WebMister

Hindus attacked a TV channel office to protest the marraige of a Hindu Girl with a Muslim boy. They thought the channel was denigrating Hinduism by promoting love between people from different religions.
Marriage outside ones own caste, religion and background is frowned upon in much of officially secular, Hindu-dominated India. Romantic liaisons between Hindus and Muslims have sparked riots.

Star TV office damaged-India-NEWS-The Times of India

Zee News - Fanatics attack Star TV, storm Shilpa’s press meet

Ray

How cute!

Sharmila Tagore (high caste Brahmin) married Nawab of Pataudi.

Indira Gandhi (Prime Minister of India and a high caste Brahmin) married a Parsi!

Ali Yauwar Jung married a Hindu.

And like that many have married.

My son in law's uncle married a Moslem and that too and Indonesian! And converted!

So, should all Indians have a permanent frown!

India is quite secular I assure you.

It is so secular that it amended its CONSTITUTION to appease the Moslem! Sano Bano case!

What more do you want?

The country change to Islam?

What's your agenda?

Tell me, sweetheart, which country in the world apart from India can boast of being so secular and freewheeling that it changes its COSTITUTION to appease the Moslems!!!!!!!!

Not even the paragon of virtues, as claimed by some of the posters - USA!!!!!

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texasjohn

Ray,

It does not look like the cops did anything at all! Have these guys been arrested for arson, and if not, why not?

I am under the impression that rule of law is enforced in India.

WebMister

In 2002, more than 2000 people were burnt and raped on the streets and not a single person has been prosecuted. And as with other frequently occurring Genocides and Pogroms, there was involvement of state government.

Ray

Genocide and Progroms?

Do you understand all that or are you trying to be slick?

Are the sectarian violences in Pakistan also genocide and progroms?

Heard of the latest in NWFP?

Not a single person prosecuted?

Heard about the Inspector of General of Police's son being jailed for rape?

In Pakistan such a thing would never come to pass. Example: the rape of the lady doctor by the Army officer in Balochistan. Instead, she was hounded by the govt.

Law in India is slow because unlike Pakistan where the Chief Justice can be collared and turfed out or rape victims require for male witnesses to say that they have seen the rape and then prove they are pious blokes too, in India there are many courts of appeal. That is because of the conscience of man which says that let 99 go free but not one be convicted who is not guilty!

But alas in Pakistan, Law is "Thus Spake the General"!

Our Generals fortunately still follow the British traditions of being apolitical and thank heavens for that!

YellowFever

Relax, Ray.

It's just a story that happened in India.

There are stories good and bad that make each country look good or bad and you are bound to find many of them posted on WAB.

However, you asked WebMister what his agenda is.

The reason I sometimes have a problem with you and want to ask you what YOUR agenda is is because you have yet to copy and paste ANYTHING positive about Bush or america in general while one thread starts that copies/pastes something negative that makes India look bad and you jump all over the person that does it.

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gunnut

We don't change our constitution for any religion. It says so in our constitution.

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gunnut

So you're gonna tell me that muslims are being repressed in India?

Forgive me, but muslims don't have a good track record as far as being tolerant to other people and religion.

omon

stalin used to say, it is better to kill 10 inocent, than let 1 guilty slip away. and he did.

chankya

Actually the cops arrested the guy later because she was a minor.

And as I understand it the police has detained 20 odd chaps for the violence.

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chankya

You're in line for the "Understatement of the decade" award.

Ray

That is because you have an agenda to feel I have an agenda against Bush.

To correct you, I have no agenda against Bush. I don't support the Iraq War that is all. Further, if you cared to read beyond your agenda, you would realise that I have always stated and explained that Iraq was important for the US from the point of view of geostrategy and very aptly enunciated by Cheney in his Defence Policy Guidelines and the National Energy document.

The only thing that jars is the claptrap about all this Morality and bogus sloganeering on Freedom and Democracy that prompted and forced US onto Iraq. That is all balls (forgive me for the word). It is GEOSTRATEGY and nothing else! And there is nothing wrong in doing so.


Cut and Paste is all what I can do with news reported in the media. Unless you expect me to manufacture news! I am no 'The Almighty' (Irving Wallace). I leave the field to manufacturing of news entirely to you!

If you cared to read my posts in the South Asian forum, I have no qualms in taking on India too on issues I feel incorrect. Please dig that sub forum and have a look before you come all guns blazing!

Even on this issue, one can put the facts and lets debate. I have no qualms. If India is wrong, then she is wrong. Just too bad. Is it so the case here? If so, go ahead and show it.

My answer was to:

Anything wrong in showing how Moslem and Hindus have intermarried?

Is that an agenda?

I counter-question you - what is YOUR agenda?

Added:

I am on record debunking all this humbug about India attaining superpower status right around the corner. I am a pragmatist and not an emotional jingo or a bootlicker to please the audience majority!

Archer

Its pretty funny actually- pardon me RayC, since I have a few pegs under my belt- but its quite obvious that RayC wants the "real scoop" from the Americans themselves so he posts the articles. If one was really uninterested or just generally PO'ed off- he wouldnt bother to ask. I think most of us Indians (speaking for myself here) have very high expectations of the US and expect it to live upto it. Blame Hollywood, Readers Digest and "soft power" plus all the sloganeering by the US itself.

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Archer

The basic problem is the widespread perception in India that women are being converted on intent via marriage. When I was in the North, in one of the "cowbelt states"- this was an actual problem and I know of three women who eloped and converted to Islam, one came back to her parents. Two were minors and it became an issue. On an individual level its not an issue- their choice after all, but there is a perception, that this is an organized effort. Couple this with the call from several clerics to "bring the unbelievers to the true religion" and you have the problem exacerbated. Nor is this restricted to just Islam. Unfortunately, evangelical proselytisers also insist on conversion on interreligious marriage.
That apart, there are many cases of successful interreligion marriages succeeding and both participants having the maturity and grace to let the others faith be. I remember one famous judge of the Indian SC, name eludes me, who was a Muslim and whose wife was a Hindu. Both openly followed their faiths with grace. There are many cases of Hindu-Muslim marriage amongst the Indian persona- with either the Husband being Hindu and the wife Muslim or vice versa.
It is when conversions are insisted upon, and when a pattern emerges that it becomes a public issue.

Ray

Archer,

Unlike what maybe the perception of others, I am here to understand how things 'tick'.

The news that I post are from the media of the countries involved as a matter of practice. It is reported in their own countries i.e. the US or UK. I don't post from Al Jazeerah.

I wish to know the contrary view of those from the countries from whose media I have quoted, so that I have a balanced perspective.

The problem is not mine. It is of those who comment on me. They carry the Democrat vs Republican baggage and transpose it with the usual arrogance that the international audience should also identify in the ridiculous Democrat vs Republican matrix as if it is the most natural thing to happen. They forget that others too have a mind of their own. This 'either with us or against us' mindset rankles.

That is why it is always a pleasure to read the posts of Shek and S2. And they are blue blooded Americans and more American than most. Their posts are full of knowledge and not mere jingo obfuscations that neither help man or beast.

Take the thread going on about Stoning. It would appear that I am defending Sharia to the ignorant and uninitiated person. I am merely pointing out the difference in the mental chemistry and the cultural construct that make stoning and other "barbaric" issues appealing to the Moslems. And yet, there will be someone around you who will feel I have embraced Islam and then tell me what are the times to pray and how horrid I am!

And I daresay, my English appears to be Chinese or Swahili!

Jambo! Ingon yama gon yama Invibu, yabo yabo Invibu!

But it makes all types to make the world.

I don't take umbrage.