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Old 12-07-2007, 07:09 AM   #61 (permalink)
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That statement does you credit. I believe that most people are basically good. I also believe that there are truly evil people but that they are few and far between. The Democrats I not so sure of.
Good and evil are subjective. What's good for one person is evil for another. Morals also somewhat vary especially on sensetive issues. (damnit how do you spell sensetive?) Realistically all people are just human. Good or evil acts depend on circumstances, upbringing, character, etc.
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Old 12-07-2007, 14:50 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Good and evil are subjective. What's good for one person is evil for another. Morals also somewhat vary especially on sensetive issues. (damnit how do you spell sensetive?) Realistically all people are just human. Good or evil acts depend on circumstances, upbringing, character, etc.
Really? There are no universal evils? No universal goods?

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Old 12-07-2007, 15:16 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Old 12-07-2007, 15:16 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Good and evil are subjective. What's good for one person is evil for another. Morals also somewhat vary especially on sensetive issues. (damnit how do you spell sensetive?) Realistically all people are just human. Good or evil acts depend on circumstances, upbringing, character, etc.


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Old 12-07-2007, 15:35 PM   #65 (permalink)
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i would think twice or more how to pull a gun in a situation like that, ppl will most likely think you are with the shooter, start panicing even more, and spooke the shooter, than it will be much harder to get a clear shot, not to mention cops might think you are another bad guy, as for ricochet, i,d be more worried about bullets killing someone behind a wall, everything is made of sheetrock these days, i can punch thru it, with my bare hands, for a bullet it isn,t even an obsticle.
imo every ccw shold come with a badge of some sort, that would at least show ppl you pulling a gun for a reason, and present no danger to them, of course when you show it, depends on a situation.
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Old 12-07-2007, 17:23 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Yuk. Too dark and urpy. I have cans of the stuff in the fridge for friends, but I never touch the stuff.

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Old 12-07-2007, 17:36 PM   #67 (permalink)
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i would think twice or more how to pull a gun in a situation like that, ppl will most likely think you are with the shooter, start panicing even more, and spooke the shooter, than it will be much harder to get a clear shot, not to mention cops might think you are another bad guy, as for ricochet, i,d be more worried about bullets killing someone behind a wall, everything is made of sheetrock these days, i can punch thru it, with my bare hands, for a bullet it isn,t even an obsticle.
imo every ccw shold come with a badge of some sort, that would at least show ppl you pulling a gun for a reason, and present no danger to them, of course when you show it, depends on a situation.
Don't get the wrong idea about CCW. Having a permit to carry a gun does not alter anything else about you, the law, or the world around you.

It does NOT give you any law enforcement powers.

It does NOT absolve you from laws concerning brandishment, reckless endangerment, or the like.

It does NOT grant you super powers, most specifically the TV/movie super powers that allow normal people under stress to hit the correct man-sized targets with dinky little handguns from more than ten feet away.

It does NOT turn normal everyday public places into shooting lanes clear of all people.

Now, all that said, I personally think that a couple of men with guns (or throwing hatchets, or longbows, or swords, or kung-fu, or loud voices) would have made a huge difference in the outcome. But we don't encourage such things in our society anymore - we're supposed to cower and wait for help.

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Old 12-07-2007, 18:52 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Now, all that said, I personally think that a couple of men with guns (or throwing hatchets, or longbows, or swords, or kung-fu, or loud voices) would have made a huge difference in the outcome. But we don't encourage such things in our society anymore - we're supposed to cower and wait for help.

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Yes, SIR!--I agree that someone, ANYONE, taking bold action in such a circumstance can make a difference in the positive. & sadly, Yes, SIR!--why is it that folks think the people who died trying to regain control of flight 93 were such heroes? Sure, I also believe they were also. BUT...I wish more Americans would stop thinking "someone else will fix this for me." I'm attempting to correct this deficient behavior, with my own kids, at least.

