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People like who ?

Scramjet projectile tested

Wanted to give you some info on the 16" Scramjet projectiles tested under the HARP project with Gerald Bull back in the early 60's. They successfully test fired 16" Scramjet Projectiles: http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/pse/docs/63-4.pdf

I have been emailing back in forth with Andrew J. Higgins, Department of Mechanical Eng., Assistant Professor at McGill University Shock Wave Physics Group, Montreal, Quebec CANADA. He has been quite helpful and also seems interested in the subject of using the 16" Iowa Class Battleship guns. He has also said that Sannu Molder, who designed the 16" Scramjet Projectile for HARP is still around and is currently working with Ryerson Polytechnic University in Toronto and would be happy to discuss his work: smolder@acs.ryerson.ca

Andrew's background is from a project called the Ram Accelerator, which is a ramjet/scramjet that does not carry fuel on board, but rather flies down a tube filled with premixed fuel & oxidizer at high pressure (50-200 bar). Due the high pressure, the accelerations of the projectile are tremendous (50,000g's) and nearly constant, making the device capable of accelerating projectiles to velocities greater than conventional guns: http://students.washington.edu/~buckwadl/RAM/ram.html

The Ram Accelerator has already been successfully scaled up to 120 mm bore by the US Army Research Lab, and is currently being funding by the U.S. Navy as a possible "muzzle extension" to the current 5" guns to increase muzzle velocity and range. If you want to learn more about the ram accelerator, you can contact Prof. Adam Bruckner at the University of Washington:

bruckner@aa.washington.edu
Aeronautics & Astronautics, UW College of Engineering

Bruckner also worked on Project HARP at McGill in the 1960's

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And we have what that can sustain them until? (blah-blah snipped)

And what's that got to do with the price of tea in China ?

a supposed heavyier rate of fire.

A demonstrated higher rate of fire.

Guess that "mystique" label dont agree with the statement you agreed with above concerning how many planes could have been spared.

Wrong guess.

Show me the study where the Marines supposedly calculated that "80 percent of 1,067 U.S. planes lost in Vietnam could have been saved had battleships fought the entire war" and stop blowing hot air.

Obviously the corps as a whole dont state that

I'd love to see the Corps release an official bio of Kelley saying he was one of Lehman's (spit, puke, gag ) minions and the worst Commandant in the past 25 years, but, for some reason, it's not going to happen...

And how many of her critics actaully do?

And how many of said critics are liars claiming to have combat experience with battleships when they have none whatsoever ?

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And what's that got to do with the price of tea in China ?

A demonstrated higher rate of fire.

AND...More manpower, less reach, and retired after 15 years of service. The Iowas gave much much much longer.


Wrong guess.

Show me the study where the Marines supposedly calculated that "80 percent of 1,067 U.S. planes lost in Vietnam could have been saved had battleships fought the entire war" and stop blowing hot air.

*Where have I ever said they did. Did you notice the author's name?

I'd love to see the Corps release an official bio of Kelley saying he was one of Lehman's (spit, puke, gag ) minions and the worst Commandant in the past 25 years, but, for some reason, it's not going to happen...

So in other words critcisms...worthless!

Hind sight is ALWAYS 20/20.



And how many of said critics are liars claiming to have combat experience with battleships when they have none whatsoever ?

Do you know? Please do share.

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Scramjet projectile tested
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That BS from Carlton Meyer's website doesn't count.

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That BS from Carlton Meyer's website doesn't count.

Why not? Its a source. One that offers a contact for those interested. So please do explain why this "dont count"

Also perhaps why not contact the gentlemen named in the article if it is in fact complete as you say "BS".

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Also perhaps why not contact the gentlemen named in the article if it is in fact complete as you say "BS".

I don't need to contact Carlton Meyer & Co. to know that what these morons say is full BS.

Feel free to waste your time as much as you want.

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I don't need to contact Carlton Meyer & Co. to know that what these morons say is full BS.

Feel free to waste your time as much as you want.

I have been emailing back in forth with Andrew J. Higgins, Department of Mechanical Eng., Assistant Professor at McGill University Shock Wave Physics Group, Montreal, Quebec CANADA. He has been quite helpful and also seems interested in the subject of using the 16" Iowa Class Battleship guns. He has also said that Sannu Molder, who designed the 16" Scramjet Projectile for HARP is still around and is currently working with Ryerson Polytechnic University in Toronto and would be happy to discuss his work: smolder@acs.ryerson.ca

So why not cut time and go straight to the man above? Supposedly he was the designer so he should be the source for discussion about it. Unless ofcoarse since YOU say so.

Feel free to waste your time as much as you want.

*If it brings about the truth of the matter then why worry about wasting time. As per this discussion/thread its well worth it

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less reach

Can you name the ship which made the longest gunfire mission during Vietnam ?

What was the bore diameter of the main battery that ship had ?

Mmhhhh....

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Can you name the ship which made the longest gunfire mission during Vietnam ?

What was the bore diameter of the main battery that ship had ?

Mmhhhh....

Why not rephrase the question: Not what class could fire the longest gunfire support mission during Vietnam but more like what class was called upon at the time to do the job.)

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So why not cut time and go straight to the man above? Supposedly he was the designer so he should be the source for discussion about it. Unless ofcoarse since YOU say so.

I've already wasted too much time with all those HARP fetishists.

Like I said earlier, feel free to waste your time as much as you want. That's your problem, not mine.

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Why not rephrase the question: Not what class could fire the longest gunfire support mission during Vietnam but more like what class was called upon at the time to do the job.

So you don't know the answer ?

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I've already wasted too much time with all those HARP fetishists.

Like I said earlier, feel free to waste your time as much as you want. That's your problem, not mine.

Not my problem, you asked in an open forum who? Well I posted the info and you attempt to shoot it down without openly discussing it here in forum or posting corespondance with said designer of such projectile (of which I give you name and email link) that "dont exist" because you say so and its my problem to prove you wrong? Since you are calling the others "wrong" just exactly what do you offer in relation to prove yourself correct? I'm all ears)

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So you don't know the answer ?

Should I? I could research (very very quickly) it but I'll do you one better. I dont know. Can you say that?:P

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Since you are calling the others "wrong" just exactly what do you offer in relation to prove yourself correct?

This entire scramjet BS is just hot air (LOL).

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And what's that got to do with the price of tea in China ?

Probably more than saying "What a bunch of POO POO" maybe?