidental porn viewing, properly put into context by a parent, and, as Gun Grape said, NOT blown out of proportion, are unlikely to seriously harm a child.

Unfortunately, it seems Dad is following that grand old American tradition of shrieking victimhood in the hopes of a big pay day.
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I think I was about seven or eight when I first saw porn - specifically, a not-so-secret stash of my brother's under the bed mattress - and I reckon I turned out alri-

Oh, hang on, I see your point. Burn the scumbags!
I dont know how old I was the first time I caught a glimpse. I only remember that my uncle (who was suppose to be watching me at the time) sent me downstairs to play and I snuck back up to see why I had to go to the basement. I watched only long enough to find out that the woman was in the hospital and someone had brought her a fruit basket. I do remember wondering why she would do that with a banana.

(I swear to Buddha!! True hospital bed and banana story!!)
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Your uncle wasn't gambling on the 'youngster's curiosity' factor.

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Is it bad if this made me giggle just a tiny bit? And I do agree, a few minutes of accidental porn viewing, properly put into context by a parent,
Depends what type of porn. Reminds me of a South Park episode which went something like this:

Randy: When a man and a woman love each other very much...
Token: Is it love when a woman has 4 [...guess] in her and some guy is doing a number 2 on her face...
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