Ray

Irresponsible parenting!

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Gun Grape

Thanks

It may seem weird but I've actually thought about starting drinking around the house again.

I don't miss the booze. My son has been to his friends houses where the father drinks. Unfortunately it seems that around here, Dads get drunk, yell at the wife and end up passed out in front of the T.V.. Needless to say "and then my son never goes to their house again."

But he is getting close to the age where he will be tempted to (and will) drink. I'm wondering if, instead of the lecturing that he won't listen to anyway, If I should show him what it means to drink responsibly?

Anyone have any thoughts on that?

Expat Canuck

Lead by example, works like a charm.

bonehead

Meth is a huge problem in my state. As of now only about 10-15% of users follow your road. The rest have messed themselves up, their families are torn and their communities are wrecked. Meth has its hold on violent crime and theft,(prisons are full of meth junkies who never will amount to much) and per capita, meth is twice the monster alcohol ever was. I am not defending alcohol, but there really is no comparison for the two. If you want to get wasted then fine. Meth is a horrible choice. In fact, it is about the worse drug imaginable to put into your body. I know many people who fought addictions to alcohol, weed, prescription drugs and even cocaine. Some are now CEO's of companies, in short, they got their life back. Now lets look at the general meth addict. Rotting teeth, organ damage, brain damage, diminished mental capacity, mental disorders, etc. They will never get the life they were once capable of. The quickest way to hit rock bottom and stay there is to abuse meth. No other drug comes close.

Please. Don't bother with the tired old, "users have self control drivel." I have counseled addicts in the past so I have heard this justification, and many more, countless times. Your not kidding anyone, least of all me.

Finally, I never said to go after the addicts, with few exceptions, they end up going on some crime spree and end up getting caught. I am advocating going after the pushers/dealers and the smugglers. They know what they are doing is wrong/illegal. The public knows dealing is wrong and so do the authorities. Lately meth dealers have been mixing meth with cool-aid and are targeting young children. I see this offense similar to murdering/raping these children outright, and I take the defense of my children and my community seriously. For the damage a dealer does to the community, he does not deserve housing and meals in a prison. A meth dealer/smuggler deserves nothing more than a tall tree and a short rope.

TopHatter

Of course not. Somebody who is constantly junked up on something is usually incapable of any rational emotion.

I'd say she's an evil person for deciding to do drugs while having several children in her care.

I don't doubt that. Look at Fergie of the Black Eyed Peas.

You're assuming she'll get off that sh-t. If she does, then you are correct

I don't have a clue either, though I know of a few ideas that are worth trying. How about far harsher sentencing for dealers and the death penalty to the scumbags running the labs?

I also don't buy your comparison to liquor, but Bonehead answered that far better than I ever could.

I'm glad to know you got free from Meth.

But like Bonehead also said, you're in the strong minority.

bonehead

By regulating ingredients in the state, along with some aggressive policing of one's own private land, the labs in Oregon have been pretty much closed down. Unfortunately meth is even more prevalent as it is now being smuggled from Mexico through our laughingstock southern border.

Expat Canuck

Or lots and lots from Canada.

Death penalty doesn't work either, look at Asia.

Capt Bluesman

It's hard for me to call this woman evil. Sad and pathetic, definitely. Irredeemable? Maybe. She should certianly have all children removed from her custody, and I don't have a problem with court-ordered sterilization at all. She has clearly demonstrated that she is unable to perform the most basic of parenting tasks, and in my world would never be trusted to be responsible for children again, no matter what changes she makes in her life.

Feanor

From personal experience, my parents were against me drinking, but my grandfather didn't care and he'd drink with me, which is where I learned that I have a limit and crossing it is not smart I think that letting children drink, even at a relatively early age, is not as big of an issue as making sure that they drink responsibly.

entropy

In Singapore it works quite well.

But they have the canings as well.

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jame$thegreat

The real question is which is worse? I support caning but from what I've read it's a tortuous experience.

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entropy

Torturous?

Excellent!