Anon

"Thanks for answering my question, i'll take that as a no."

You can take it however you want, i'm still right.

And BTW, there's not a bum anywhere in America that couldn't qualify for welfare benefits if they bothered to sign up for them. And most bums are not totally whacked in the head. Certainly some of them are crazy like a fox.

PaulG

Dunno if you read my previous post where i tried to explain it a bit.

Theres a lot more to it than that, eg, some people don't even realise they have a condition.

You say whacked in the head, im not talking just about the people who wear their underware over their heads and run thru the street yellying that they are jesus and aliens are coming.

Many are people you meet everyday and wouldn't even notice they had a problem.

Leader

The liberals are the ones that pushed the closure of state institutions in the 70's and 80's that let these sick people out so they could live on the streets.

Some do. Just ask them. They call it freedom.

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Leader

Working harder has nothing to do with it. You earn what other people will pay you. I don't why it is the wealthy people's fault because you can't get paid $200 an hour to flip burgers.

Leader

LOL I'm going to remember that line. It could be useful in the future.

PaulG

Yeah i know, we followed the same direction, as usual do what the yanks do (not that that is bad in policy implementation really, just seems we do it more than we should for the wrong reasons) Actually, it was the right that put them out as a economic measure, but used the liberal argument to justify it. You can see this in the way they didnt live up to outcare responsibilities.

Anyway, i think the problem with that was there was many in in care that shouldnt have been, the psyciatric proffession has come along in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years and knows it made mistakes keeping certain people locked away.

That said the ones that need intensive care, have been let out on the street, which may be ok, but the level of outside care they need has not been invested in.

BTW i wouldn't argue every single homeless person is in this catagory.

The homeless youth problem is different, that could range from mental health issues to abuse in the home (of all types). However i have noticed there is an element in the youth homeless that seem to think it is a cool lifestyle to lead, no rules do what you want etc.

Anon

"Many are people you meet everyday and wouldn't even notice they had a problem."

Plenty of them can hold a job Paul, i know enough of them that do, i'm sure you do too.

There are a lot of nuts in the world, and some of them make damned good money.

Leader

It was the left in America.

Then let those people out and round up the ones on the streets and put them back in.

These people then would not be candidates for help because they are capable of working and choose there own fate.

Praxus

The thinker is the producer. Without the mind neither the physical production of the product nor it's benefit towards man would ever exsist.

So they should be excused for refusing to think?

PaulG

Thats true, however your use of the word 'nuts' and 'whacko' tend to confuse your argument or my understanding of it. I'm no political correctness cop, but they are just the wrong nouns(?) to use.

From experience with my own problems, i can hold a job, but there has been times i cannot. You might meet me day and im working and doing the right thing, but next year i might unemployed and uncapable of applying for work. Ive, been on a knifes edge between homelessness and 'homeness' before, and i fully understand those who slipped over the wrong edge.

Regarding the wealthy 'whacko's' i'm sure those dudes have bipolar but only experience the mania side of it( i have an uncle with that, but he has arthritis so he never got past owning his own home, but he did that pretty quick). Anyway those dudes will work 20hours a day 7 days a week if they get the chance so no wonder they can get rich using that in their favour.

PaulG

A matter of opinion, i could argue even of morality, but its not the popular concept so i wont argue it.

Withought the labour nothing gets done, its a symbiotic relationship you could say.

I will attemp to breifly explain it this way. A worker in a foundry is employed for his labour to produce an item that will be sold. You have investors and managers that also contribute to this product in their own way, labour or capital. The worker, even using all the protective gear supplied by the company that is a legal requirement of them, is still exposed to toxic fumes in order to contribute to production.

By the time the worker reaches 50 he starts having chest pains and coughing up crud, he manages to get along for another ten years then dies from some lung disease that is partly due to the toxic fumes of a lifetime working a furnace.

It is a widely known fact that workers in certain industries have a lower life expectancy than others.

During this workers lifetime, he has provided his family with a consumable income that with a bit of hard work could gain a little extra capital savings.

As in most cases the workers share of capital return is i small percentage of overall return. Yet it seems he has given the most to produce it.

Now look at the growth in executive incomes and payouts that has been seen recently. It is not uncommon for these incomes to be sommething like 200 000 (a guess) times more than the worker who has given most.

It would be ridiculous to expect the worker to be paid the same as an executive, but its also a rediculous amount they are paid considering the input, and sacrifices made to it, compared to the worker. Not that i promote equal wages there is a necessity that those who work harder or smarter should be paid more for incentive purposes, but system we have now is immoral as far as i'm concerned.

Ray

Jihad?

Gio

Oh yes, selfish damn conservatives.

The Generosity Index, compiled by The Catalogue For Philanthropy. It is computed by taking each state's average income and average charitable contribution, then subtracting the second rank from the first to get a single number for each state.

Go figure.

Ray

So predictable, so boring.

Where has the easy post icon gone?

Gio

So cliche, so medicated..