Thread: A missile v/s missile test on Sunday ( Is India testing ABM??)

highsea read this, alot of what u said is reflected here,


The missile system has to be tested in battle conditions.
While few details are available on the Defence Research and Development Organisation’s (DRDO’s) atmospheric intercept system that was tested on Monday, the experience of militarily advanced countries like the US, Russia and Israel, indicate that such a system is highly challenging to develop. The DRDO’s unknown missile interceptor, aims to be the forerunner of an anti-missile defence system and its claim that the test is a “milestone” is premature considering it was conducted under controlled conditions. This involves multiple stages from detection to ascertaining hostile presence, classification or identification of friend or foe, readying the system and finally accurately engaging the target. The entire gamut of activities from detection to engagement constitutes ‘real reaction time’ that is crucial to determining the success or failure of any missile system. Given the DRDO’s recent track record in missile development, it can at best be accused of technological overreach in this instance.

However, as always any missile systems’ capability is established under battle conditions. An anti-missile defence system implies the smooth integration of missiles, radar and tracking systems and sub-systems. The DRDO’s Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme since the early 1980s is still a long way from completion. Its Trishul low altitude, surface-to-air missile has been abandoned after nearly 30 years whilst both Akash surface to air missile and Nag anti-tank missile are nowhere near series production. And more recently the Agni III intermediate range ballistic missile failed in July following technical problems.

It is unclear whether the DRDO would eventually adopt the make-or-buy formula or opt for a combination of both for an anti-missile defence system. As always India has kept its options open to procure the Russian s-300 PMU 1 anti-ballistic missile shield in addition to acquiring the Israeli Greenpine radar and is also looking at USA’s Lockheed Martin for its various Patriot advanced capability anti-theatre ballistic missile systems. The nation’s air defence shield also needs to tackle threats not only from missiles with conventional and nuclear warneads but also drones and low flying aircraft. But the moot question is whether the DRDO’s latest experiment will eventually translate into a successful system and within a reasonable time frame.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/n...hp?newsid=7809

Corrections to the above edit.

*The Trishuls guidance issues have apparently been resolved, and discussions are on with the IAF to arrive at the required user trials.
*The Akash is at the same stage.
*The Nag, has cleared its ground launched variant trials (helicopter based user trial yet to be undertaken).

INDIAN MOD PRESS RELEASE, 29th Nov,2006
from www.mod.nic.in

Rajya Sabha

Akash and Nag missile system are ready for users' trial after which they will enter into production and induction phase. Development of Trishul missile has also been completed. Air Force configuration has met the user requirements during its various developmental flight trials. DRDO is in dialogue with Air Force for possible induction after jointly developing the user trial criteria.

"As always India has kept its options open to procure the Russian s-300 PMU 1 anti-ballistic missile shield in addition to acquiring the Israeli Greenpine radar and is also looking at USA’s Lockheed Martin for its various Patriot advanced capability anti-theatre ballistic missile systems. "

Correction 2: India is not interested in the S-300 PMU 1 (which has been superceded by the newer 2 variant), but the latest Antey 2500 as well as the S-400 Triumf. The latter is under trials, and is quite unlikely to be released for export asap as well, given how much sensitive the Russians have been over releasing information related to it. The US has offered PAC-2, previously. India wants access to PAC-3.
And then of course, theres the Arrow.

Lastly, according to all gentlemen I have conversed with, India wants source code and detailed technical access to whichever ABM system it procures, from abroad. The chances of the US giving that kind of access to the PAC-3....

The second paragraph of Bulls Article is total crap.
Full of wrong information.

First one is however correct.This is at nascent stage and main thing is to integrate this entire with command and control structure.

Archer India Denied Pac - 3 too, asked for full access to Arrow 2.
France/Congress/Pakistan etc etc said No then US denied that.

Originally Posted by 1bs

Moderators are rational people, they don't ban people just because they don't kiss Indian asses.

No, but I do give infractions for using the words such as morons, stupid, idiot, etc., as I consider that flame-baiting. Just a word of advice for everyone participating in this thread.

Have been reading through your links and posts, pretty interesting. Just some dumb questions, but how do normal ABMs seek the incoming BM at the last stages which i guess must be in milli seconds? IR, radar based homing, any other means for seeking? How exactly is the incoming BM destabilized? Is there a physical hit necessary or is some sort of warhead explosive in the incoming BMs proximity adequate to destabilze it? I've read some report of a Kinetic warhead 'hit to kill'..whats that mean?