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Good and evil are subjective. What's good for one person is evil for another. Morals also somewhat vary especially on sensetive issues. (damnit how do you spell sensetive?) Realistically all people are just human. Good or evil acts depend on circumstances, upbringing, character, etc.
Most good and evil are subjective. However there are some universal and absolute good and evil.

Respect for life is a universal good.

Tearing someone's fingers off one at a time to inflict pain for no other purpose is evil.

Then we have stuff in between like stealing, stealing from the rich, stealing from the rich to feed the poor, and stealing from the rich to feed your own starving family.
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Old 12-07-2007, 20:45 PM   #70 (permalink)
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ChrisF202, I never denied that OZZ is free of crime but atleast we have gun control after the "Port Arthur" incident and also never happy with the crimes that are commited here or for that matter any where in the world in any form. Anyways there is no point in continuing this topic as most of members either think that killing is ok, or justifying the killing or take pride is telling how to shoot a person who is hiding behind a wall. But I for one will always oppose.

I hope this topic ends here and one last word for dalem, language or grammer has got nothing to do with expressing one's view/opinion (wonder whats u r educational background is?)

You can shove that sh|t right up your ass. I live in Melbourne and some prick just shot three people a couple of months ago killing a father of three.

Australias biggest hero is a cop killing murderer. I know everyone loves Ned Kelly and it is a cool movie but the truth is far more ugly. This is Australian culure that you should perhaps not be so proud of but you are. I have another one, Chopper Ried. I met him; seems to be a nice guy for a murdering gun toting SOB anyway.

Get off your high horse you uneducated dipshit.
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Old 12-07-2007, 21:05 PM   #71 (permalink)
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You can shove that sh|t right up your ass. I live in Melbourne and some prick just shot three people a couple of months ago killing a father of three.
What? That's impossible. I thought guns are banned in Australia. How can there be shooting if guns are banned? Maybe the banning doesn't go far enough. I bet if the ban is stronger they'll have fewer shootings.

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Australias biggest hero is a cop killing murderer. I know everyone loves Ned Kelly and it is a cool movie but the truth is far more ugly. This is Australian culure that you should perhaps not be so proud of but you are. I have another one, Chopper Ried. I met him; seems to be a nice guy for a murdering gun toting SOB anyway.
Look up Mumia Abu Jamal. He's the hero of the radical left. A convicted cop killer who has lost appeal after appeal.
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Ouch, that dude is a coward. He shot a man in the back......
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You can shove that sh|t right up your ass. I live in Melbourne and some prick just shot three people a couple of months ago killing a father of three.

Australias biggest hero is a cop killing murderer. I know everyone loves Ned Kelly and it is a cool movie but the truth is far more ugly. This is Australian culure that you should perhaps not be so proud of but you are. I have another one, Chopper Ried. I met him; seems to be a nice guy for a murdering gun toting SOB anyway.

Get off your high horse you uneducated dipshit.
Its not just Australia ... here in the US a very popular liberal cause is freeing the cop killer scumbag Mumia abu Jamal who they claim is a "political prisoner" when in reality he was sent to prison for gunning down Philadelphia PD Officer Daniel Faulkner in 1981 because Faulkner had wrote his brother a traffic ticket.

And of course in modern culture the cops are always seen as the bad guys in almost every movie, song, music video, etc. They are always corrupt, racist, etc. We may not have that traditional mistrust of authority like Australia but as the older generations die off and are replaced by idiots brought up listening to rappers go on and on about killing cops and how cops are evil then I would imagine that we get a similar attitude. Even the news media is very anti police.
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Really? There are no universal evils? No universal goods?

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I don't think there are.

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Respect for life is a universal good.

Tearing someone's fingers off one at a time to inflict pain for no other purpose is evil.
There's some people whose fingers I wouldn't mind tearing off one by one, followed by their head.
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I don't think there are.
So, someone could rape an infant to death in front of you and you'd be okay with it?

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