Parihaka

So tell me Asim, your fellow Muslims are attacking our societies, killing our people and all the while telling us it's our fault.

You're leading a pleasant life in Dubai, going out with your Afghani millionaire mates, without any fear of the attacks that Europe and America suffer: you rail against us for expressing that we have had enough, demand why don't we attack or kill specific people who you don't like, and make snide comments about our simplicity and lack of will.
So, if one of my fellow countrymen blew up your apartment block and killed some of your family before fleeing back to NZ, would you expect me to return him to your country for trial? If others in New Zealand were complicite in that murder, would you expect us to find and hand over them as well?
Your country of Pakistan harbours the two most wanted men in the world and you have the sheer ballsed up arrogance to sneer at us? Why aren't you handing them over? Could it be because you approve? It's dead easy to sit in your safe haven, sneer, and silently cheer isn't it.

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Bluesman

I'm actually still on-board with the Bush Doctrine. I don't want to fight the whole crew. I want our Muslim allies to stay 'on-side' with us.

But if the mob that's calling for Rahman to be pulled into pieces, set afire, and beheaded is what we can expect from a country that we are literally paving with American money...maybe that approach is truly futile.

If it is, there's no other game in town, and we gotta play SOMEthing if we're going to survive Islam's predations.

Asim, I was right there cheering for your country when the deal went down. I feel betrayed by the Turks, because they were our friends, FORMAL ALLIES, no less, and they're in some measure responsible for what's happened in Iraq since the war. As for Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, I'm proud of the help they've given in the War, and I'm somewhat sympathetic to the difficulties they face with their own people as a result.

Most of all, I'm proud of the part I've played in helping liberate over 50 million of your co-religionists, and the millions more whose lives my comrades-in-arms have saved from earthquakes, tsunamis, Serbs, and each other.

But I've about had all I can stand with the 'Death to America!' crew, and nobody down at the ole mosque threatens to hack THEIR heads off. Instead, it's all lock-step mind-meld group-think to condemn every single human being outside the ummah. We can't write what we want, we can't draw what we want, we can't say what we want, and we can't buy your silly little book and do with it what we want, even though it's our own property. Now, THAT, my friend, is anti-freedom, and if you're going to throw deadly tantrums every time somebody pisses you off, then we're going to have you shoot you dead in the street like dogs, until you're all gone. Because we WILL live like we want to, and y'all better find a way to get used to it...or fill your hands, and get ready for your heavenly whore-house, or whatever you profess to believe happens to a good little martyr.

Well, the hell with THAT. If they're all your brothers, you'd better get going out there behind the woodshed each and every time somebody starts up with that crap, instead of defending them, your goddam' prophet, or your imaginary god. Because we're preceiving a THREAT, and more than a few of us have seen your little snuff videos that are so popular in the bazaars and shops where your religion holds sway. We know about the 'hero' posters lauding suicide bombers in every Pallie shop window. We've seen the clips from your telivision shows, where 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' are presented as FACT, and Jews are said to be descended from monkeys and pigs.

Your religion as currently practiced is DISGUSTING, and if you do not STOP with the excuses and covering for each other, we've all got to assume that your with THEM, and act accordingly for our own protection.

Now, then...I truly WANT to see the Muslim world advance with the rest of us, instead of retreating into some mythical holy hey-dey from the 13th Century, with all of its pathologies that belong locked up in history's dustbin. But until ObL is turned in BY A MUSLIM...no go. Until the Palestinians care more about building their state instead of destroying another...NO GO. And until a man can be free of a gutter religion without having to die for his choice...NO FUKKIN' GO.

You're a moderate...all well and good. But you're in here fighting US, not down at the mosque, knockin' heads whenever some of the lads start in with their nonsense. IF you do that, IF some of the fellas that you hang with go with you, IF the movement starts going the other way...you can save yourselves and the other brothers from different mothers LOTS of ass-pain.

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Parihaka

This to me, Asim, is your religion. Many of the people who did this are your countrymen, your kith and kin. Why am I wrong, care to tell?

