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Interesting that you add the highly infomative "b.s." then in your next post-count-padding reply, you add "what else causes."
Well, which is it? Bull or another way that parts fail?
I will personally mail you a fine cuban when that happens!!)
Interesting that you add the highly infomative "b.s." then in your next post-count-padding reply, you add "what else causes."
Well, which is it? Bull or another way that parts fail?
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i see you're a wise ass.Interesting that you add the highly infomative "b.s." then in your next post-count-padding reply, you add "what else causes."
Well, which is it? Bull or another way that parts fail?
well let see, which is it.
whatever you said about smoke related hardware failure is all bull shit, just like i said before.
so it goes like this, dust, and you know what else???(in addition to dust) cheap parts, and dumb assemblers.
is it clear for you now?????
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" B. Franklin
Yeah, pal, a lot is clear.
I have neither the time nor the space here to enumerate it all.
You wouldn't understand it anyway.
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I see in you nothing more than a rabid "anti-smoker". Yes in all my years around PCs, laptops etc. ( since the days of the Personal PC and 286s) the one major cause of component failure has been DUST and other debris. NOT cigarette smoke. Consider the fact that even "tuff books" as in use by law enforcement and military are not airtight - just impact resistant.Interesting that you add the highly infomative "b.s." then in your next post-count-padding reply, you add "what else causes."
Well, which is it? Bull or another way that parts fail?
Most PCs in dusty environments have just that - dust bunnies! Just like any other electonics in dusty environments - you have to try to maintain them. It is not all about cigarettes.
In your world view,I'm sure if smoking cigarettes were eliminated from this planet, all of mankind's problems - including global warming would be solved.
Get real dude - and get a life and a clue!!
Save the name calling for somewhere else.
And while I'm at it: Replying to posts in a row with "BS" is not going to earn you points around here. If you're going to dispute something, then back it up with facts.
I quit smoking for a year and a half, and promised myself I would NOT become a "reformed smoker". However I could not help wrinkle my nose at cigarette smoke, and could really smell a smoker when he/she walked in the room. Eventually, it did not bother me at all. So why did I start back up?Damn right!
Funny thing: Whilst a smoker, I hated reformed smokers with a passion: Because I knew damm good and well that they were 100% right and I didn't have a leg to stand on.
BUT! As I neared my dreaded Quit Smoking Day, I was filled with small amount of consolation: I was going to get to be the irritating-as-all-hell reformed smoker for a change!!
I don't know. I think I got bored..
Never said smoke was the major cause, just that it was a cause and will contribute to failure. That can of air that sits on my desk at work is testament to the dust in the servers that I open on a daily basis. There are many contributing factors to hardware failure. Try googling "smoke in electronics" and see what you get.
Never said it was, you made that claim.Most PCs in dusty environments have just that - dust bunnies! Just like any other electonics in dusty environments - you have to try to maintain them. It is not all about cigarettes.
Once again, you are inferring things I've never said. Please reread my post where I addressed my position on smoking. Smoke all you want, just have the courtesy to understand that I do not wish to enjoy your cigarette with you.In your world view,I'm sure if smoking cigarettes were eliminated from this planet, all of mankind's problems - including global warming would be solved.
Get real dude - and get a life and a clue!!
Global Warming, what exactly is that? I do not subscribe to that theory. If you are going to try to ridicule me, you need to actually hit on my politics, which are very right of center.
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Oh man that is nasty isn't it?I quit smoking for a year and a half, and promised myself I would NOT become a "reformed smoker". However I could not help wrinkle my nose at cigarette smoke, and could really smell a smoker when he/she walked in the room. Eventually, it did not bother me at all. So why did I start back up?
I don't know. I think I got bored..
The first time it really wrinkled my nose, I was horrified by the sudden realization that that's the way I smelled to non-smokers, especially right after having one! :(
Cigarette smoking is a great way to structure time. I personally don't think it is a nicotine addiction thing. Granted it is the most addictive substance known to man ( or so I've been told). I lost my cravings in about 3 days.Oh man that is nasty isn't it?
The first time it really wrinkled my nose, I was horrified by the sudden realization that that's the way I smelled to non-smokers, especially right after having one! :(
But in the life of a smoker:
Shuttle won't be here for 15 minutes - light up.
Bored in Stop n'Go traffic - light up.
Beer in a bar - light up.
One guy in a room lights up - everyone lights up!
That I think is the addiction - or Pavlovian response!
When I started back up, my first "re-start" cig was not because I craved it. it was more of a "what the heck, I've been quit so long, it ain't gonna hurt to have one..."
Back to a pack a day in less than a day...
Hijacked the thread already..still does not hurt the MTBF ( mean time between failures) as far as electronics go like people want you to believe.
Last edited by texasjohn; 26 Nov 09, at 02:26.
Computers are surprisingly hardy. I will take a picture of my computer to back up omon's point that as long as stuff is sealed (as in no exposed wafer or hard drive parts), a computer doesn't care about dust, and I suspect, smoke from cigarettes.
I'll post the picture later when I get home.
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
I've seen this replicated many times over.
How Cigarette Smoke Damages Computers
Computer Killers – Pet Hair, Dust and Cigarette Smoke | Technibble
As I said, the solid state components are not directly affected by dust and smoke tar, it is the resultant heat build-up that gets them.
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You just validated my point! That's why I keep my garage PC blown clean every month or so.It's called routine maintenance. Just like I do the PCs I maintain as a contract for automotive shops, truck stops etc. It's common sense.
Article two - dust and pet hair. Duh! of course! Did it get there overnight? NO! It's called negligent maintenance.. just like ignoring a noisy CPU fan from worn bearings, etc. Your point? Do I now go shoot my dog?
Ever looked at the inside of a car motor when oil has not been changed in 10,000 miles? or a dirty air filter? not pretty either!
Does that mean you don't drive the car through dirty roads? heaven forbid you clog up the air filter!
Last edited by texasjohn; 26 Nov 09, at 03:39.
I didn't disagree with you to begin with, where dust is concerned. Read the web pages I provided in their entirety. Then, please look at what I wrote; that cigarette smoke contributes. The tar is sticky and tends to make the dust accumulate. It also makes it harder to remove the dust.
Before I became a systems administrator in 1999, I was a surgery nurse for 12 years. I've seen directly how tar from cigarettes adheres to lung tissue. It is no different for computer parts, furniture, TV screens, ceilings and windows.
As I also said, you are welcome to smoke all you want to, I could not care less. Just have the courtesy not include me in your habit.
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I never said I would include you in my habit. My point is equipment is required to work under adverse conditions and a technician that does not understand his particular environment is not worth his salt.
Btw, I work @ UT Southwestern medical Center in Dallas as a sysadmin- perhaps you have heard of them. We have equipment out in places you would not believe. I think we call it "Situation awareness" as far as maintenance goes.
Smoking is NOT allowed anywhere on campus. Guess what? we see the same dust bunnies and crap anyway!
I can't tell you how many times, I have walked up to surgery room equipment that had "fluid x", and "goo y" on it and killed the device. No smoking there. Abuse - is simply abuse.
Last edited by texasjohn; 26 Nov 09, at 04:28.
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