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    Just came across this on the wire this morning on aol.

    (Dec. 28) -- American troops have been fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan for more than four years, but just one soldier from those wars has received the Medal of Honor, the nation's highest military honor for bravery.

    The lack of such medals — by comparison, two were awarded for fighting in Somalia — reflects today's unconventional warfare and the superior weaponry of U.S. forces, military experts say. It's not that today's troops lack valor, but they lack opportunities to display it in the extraordinary way that would merit the Medal of Honor.

    "The situations today are less likely to warrant the Medal of Honor than in past conflicts," says Nicholas Kehoe, president of the Congressional Medal of Honor Foundation. "That doesn't mean our troops aren't acting courageously or even heroically."

    Kehoe, a retired Air Force lieutenant general and not a recipient of the medal, says the dominance of air power and the use of such tools as night-vision goggles give U.S. forces huge advantages. "We don't charge up hills with machine gun nests anymore," he says.


    "The things you have to do to win (a Medal of Honor) are so rare, so unusual."
    -David Burrelli, a specialist in national defense for the Congressional Research Service

    The insurgents' tactics in Iraq — remotely detonated explosives and suicide bombers — also mean U.S. troops often don't have the opportunity to respond heroically.

    "We don't have full frontal battles, like the Battle of the Bulge," says David Burrelli, a specialist in national defense for the Congressional Research Service.

    Charles Moskos, a military sociologist at Northwestern University, points out that patrolling where insurgents plant bombs takes courage. However, it doesn't require the out-of-the-ordinary valor required for the Medal of Honor, he says.

    "It reflects the nature of this war," Moskos says. "Not the lack of heroes."

    The Medal of Honor, at the "tip of the pyramid" of honors available to U.S. forces, is meant to be awarded infrequently, Burrelli says. Troops receive the medal only for risking their lives in acts so courageous that failing to perform them would not trigger any criticism, he says. It is awarded by the president in the name of Congress and is often referred to as the Congressional Medal of Honor.

    The Army's second top honor, the Distinguished Service Cross, has been awarded twice to soldiers fighting in Iraq. Next is the Silver Star; 174 have been issued, according to the Army. In Afghanistan, there has been one Distinguished Service Cross and 37 Silver Stars. The Navy has awarded three Navy Crosses and 30 Silver Stars since Sept. 11, 2001.

    "The things you have to do to win (a Medal of Honor) are so rare, so unusual," Burrelli says. "Millions of people have served in the armed forces, and only a couple thousand have received one. What they would have to do would be so phenomenal, so over the top, that it just doesn't happen very often."

    It has happened in recent conflicts.

    Master Sgt. Gary Gordon and Sgt. 1st Class Randall Shughart received the award posthumously. They protected critically wounded comrades whose helicopter had crashed in hostile territory in Mogadishu, Somalia, on Oct. 3, 1993. Their heroism was depicted in the movie Black Hawk Down.

    There were no Medals of Honor awarded during the Gulf War. After weeks of bombing, allied ground forces whipped the Iraqi army in a 100-hour campaign.


    "It reflects the nature of this war. Not the lack of heroes."
    -Charles Moskos, a military sociologist at Northwestern University

    The most recent act to merit the Medal of Honor came on April 4, 2003. On that day, Sgt. 1st Class Paul Smith, his position near the Baghdad airport nearly overrun, hastily organized a defense.
    Under fire, Smith climbed onto a damaged armored vehicle and attacked the enemy with a .50-caliber machine gun. He killed as many as 50 enemy soldiers and helped save the lives of 100 Americans.

    On April 4, 2005, President Bush presented the Medal of Honor to Smith's widow, Birgit.

    "It doesn't surprise me that more people haven't gotten it," says Birgit Smith, 39, of Holiday, Fla. "It's so hard to do."

    There could be more troops from Iraq and Afghanistan who have been nominated for the Medal of Honor. The Defense Department does not comment on nominations, Burrelli says. It can take years to confirm that a Medal of Honor should be awarded, Kehoe says.

    Moskos says the lack of them might be coloring perception of the Iraq war. Some names often associated with the war are infamous or tainted by controversy.

    Moskos refers to Pfc. Lynndie England, who received a three-year sentence for abusing Iraqi prisoners, and Jessica Lynch, who says the government exaggerated aspects of her capture and release in Iraq to boost confidence in the war.

    12/28/05

    http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/arti...00010000000001
    Last edited by Dreadnought; 28 Dec 05,, 16:15.
    Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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    American troops have been fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan for more than four years, but just one soldier from those wars has received the Medal of Honor, the nation's highest military honor for bravery.

    The lack of such medals — by comparison, two were awarded for fighting in Somalia — reflects today's unconventional warfare and the superior weaponry of U.S. forces, military experts say. It's not that today's troops lack valor, but they lack opportunities to display it in the extraordinary way that would merit the Medal of Honor.
    Thats says something about enemy too.
    Hala Madrid!!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by indianguy4u
      Thats says something about enemy too.
      As an example, Shughart and Gordon won their MOH after going to the rescue of a downed helicopter because a ground convoy was unable to find the helicopter to secure it.