Ray

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sparten

Listen up buddy.How many "terror" attacks have you been a WITNESS to? Well I have had the misfortune to be near to TWO. First time 1995, Egyptian embassy blast. My school was right next door, our playground was littered with debris. Thankfully no one was injured, though glass in several classrooms was broken. If it had occurred 5 minutes later, we would have been in the playground and.......
Second time last May (05). Last day of exams, we decide to take a short cut to go to a resturant to celebrate, walking through Bari Imam shrine, what happens, BOOM. Place has got injured/dead people lying on the ground, with assorted severed limbs. I just grabbed my girl and ran the hell out of there.

And yes my old High School classfellow, who joined the Army is currently lying in the hospital with a 4 bullets in his chest incurred in action in Wana. He is 21 years old, he will never walk again, he will have only about 35% lung capacity, he has lost feets of intestine and he needs surgery to repair the damage to his heart.

Why don't you go say that him. Or any of the other 600 Pakistani soldiers who have been wounded/killed in action.

Yes, I seretly glee. Especially when recess time becomes a fireworks display, or when I see dead people, in real life, or when I see a close friend wounded.
Excellent diagnosis, sir.

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Srirangan

For the last time, Pakistan is not doing the world a favor by fighting terror. Your Army created this menace, if you don't wipe them out, you get wiped out. Period. I care about the Pkaistani souldiers dead/wounded, it is because of the Pakistani govts stupid, avengful and hatred laden attitude during the 70's, 80's and the 90's that your are suffering today.

I call a spade a spade. Musharraf and his clique better cleanup, or else they themselves face a cleanup. So stop spewing ******** about Pakistan's great sacrifices. Pakistan is sacrificing nothing, it is onl;y just paying the price of mistakes of the pasts.

As far as the ******** argument that Afghan law must be respected, here's my take on it. First of all, it is not Afghan law but Islamic law imposed on Afghanistan by a handful of clerics and their millions of idiotic/fanatic supporters.

Why should we comnplain when muslim barbaric law is applied in muslim countries? Fine we won't. But stop whining, crying, moaning and rioting for human rights in non muslim countries.

If you can kill a man for converting, then the Danish press is well justified in printing cartoons. Muslim law better respect non muslims and human beings in general, or things will spiral out of control very fast.

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sparten

Just shows your ignorance. Do you even know what the basic law, what Kelsen calls the "Grund Norm", is enforced in Afghanistan today?
Probably not.

Srirangan

The man is being sentenced to death under shariat law. That's all there is to it. I don't care if some god damn moderate Imam has a different interpretation to this. **** that.

The man is being abused and murdered by Islamic law because he is not a muslim. That's how muslim law treats non muslims. This is generalization will hold true as long as muslims don't trash the shariat. This hasn't been done so far. Period.

sparten

First of all thats not true, Afghan law is a mixture of various tribal customs and British Codes adopted in 19th and 20th century.
Secondly, you seem to be so egar to denounce SHariah, do you evgen know what it is? Highly doubtful.

Srirangan

Looking to escape through a technicality? Won't let you. The shariat law has asked for the man to die. Till date no authority in Afghanistan has spoken against the law. It is shariat law, it may also be tribal law. But it is shariat law adopted by the tribals.

And yes I know enough about shariat law. It is an islamic law which sanctions great abuse of women and non muslims. It is being practised in many parts of the muslim world including Saudi Arabia.

Don't denounce the entire shariat but be humane enough to atleast denounce this particular section of the shariat will you? Oh yes, the cartoon's were offensive. /sic

Srirangan

Oh yes, and I saw you post in Pakistani Defence Forum mentioning these WAB threads. I won't be surprised by the jehadi influx that follows. And fact remains, this may also be tribal law, but it is barbaric shariat law which has not been reformed. If you don't reform it yourself, a reformation will be enforced. It is but an eventuality.

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Keep it civil, Gentlemen. Keep it civil.

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Asim Aquil

Get on a freakin plane and see how more and more of your Americans are choosing to live like this:





Islam was going to make your daughters wear burkhas?

Look what Beyonce's wearing in a Muslim country



And look! A Danish band performing live in a Muslim city! Wtf? Some danish artist made cartoons and Muslims are sposed to hate all Danish people!



And what the hell? I thought Muslim girls had to stay at home and never have any fun!

sparten

Bit late for that sir. Good advice though nonetheless.

Srirangan

That is the irony. We be morally obliged to keep it civil while .. http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/sho...d.php?p=197155