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Anon · 03-27-2006, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by troung

There is not a monolithic voice of Islam. Go figure but I guess the bomb makers and head sawers have done a good job at convincing people, who had barely heard of Afghanistan until 9-11, that they are the voice of Islam. There is no voice of Islam.

Perception is reality.

Wars have been started over perceptions. Even false ones.

Whole peoples have been removed from the earth over perceptions.

One almost gets a sense of just being a bemused observer when talking about this.

I think the mullahs cant wait to get a nuke so they can nuke us, and i fully expect that we will be so enraged and so desperately in need of "making an example" afterwards that perhaps 6-7-800,000 million people coud be dead before the ensuing carnage ended.

I view that eventuality to be all but inevitable over the long term(say next 50 years).

Aryan · 03-27-2006, 01:45 AM

Snipe...I'm starting to think you're all talk. If your such a bada.ss, what you doing in good old America? Grab an M21 and head off to your nearest muslim country, and give America ahead start on the billion muslims its planning on nuking.

Big words need to be backed up with big deeds bro...

Ray · 03-27-2006, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Aryan

Troung...don't you see? It's much, much easier to whine on about how islam is this big nasty evil religion just waiting to land on every American's head, than to actually look at some of the more real issues that go on in their country.

You've got people in this thread whining about how they don't want their daughters to wear burkhas...WTF? How is that even an issue?

The problem is that you are looking at a single case. Law should take its course and there is no doubt about that in anyone's mind, except the deranged.

Islam is doing it en masse.

Their saner elements (and there are sane people in Islam too) too scared to raise their voice and disgust en masse!

troung · 03-27-2006, 01:50 AM

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Snipe...I'm starting to think you're all talk. If your such a bada.ss, what you doing in good old America? Grab an M21 and head off to your nearest muslim country, and give America ahead start on the billion muslims its planning on nuking. Big words need to be backed up with big deeds bro...

He is talking more in terms of an "if".

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Perception is reality.

So then you have fallen into it...

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think the mullahs cant wait to get a nuke so they can nuke us, and i fully expect that we will be so enraged and so desperately in need of "making an example" afterwards that perhaps 6-7-800,000 million people coud be dead before the ensuing carnage ended. I view that eventuality to be all but inevitable over the long term(say next 50 years).

I seriously doubt that in responce to a terrorist attack we would wipe one billion people off the Earth. God knows people would want to, but I doubt our government would go that far. What might happen would maybe "only" say 5 million...

Anon · 03-27-2006, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Aryan

Snipe...I'm starting to think you're all talk. If your such a bada.ss, what you doing in good old America? Grab an M21 and head off to your nearest muslim country, and give America ahead start on the billion muslims its planning on nuking.

Big words need to be backed up with big deeds bro...

Just like you think the talk of the US actually using it's nuclear deterrent is all talk too?

An interesting coincidence?

Or a gross misjudgement?

You are equally wrong on both conclusions.

BTW, if i wanted to kill muslims i dont even have to leave my block. I have a family of black muslims living not 50 yards from my home.
If i wanted to kill muslims philly is as good a place as any.

Ray · 03-27-2006, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by troung

Force is one thing the rest are fine...

Maybe to you.

Surely one belief cannot be equated with Saudi riyals or are you suggesting that you are of the moral value and conviction that can be put to auction and sold to the higest bidder?

Is that conviction of the soul?

Funny soul, I must say!

if there is no morality in the bones, then why single out force as wrong?

Aryan · 03-27-2006, 01:53 AM

Actually, I think he believes it to be a 'when' more than an 'if'.

Ray · 03-27-2006, 01:55 AM

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I seriously doubt that in responce to a terrorist attack we would wipe one billion people off the Earth. God knows people would want to, but I doubt our government would go that far. What might happen would maybe "only" say 5 million...

While I am not with the nuke lobby, but I see the point.

NO, one billion people will not be required to be wiped out.

It will just give the message and be of deterrent value as was MAD in the Cold War between Russia and the USA.

Remember the Cuban crisis?

Anon · 03-27-2006, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by troung

I seriously doubt that in responce to a terrorist attack we would wipe one billion people off the Earth. God knows people would want to, but I doubt our government would go that far. What might happen would maybe "only" say 5 million...

And as long as the East AS A WHOLE PEOPLE believes that- believes that we are humane and 'too soft', it makes it THAT MUCH MORE LIKELY because our nuclear deterrant will NOT BE RESPECTED.

THINK MAN, THINK!