Originally Posted by joey

The second paragraph of Bulls Article is total crap.
Full of wrong information. ..

Actually, all the Indian news are full of wrong informations..

Example from previous page posted by joey.

Title: India to design ABM on US lines: Kalam
Author:
Publication: The Times of India
Date: 1/5/2000
URL: http://www.timesofindia.com/050100/05home5.htm
Contact: editor@timesofindia.com

PUNE: India is to design a state-of-the-art anti-ballistic missile
(ABM) system on the lines of the US Star-Wars system, according to A P
J Abdul Kalam, the architect of Indian missiles programme. And while...

The US spent billions of dollars on their system and has tested many times...
How can primitive indian missiles that can barely hit a stationary target be the lines of the US system? lol

Like i said before, this is just another feel good story from DRDO that only an indian could believe.

Please continue..very entertaining

Can ABMs be used to wipe out AWACs? I'm sure it would be cost effective if possible? If the range of the ABMs is increased and it is possible to knock of AWACs, would AWACS be compelled to stay out of range? Could the range be increased such that operating AWACS from Pakistani soil becomes impossible in a conflict scenario? I'm trying to read up from a few sources, but if you've some insights, lemme know.

Actually, all the Indian news are full of wrong informations..


How can primitive indian missiles that can barely hit a stationary target be the lines of the US system? lol

>>>>>>>>>>>


Ok lets say we agree with you that the Indian press is full of wrong informations and propaganda..

tell me how 2 primitive missiles one going at 3 kms/sec and another at some mach 10 intersect and destroy each other.

Since you seem to be so certain you sure must have some idea what happened or did not.

lol, north, dont mind him, he's merely a troll.... some peole have nothing better to do when their own gov. has done nothing, so they go over to other threads and flamebait on other's success...

Originally Posted by joey

Archer India Denied Pac - 3 too, asked for full access to Arrow 2.
France/Congress/Pakistan etc etc said No then US denied that.

Whaaaat? Since when France and Pakistan have say in either Pac-3 or Arrow 2?

Well i'll dig the articles and find out.

Congress did.
Pakistan told US not to as it will be unfair.
France did about MCTR.

Archer Check your PM.

Originally Posted by northface

Have been reading through your links and posts, pretty interesting.

Thanks.

Just some dumb questions, but how do normal ABMs seek the incoming BM at the last stages which i guess must be in milli seconds? IR, radar based homing, any other means for seeking? How exactly is the incoming BM destabilized? Is there a physical hit necessary or is some sort of warhead explosive in the incoming BMs proximity adequate to destabilze it?

The answer is- it depends. You can have optical discrimination from imaging infrared sensors to intercept the missile (although you need your own interceptor to not be rushing forth at the time- your own friction would render such a sensor meaningless). In otherwords, the optical sensors would be used on onboard payload, which would be deployed to kill an incoming missile/ its MIRVs.

Another method would be to use radar, again susceptible to heat, but can work.

It all depends on your own technology state and ability. The US is going for intercepting ICBMs with multiple MIRVs- those are the only missiles that can reach it; it has the ability to field highly sophisticated and expensive optical payloads and killing vehicles. And finetune this via incredibly expensive and timeconsuming tests. Its earlier PAC-2 series and the PAC-3 have anti-TBM capability as it is. India, in contrast, is sticking to a more limited system targetted against TBMs and IRBMs, since thats what it faces from Pak/ China, depending on active radar seekers with midcourse guidance to the missile (bypassing the russian approach of having missiles guided purely by their powerful engagement radars).

I've read some report of a Kinetic warhead 'hit to kill'..whats that mean?

Exactly what the words suggest- instead of a proximity fuse and explosion offset from the vehicle, you directly hit it to kill it.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ogy/tests.html

The somewhat skeptical tone adopted towards the description is typical of journalists; make no mistakes whats described above is the hardest of all tasks.

Originally Posted by 1bs

Actually, all the Indian news are full of wrong informations..

Praise Allah!

The US spent billions of dollars on their system and has tested many times...
How can primitive indian missiles that can barely hit a stationary target be the lines of the US system? lol

Like i said before, this is just another feel good story from DRDO that only an indian could believe.

Please continue..very entertaining

Obviously the infidel Indians will have their stomachs roasted in hell.

"I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are pretending things which have never taken place."

- Comical Ali, 1Bs November 2006