      In Iraq, after a helicopter was downed in the middle of a completely hostile environment (Tall Afar, SEP 04), just as in Mogadishu, using current technology, a platoon with four Strykers was able to reach the crash site within minutes and a company with around a dozen Strykers reached the crash site in about an hour or so. Instead of 2 posthumously awarded Medals of Honor and a captured pilot, 0 Americans were killed while 112 enemy were killed.

      So, your assertion is very weak. What the article doesn't reveal is the number of valorous medals that have been awarded, which number in the thousands.
      "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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      • #4
        Thats says something about enemy too.

        True thats one way of looking at it. The other way is 1 U.S. soldier killed 50 insurgents and saved numerous lives in the process.
        Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by shek
          As an example, Shughart and Gordon won their MOH after going to the rescue of a downed helicopter because a ground convoy was unable to find the helicopter to secure it.

          In Iraq, after a helicopter was downed in the middle of a completely hostile environment (Tall Afar, SEP 04), just as in Mogadishu, using current technology, a platoon with four Strykers was able to reach the crash site within minutes and a company with around a dozen Strykers reached the crash site in about an hour or so. Instead of 2 posthumously awarded Medals of Honor and a captured pilot, 0 Americans were killed while 112 enemy were killed.

          So, your assertion is very weak. What the article doesn't reveal is the number of valorous medals that have been awarded, which number in the thousands.
          No. If my knowledge is right US soldiers were a speck in the sea of somalis, while in iraq they are everywhere. Maybe few tens/hundred kms away, but still nearer.
          Hala Madrid!!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by indianguy4u
            Thats says something about enemy too.
            What does it say about the enemy?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by indianguy4u
              No. If my knowledge is right US soldiers were a speck in the sea of somalis, while in iraq they are everywhere. Maybe few tens/hundred kms away, but still nearer.
              You're not getting my example. In Somalia, a second Blackhawk got downed. They couldn't navigate to the crash site. Therefore, two snipers had to be inserted in a last ditch effort to buy time so someone could get to the crash site. Failed communications, failed navigation, and failed contingency plans led to this. Shughart and Gordon gave their lives to buy more time for a chance at getting a team to the site to properly secure it.

              In my Iraq example, a Kiowa got downed. They could navigate to the crash site, they could communicate properly, they could secure the crash site. The introduction of communications systems such as Blue Force Tracker, Force XXI Battlefield Command Brigade and Below, satellite communications on the move, etc. allowed a smaller overall contingent of forces in Tall Afar to maneuver more quickly into a position to where a last ditch, Medal of Honor type stand wasn't required.

              In both cases, you had tribal militias fighting the US military, armed with AK-47s, RPKs, and RPGs. The enemy really hadn't changed, but the US military had.
              "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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              • #8
                In case you don't know the math, in Tall Afar you had two battalions of US infantry fighting the insurgents. In Mogadishu, you had a Ranger company plus a significant number of spec ops attachments, a battalion task force from the 10th MTN, plus a large UN contingent that ended up leading the relief column that extracted the Rangers on the morning of the second day. There were more friendly forces in the AO in Mogadishu than there were in Tall Afar. What you had was better communications and therefore a better employment of forces in Tall Afar.
                "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by shek
                  In Somalia, a second Blackhawk got downed.
                  Sorry. My knowledge of somalian ops is ltd to Black hawk down[hollywood movie], i thought u were explaining that operation. My mistake.
                  Hala Madrid!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by indianguy4u
                    Sorry. My knowledge of somalian ops is ltd to Black hawk down[hollywood movie], i thought u were explaining that operation. My mistake.
                    No problem - I'd suggest you read the book if you find the movie interesting, it provides a much better picture of what occured. You can only fit so much into a two hour movie and still have a plot line that audiences will enjoy.

                    If I were going to make a comment about the current enemy, in some cases they are qualitatively inferior to the VietCong or the Wehrmacht, Japanese, where in others they are just as good. Where the difference lies is in the quantitative amount of enemy (20K insurgents vs. > 100K insurgents in Vietnam plus >100K conventional NVA), which leads to the more important factor - the enemy simply doesn't mass in Iraq because they get decimated, leading to fewer prolonged battles.
                    "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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                    • #11
                      Is it hit & run attacks, like we have in kashmir?
                      Hala Madrid!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by indianguy4u
                        Is it hit & run attacks, like we have in kashmir?
                        That is the standard motif.

                        Here's a recent press briefing from Iraq

                        http://www.mnf-iraq.com/Transcripts/051208.htm

                        Click on the accompanying slide link, go to slide 3, and you'll see the breakdown of attacks during the six weeks prior to the elections in Ramadi, which is the strongest point of the insurgency right now. You'll see that out of 46 attacks, only one was classified as complex, meaning that it included a combination of small arms, RPG, IED, or mortar fire against US forces. So, an IED attack combined with small arms would receive a complex classification. Or an IED attack with RPG. Etc. etc.
                        "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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