Parihaka

How much of the news censorship that Musharraf imposed a couple of months ago still in place Neo?

Neo

Sir,

The news is all over the channels in the country with limited photo coverage. Censorship was aimed at particular station called GEO TV which was taken out of the air.
Some restriction are still intact, there's a curb on photo coverage for private channels which is only telivised by state owned PTV.

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omon

i wonder, if internet makes news sencorship, more and more useless.

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Parihaka

Thanks Neo and there's no need to call me sir. It's always hard to judge the extent of such things from an outsiders perspective.

Neo

Old habbit Sir, I grew up in a military boarding school, lol.
My grand father was a doctor in British Indian Army, his father served as interpretor for both the Crown aswell as the military. I was sent to a Military Boarding School aged 4.

Parihaka

My sum total military experience (apart from listening in quietly to my father and grandfathers) was two weeks per year at school where we got to march around the sports fields and fire ex WWII lee-enfields at a dirt bank. At the end of the two weeks someone from the Army would come and blow up something (one year a dead cow ) and then we'd get on with life. I did learn morse code though, now forgotten.

Capt Bluesman

I wonder if she will become more of a force for freedom and democracy in death than she ever could have in life. Percieved matyrdom can be quite compelling. A live human is vulnerable to mistakes, corruption, etc, while a martyr can be built up into a legendary rallying point. It will be quite interesting to see how her legacy develops.

Silent Hunter

Stay safe, Neo.

Bluesman

We are discussing this subject in earnest at work, RIGHT NOW. We're briefing the commander in an hour, and we have a hole in our knowledge base:

I need from an AUTHORITATIVE source, some data and general impressions on the NEW Army Chief, Kiyani. Anybody? Whatever help you can provide - and the source of your information - would be appreciated. Your general impressions, if they're from a ground-eye view, IS VALID, so don't be afraid to throw out an opinion, as long as you tell me that's what it is.

I'm on a short timeline here...

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Bluesman

We were JUST NOW saying the same thing. I think the PPP just got an immense boost, even while they just sucked up an enormous punch in the political solar plexus. They may end up winning with an aQ 'own-goal'.

dave lukins

The rise of Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kayani through the ranks of the Pakistani military has been rapid if not extraordinary.

The man nominated by Gen Musharraf to be his replacement as army chief is noted for his patience, diligence, intelligence and sheer determination.

Another contributing factor has been his ability to keep a low profile when necessary while also being able to take decisive action when it's needed.

Gen Kayani's clan is one of the largest and most powerful in the northern Jhelum area of Pakistan's largest province, Punjab.

The harsh and arid region is famed throughout the subcontinent for only one product - soldiers.

So in many ways Gen Kayani was born to the job.

Passion for golf

He initially studied at the local cadet college in Jhelum, and was subsequently accepted at the army's military academy in the northern town of Kakul.

In August 1971 he was commissioned as a second lieutenant, and joined the famed Baloch regiment.


The general is respected within the army

He joined up in time to experience the military defeat to India of the same year.

His first taste of politics came when he served as deputy military secretary to Benazir Bhutto in her first government in 1988.

Since then he has served at various levels of command.

He is a graduate of army colleges in Quetta and Islamabad, and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth in the US.

Married with two children, Gen Kayani is president of the Pakistan Golf Association and an avid golfer.

He is respected in the army as a professional soldier who deliberately keeps a low profile.

Crisis management

This is in sharp contrast to the man he has been chosen to replace - Pervez Musharraf.

But maintaining a low profile has not meant that Gen Kayani has shied away from high-profile assignments.

He has a "can-do" image as a man who gets things done.

Gen Kayani has never been seen a part of President Musharraf's inner circle. But the president has always turned to him when the going gets tough.

It was Gen Kayani who oversaw the investigation into attempts to assassinate President Musharraf in December 2003.

As one of the army's senior most officers, Gen Kayani could confidently expect to take the top job


In his book, In the Line of Fire, President Musharraf writes how the investigations into the attacks initially ran into problems because of inter-agency rivalries.

"But these disappeared when I appointed Kayani in charge of investigations," the president wrote.

Observers believe that it was from this time onwards that Gen Musharraf started to rely heavily on Gen Kayani for crisis management.

But insiders say it was actually the winter of 2001-2002 that showcased Gen Kayani's abilities.

Stand-off

At that time he was serving as Director-General Military Operations (DGMO) - the army's operational commander.

As Pakistan's relations with India deteriorated, militants staged a deadly attack on the Indian parliament.

Delhi blamed it on the Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Toiba, and mobilised its army to take action. Soon the two nuclear-armed neighbours were dug in opposite each other along their 1,500km border.


Gen Musharraf has come to rely on Gen Kiani

Tempers were running high and a single aggressive movement could have sparked conflict. During this time, Maj Gen Ashfaq Kayani was in charge of all troop movements.

Insiders say it was his expert handling of the situation, and his constant contact with the Indian command that kept the eight-month stand-off from becoming an outright war.

It also brought him to the attention of Gen Musharraf. Subsequently, Gen Kayani was promoted to command the army's elite 10 Corps based in Rawalpindi.

When the attacks on President Musharraf took place in the city, Gen Kayani was the natural choice for the job of finding out who was behind them. The investigations led to a secret military tribunal convicting 11 men of planning and carrying out the attacks.

'Own man'

Soon after, he was made the head of Pakistan's powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency. In March 2007, he was part of the infamous "tribunal" of intelligence chiefs who met Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry the day before his suspension by President Musharraf.



Gen Kiani in his younger days

He was later named as the only one who sat silently through the entire episode.

Gen Kayani was also the only official at the meeting who did not submit an affidavit against the chief justice.

President Musharraf's botched attempt to sack the judge triggered a political storm which led to deals with former prime ministers, Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif.


Gen Kayani was instrumental in making both these deals possible .


But while helping his "mentor", he has remained very much aloof from the increased political wrangling as elections approach.


As one of the army's most senior officers, Gen Kayani could confidently expect to take the top job. But because he was head of the controversial and shadowy ISI, some felt that he had disqualified himself from further promotion.

No ISI chief has ever been appointed commander of Pakistan's army. The agency's dealings have often been at odds with the policy of the government of the day.

Some observers had also contended that Gen Kayani was too much "his own man" for Gen Musharraf to place faith in him.

But Gen Musharraf chose to ignore these doubters when naming his successor in early October.

Now, two months later, on 28 November 2007, Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani has assumed charge of what is the most powerful office in the country.

The 14th chief of Pakistan's army has his work cut out, with militants challenging the power of his institution, whose morale is at an all time low.

How he, and his army, copes with the situation could well be a defining moment in Pakistan's history.

dalem

Random thoughts:

- Musharref is Effed if he postpones, Effed if he holds scheduled elections and wins. But he doesn't seem the type to play to lose.

- Can the PPP pull it out and beat Musharref in the scheduled election?

- Is it a Good Thing if they do?

- Part of me is thinking "better Pakistani chaos today than in 5 years" - how stupid is this thought?

- I really really really really hate AQ and want them all dead.

-dale

smilingassassin

Now if only we could go all in into Pakistan, with Pakistani forces and do away with AQ and al their radical supporters.

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Khan_Han

I unfortunately hear the bells of a civil war ringing...This could potentially escalate into a Shia and Sunni war in Pakistan, leading to more regional instability. Also, when I consider that such region has Nukes, I fear for the safety of all of humanity. People with Mania and a total disregard for human life should not be in Nuclear countries!

Blademaster

One of your best bet is to visit BR and use the search feature and search on Kiyani. Besides the jingiosm, BR is pretty well covered on Pakistan.