Parihaka

What you are on about is the accusation of hypocracy, as though this were the great capital crime of our time. Yes we have faults, yes we make mistakes, yes there are people and attitudes within our society that fail the test.
Your belief is that because we have these faults we have no right to defend ourselves from those without our society who would seek our downfall. You are wrong.

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Aryan

Troung...don't you see? It's much, much easier to whine on about how islam is this big nasty evil religion just waiting to land on every American's head, than to actually look at some of the more real issues that go on in their country.

You've got people in this thread whining about how they don't want their daughters to wear burkhas...WTF? How is that even an issue?

troung

Leading the charge, not often. But being in a position of command yes, in Afghanistan different Mullahs at times did get moved into command positions and did command offensives like Mazar in 1997. Mullah Eshanullah Eshan for example commanded 1000 troops at Mazar where he met his end. Other Mullahs led combat units as well. They often had dual roles and ran other branches of the government and were shifted to combat assignments.

And North Koreans should stop *****ing and leave North Korea. People in the Kashmir should stop *****ing and get the hell out of dodge.

Just as big of a fairy tail as any of the other religions....

troung

Actually I think it is more the sky is falling...

Happens on both sides. It has less to do with America tackling its own problems and more to do with understanding the enemy and not making new ones.

I for one welcome the Caliphate's tax codes... I hate the car tax, the gas tax, the sales tax and so forth... too many fukking taxes...

Aryan

That's just putting words in my mouth. Defending yourself from your enemies is a right accorded to ALL nations, I've never claimed otherwise.

"Just as big of a fairy tail as any of the other religions.... "

Tell me about it. I HATE all religion.

Officer of Engineers

I can't find the article.

A Canadian Forces Major failed to save a young girl's life when she accidently fell into a sewage canal. He and two other Canadian soldiers were the only ones who jumped into that disease ridden filth. The uncle watched helplessly from the bank.

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Aryan

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Parihaka

I'm not whining at all, I'm simply stating that the Caliphate stops where I stand.

dalem

Because it's Muslims who want to (or tacitly support those that want to) saw my living head off, genius.

Retreating to the standard Muslim position of "it's not our fault, and everyone has problems" was a weak argument on 9/12, and it hasn't gotten any stronger in the time since.

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Officer of Engineers

And your point is? Afghanistan is not immune to such behaviour.

dalem

By abandoning the ground to the head-sawers, any moderates that may exist have created a voice of Islam. That's my point.

Yeah, that's always been Reason #1 of the "Don't think of them as barbarians" school of thought.

Check my post history - I am not selling anyone short. The Muslim Canadian chick who was getting press a couple of years ago, the demonstrations in Morocco after the Zarkman's wedding bombing in Jordan: I have sung praises of both of those efforts, and there are more happening that I am sure I am ignorant of.

But it's not important that I listen to them - I already agree with the moderates as far as I know. It's important that the billion Muslims out there listen, and take the message to heart.

Right, because one contrary example disproves the generality. Please.

And you'll find I have little sympathy or respect for those who allow such elements to thrive in their midst as well, independent of their circumstances.

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Parihaka

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Aryan

That was just one example of a flaw in society. Quite often, When I was at school, we'd get put through hours of "propaganda" on how we had to be vigilant towards people (i.e. paedos) wanting to abduct us.

I guess it deserves a thread of its own, but my point was that there were plenty of serious problems in our society today, problems that Afghans rightly would find deplorable (such as the one above). Abortion would be another one.

ZFBoxcar

Aryan, just out of curiousity, if you don't believe in God, why are you still a Muslim? You might ask me the same question about Judaism, but Judaism is also (sort of) a nation/ethnicity/culture. But as far as I know, Islam is a belief system and the activities based on that belief system. If you don't believe (and therefore don't act) are you still a Muslim?

astralis

instead of saying "islam as a whole", why not lambast certain "interpretations of islam"? troung is right in saying that the muslim world is hardly unified in its interpretations.

just because the extremists are the most noticeable and through their actions have the loudest voice, does not mean that every other muslim individual is hot for destroying the west.

bluesman, a quick point.

i thought it was quite admirable back in the whole ports furor how you made a mention against blanket xenophobia, saying how doing so would effectively work against those muslims we want to get on our side.

so when people mention about how islam as a whole is evil, isn't it a contradiction in the belief that what we're doing in the middle east can help "reform" aspects of islam? one does not reform evil, one destroys it, as you so put it:

if such would be the case, then you would also be eradicating many friends of america (not to say neutrals who are ignorant or apathetic to this whole deal, a remarkably large part of any population). and considering the number of muslims in the world, wouldn't such a process be treblinka and auschwitz or bergen all over again, on a far vaster scale? even if we give in to the lazy and most certainly incorrect reasoning "all muslims are alike" and "islam is evil". hitler, after all, "only" killed 6 million jews.