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Thread: Upkeep of the Iowa Class BBs 16" Main Guns

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    Upkeep of the Iowa Class BBs 16" Main Guns

    My question is how do they intend to keep up the machinery that operates the 16" guns.

    I understand that they may never be used again, but I would hate to see that kind of machinery go to rot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow01 View Post
    My question is how do they intend to keep up the machinery that operates the 16" guns.

    I understand that they may never be used again, but I would hate to see that kind of machinery go to rot.
    That depends upon the interpretation of someone in Capitol Hill who doesn't understand anything about guns. When New Jersey was inactivated, Bremerton was ordered to "demilitarize" the 16" guns by welding up the gears so a thief couldn't steal one and use it to hold up a liquor store. Fortunately it was only some tack welds that were easily ground off.

    BATFE rules state that guns that use semi-fixed ammunition do not fall under regulations for registration. Though the rule was made to allow people to own muzzle loaders of any caliber, it technically allows unfettered ownership of the 16" guns that use a separate primer, separate powder bags and separate projectile. Even the 5"/38's fall under that category as the propellent case is manually dropped into the loading tray first and then followed by dropping in the projectile ahead of it.

    A 3"/50, 40 mm Bofors & 20 mm machine guns however use pre-fixed ammunition where primer, powder and projectile are all in one piece. I think you have to have a class 3 license to own one. However, they can be legally demilitarized but still legally able to fire blank cartridges. This is done by welding a plug with a sub-caliber hole in it near just behind the muzzle. The plug allows enough gas pressure from the blank cartridge to operate the mechanism and the hole is large enough to throw out flame and smoke but not a projectile.

    This is a trick the movie studios came up with for automatic pistols, sub-machineguns, M-1 Garands, etc. But rather than welding a plug in the highly desirable Garands they tapped a thread in the muzzle and merely screwed in a holed plug. I inspected a number of Garands and Lugers at the preview weekend of the MGM studios auction several years ago and noticed the threading in the muzzles. But of guns being put up for auction, every one looked like it had been through every battle of WW II, dropped several times and never cleaned up. So I didn't bid on any of them (they were used by other actors in the background while the up front camera stars had better grade weapons that were NOT put up for auction).

    Back to your question: The main and secondary batteries of a museum/memorial warship can be maintained for rotation and elevation. Perhaps even made allowable to fire blanks for celebrations. But it takes people to do so. So every memorial ship we have can use as many volunteers as possible to work on these things. And not just the guns but other maintenance items such as power, lighting, plumbing, etc.
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    Thanks again Rusty!

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    Without going into much detail, they are all restorable as we use both the 40mm and 5"/38 aboard today. There are also "coming attractions" possible in the future.
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    Thank you!

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    "Coming Attractions" - you mean we're gonna bombard SanFran for all the idiocy? Call me, I'll for sure voulenteer to help on that one

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB61Vet View Post
    "Coming Attractions" - you mean we're gonna bombard SanFran for all the idiocy? Call me, I'll for sure voulenteer to help on that one
    *LOL Vet, You still can, bombard their Legislature with letters, I hope as time moves forward they will finally realize the mistake they made. That and IMO the tow cost to get her out there in the first place should be refunded to the ship and used for her upkeep. Had they not "spoofed" her with their politics she would have had a better amount of routine maintenance instead of sitting in the Reserve Fleet like a hulk.

    All due respect to the men and women that watched over her and did what they could for her while she was in their care and the budgets they were afforded.
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    [QUOTE=Dreadnought;854483 All due respect to the men and women that watched over her and did what they could for her while she was in their care and the budgets they were afforded.[/QUOTE]

    That's very true. MARAD took tender loving care of the Iowa. Whenever there was excess haze gray paint to be used up before the end of the fiscal year, it was used on the Iowa. Whenever they found some teak, they had it installed on the Iowa. They made sure the dehumidification machines were going and had electrical power for them (440 volts) as well as standard lighting throughout the ship.

    My hat is off to them.
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    That depends upon the interpretation of someone in Capitol Hill who doesn't understand anything about guns. When New Jersey was inactivated, Bremerton was ordered to "demilitarize" the 16" guns by welding up the gears so a thief couldn't steal one and use it to hold up a liquor store. Fortunately it was only some tack welds that were easily ground off.

    Dick, I can say they have been exercised/elevated manually several times, a few times when they had to replace the bucklers on each gun and for display purposes. I have also seen the training pinions and rack assembly. They are well greased and looked like they were well cared for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post

    Dick, I can say they have been exercised/elevated manually several times, a few times when they had to replace the bucklers on each gun and for display purposes. I have also seen the training pinions and rack assembly. They are well greased and looked like they were well cared for.
    Yes, I heard some time ago that was one of the first things you guys did was to get the guns to move around again. I'm very glad to have that confirmed by you. Now all you need is electrical and hydraulic power to be restored to show them in full operation.

    But don't try to fire any rounds out of them. Not even blanks. I doubt you have enough insurance to replace all the broken windows in Camden (as if there were not enough already).

    No kidding. When I started work at LBNSY back in 1954, we still had at least the Wisky around as well as some gorgeous 8" gun Cruisers. The North cliffs of San Clemente Island (about a hundred miles south) was used for target practice. We could hear the guns firing all the way up to Long Beach, if the wind was in the right direction.

    Of course, the residents in San Diego weren't too happy about that. I can just hear a wife now yelling, "Damn that Battleship. Now the cake I was baking for the church sale just flattened out".
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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBattleship View Post
    Yes, I heard some time ago that was one of the first things you guys did was to get the guns to move around again. I'm very glad to have that confirmed by you. Now all you need is electrical and hydraulic power to be restored to show them in full operation.

    But don't try to fire any rounds out of them. Not even blanks. I doubt you have enough insurance to replace all the broken windows in Camden (as if there were not enough already).

    No kidding. When I started work at LBNSY back in 1954, we still had at least the Wisky around as well as some gorgeous 8" gun Cruisers. The North cliffs of San Clemente Island (about a hundred miles south) was used for target practice. We could hear the guns firing all the way up to Long Beach, if the wind was in the right direction.

    Of course, the residents in San Diego weren't too happy about that. I can just hear a wife now yelling, "Damn that Battleship. Now the cake I was baking for the church sale just flattened out".
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    Dread,
    If they give you guys too much .... and if you can find enough powder, I'll donate my projectile on the condition I get to fire it with a full load. Now THAT would be an experience.

    Good to read the updates on how things are coming along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlturbo View Post
    Dread,
    If they give you guys too much .... and if you can find enough powder, I'll donate my projectile on the condition I get to fire it with a full load. Now THAT would be an experience.

    Good to read the updates on how things are coming along.

    Terry

    Thanks Terry but the real BL&P dummy projectiles we have. We recieved quite a few over the last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    Thanks Terry but the real BL&P dummy projectiles we have. We recieved quite a few over the last year.
    I hope they're all earmarked "San Francisco City Hall"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB61Vet View Post
    I hope they're all earmarked "San Francisco City Hall"
    What a terrible thing to do to a perfectly good shell.
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