Future Battleship/Capital Ship Discussion

[Feanor]

Assuming you were called up by the U.S. (or any other superpower) government and put in charge of designing a new generation of battleships, how would you go about doing it? The purpose of the design is to create a weapon capable of providing effective artillery support to ground troops, destroying enemy vessels at long range, and acting in conjunction with, as well as independently of, existing carrier battle groups.

Try to take into consideration things like propellant (nuclear v.s. conventional), weapon system (guided, unguided etc.), size (a large cruiser, or a small floating island), and crew.

[gunnut]

Try this thread:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/bat...attleship.html

[Dreadnought]

Sure its possible. They even do it in the future except they use the "wave motion" gun and the Yamato

My little nephew sent me this utube link its pretty cool and asked me uncle Dread is this what its like and I was like dumbfounded. I told him if it was then uncle Dread is an astronaut.

Thought Rusty,Pal and Rick would get a kick out of this also.

YouTube - Star Blazers - Wave Motion Gun

[RustyBattleship]

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Thought Rusty,Pal and Rick would get a kick out of this also.

YouTube - Star Blazers - Wave Motion Gun

Ah, but I remember the first animated story of Space Cruiser Yamato. The drawing techiques had been revised so they were more accurate than some of the very cheap cartoons that were taking up Saturday mornings and boring the kids to death with moving lips implanted over static drawings.

And it had one of the most dramatic scenes ever imagined and that was where the secretly modified Yamato was rising out of the mud and slime of the dried up ocean, shaking off the clods of crud and rising as a shining new space ship.

Really neat.

[RAL's_pal?]

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Thought Rusty,Pal and Rick would get a kick out of this also.

That's 4:55 I'll never get back.......

[RustyBattleship]

Originally Posted by RAL's_pal?

That's 4:55 I'll never get back.......

LOL. It was nothing like the original.

[Dreadnought]

Originally Posted by RAL's_pal?

That's 4:55 I'll never get back.......

Aww cmon Pal you've spent more time heading for the pier and "smoke break"

[RAL's_pal?]

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Aww cmon Pal you've spent more time heading for the pier and "smoke break"

I was the original work-a-holic. When I didn't have anything to do, I went on board ship and studied systems, like steam and radar cooling. cRusty didn't know me on the ships, but a good friend of his, Swan, who was a Project Manager on many of the overhauls I worked on, can back me up.

People in my trade (insulators) who smoke are like 1000 times more likely to get asbestosis and related lung diseases than the non-smoker. I know of only one smoker left from my shop who's still alive.

[gunnut]

Hey I remember that. That was the first combat firing of the wave motion gun, against the floating continent on Jupiter.

Here's a trivia: The theme of Space Cruiser Yamato is also being played by the band of the Japanese navy at official functions...or so I've heard.

I thought that cartoon was the coolest thing ever when I was growing up. Then Transformers and G.I.Joe showed up.

[RustyBattleship]

Originally Posted by gunnut

I thought that cartoon was the coolest thing ever when I was growing up. Then Transformers and G.I.Joe showed up.

You have to be old enough (like me and Pal) to remember the first Space Cruiser Yamato film was a break through in animation.

Back in the 40's and 50's animated cartoons were done at 8 to 16 frames per second. The more frames per second, the more realistic were the movements of the characters (Snow White, Dumbo, etc.). But each frame was a separate cell (or painting on a transparent sheet of celluloid). When TV came along with Saturday mornings devoted to cartoons to keep the kiddies inside and under supervision, it was too expensive and too time consuming to draw that many cells for even 8 frames per second. So they started reducing them to 6 and 4.

Standard 8mm movie cameras were at 16 fps, 16mm cameras at 24 fps and professional 35mm cameras at 48 fps.

The quality of the reduced frames cartoons was horrible and the scenes so jumpy they were hard on the eyes. The worst was where only static drawings of the characters were "flash carded" on the screen and close ups of a character speaking was an overlay of a real person's lips over the drawing.

The Japanese animators found a better way to do higher quality cartoons using a lot of duplicate overlays of the characters and only drawing the backgrounds separately. They developed so many duplicate positions that the viewer can't tell the difference. At least an adult couldn't (pre-schoolers spotted it right away because they have better concentration - when they want to).

Since then animated films have come back into higher quality and presently Computer Generated Imagry has almost taken over. For example, "Star Wars - Episode One" was one huge film of CGI with only a couple of live actors and all of the aliens being "cartoons".

[gunnut]

Originally Posted by RustyBattleship

For example, "Star Wars - Episode One" was one huge film of CGI with only a couple of live actors and all of the aliens being "cartoons".

If you watch carefully in episode 2 and 3, certain scenes in Palpatine's apartment or whatever, the background looks very flat. The actors were clearly in front of a green screen. I just thought Lucas would be better at making the background not so "flat" looking.

I thought one of the best cartoons using both traditional type animation and computer background technique was Futurama.

[RustyBattleship]

Originally Posted by gunnut

If you watch carefully in episode 2 and 3, certain scenes in Palpatine's apartment or whatever, the background looks very flat. The actors were clearly in front of a green screen. I just thought Lucas would be better at making the background not so "flat" looking.

I thought one of the best cartoons using both traditional type animation and computer background technique was Futurama.

Yeah. Lucas really cheapened the effects up.

Walt Disney's "Fantasia" is perhaps the best of all custom drawn animated films but horribly long.

But I have a problem with "Bambi". When Bambi's mother gets shot, we have this one red-neck friend who yells "Bulls Eye".

You guys can add this to your red-neck jokes if you like.

[Feanor]

Originally Posted by gunnut

If you watch carefully in episode 2 and 3, certain scenes in Palpatine's apartment or whatever, the background looks very flat.

Speaking of palpatine you guys should see this: YouTube - Robot Chicken-Star Wars phone call

[gunnut]

What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?

Much better clip: YouTube - Papa Palpatine

[RustyBattleship]

I think this thread has lost it's train of thought.