Aryan · 03-27-2006, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Just like you think the talk of the US actually using it's nuclear deterrent is all talk too?

An interesting coincidence?

Or a gross misjudgement?

You are equally wrong on both conclusions.

BTW, if i wanted to kill muslims i dont even have to leave my block. I have a family of black muslims living not 50 yards from my home.
If i wanted to kill muslims philly is as good a place as any.

I dont hear anyone in the administration talking about using its 'nuclear deterrent'. And there's a big difference between talking about nuking Syria or Iran and nuking the entire muslim world...

50 yards? What, did ya pace it out or something?

Ray · 03-27-2006, 01:59 AM

Push the US Administration more and then they will talk about it.

Till then the mantra is "Easy does it. One by one".

Anon · 03-27-2006, 02:03 AM

Hints have actually been dropped. Remember the 'nuclear bunker buster'?

What do you think that was all about?

How about the senator that called for nuking mecca as a response to a WMD attack on the US?

How about president Bush calling this fight "The calling of our time"?
(very dramatic and powerful kennedy-reagan like war rhetoric language)
'callings of our time' implicitly suggest a 'for all the marbles' mentality to any citizens who might actually be paying attention to what their leader is telling them.

Then there is the simple fact that this is likely to be a circumstance driven exchange.

The mullahs want to nuke us. They've said so. Osama and Zaqarhi have both said so flat out. If they do, we WILL retaliate with nukes IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

The outrage will be so severe that god only knows how many will die. You are terribly underestimating the power of the american people.

They'll want a 1 way armageddon.

Aryan · 03-27-2006, 02:03 AM

Not much of a threat if you don't talk about it...

troung · 03-27-2006, 02:04 AM

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Maybe to you. Surely one belief cannot be equated with Saudi riyals or are you suggesting that you are of the moral value and conviction that can be put to auction and sold to the higest bidder? Is that conviction of the soul? Funny soul, I must say! if there is no morality in the bones, then why single out force as wrong?

I don't have a religion, never have and more then likely never will. But if someone wants to join one in exchange for a loaf of bread, getting their kids into a good school or getting a job then fine by me. A state has no right to decide what a good reason is to switch religions. If one wishes to auction off their soul then they have that right as a human to do so. Because in picking a relgion guess what they are offering you something in exchange for abiding by their rules.

And if people are so poor that they are joining different religions for a loaf of bread or getting their kids into a school then guess what the state and society themselves are pretty ****ed up and have really no right to tell people not to look out for themselves.

Anon · 03-27-2006, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Aryan

Not much of a threat if you don't talk about it...

If there's a 50 foot man eating monster standing behind you on a leash that you're holding while you are at a negotiation with the neighborhood street gang over turf rights, you think that you'll have to say a single word about him?

It's impolite and irresponsible for presidents to threaten people directly with nukes.

It's just not done.

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03-27-2006, 01:45 AM	#47 (permalink)
Aryan Banished Join Date: 05-02-04 Posts: 1,532	Snipe...I'm starting to think you're all talk. If your such a bada.ss, what you doing in good old America? Grab an M21 and head off to your nearest muslim country, and give America ahead start on the billion muslims its planning on nuking. Big words need to be backed up with big deeds bro...

03-27-2006, 01:53 AM	#52 (permalink)
Aryan Banished Join Date: 05-02-04 Posts: 1,532	Actually, I think he believes it to be a 'when' more than an 'if'.

03-27-2006, 01:59 AM	#56 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 28,254 Country:	Push the US Administration more and then they will talk about it. Till then the mantra is "Easy does it. One by one".

03-27-2006, 02:03 AM	#57 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	Hints have actually been dropped. Remember the 'nuclear bunker buster'? What do you think that was all about? How about the senator that called for nuking mecca as a response to a WMD attack on the US? How about president Bush calling this fight "The calling of our time"? (very dramatic and powerful kennedy-reagan like war rhetoric language) 'callings of our time' implicitly suggest a 'for all the marbles' mentality to any citizens who might actually be paying attention to what their leader is telling them. Then there is the simple fact that this is likely to be a circumstance driven exchange. The mullahs want to nuke us. They've said so. Osama and Zaqarhi have both said so flat out. If they do, we WILL retaliate with nukes IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. The outrage will be so severe that god only knows how many will die. You are terribly underestimating the power of the american people. They'll want a 1 way armageddon.

03-27-2006, 02:03 AM	#58 (permalink)
Aryan Banished Join Date: 05-02-04 Posts: 1,532	Not much of a threat if you don't talk about it...

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