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smilingassassin
05 Oct 05,, 07:47
If you could have changed one nations WW2 era fleet which one and how would you go about doing it? Would you change anything at all for say France?

dalem
05 Oct 05,, 08:36
If you could have changed one nations WW2 era fleet which one and how would you go about doing it? Would you change anything at all for say France?

Sure. I would have manned the French Fleet with British sailors.

-dale

smilingassassin
05 Oct 05,, 08:55
Lol, that may be all the improvement you need.

Seriously though pick a navy and make it better.

sparten
05 Oct 05,, 12:04
German Navy; Built more carriers. Imagine a KM with several flattops.

raj
05 Oct 05,, 16:04
German Navy; Built more carriers. Imagine a KM with several flattops.
world would have been different today

TopHatter
05 Oct 05,, 16:08
German Navy; Built more carriers. Imagine a KM with several flattops.

Or even a truly balanced navy...which would obviously make flattops a priority.
Other thing is having naval aircraft and trained pilots.

sparten
05 Oct 05,, 17:13
Or even a truly balanced navy...which would obviously make flattops a priority.
Other thing is having naval aircraft and trained pilots.

Hermann "I own Everything that flies" Goering made that quite difficult.

But imagine say four or five KM Fleet Carriers. With superior German Aircraft available to the KM you have it activly disputing the Atlantic, esp after the fall of France.

smilingassassin
06 Oct 05,, 11:32
Hell Even if the germans had of completed the Graf Zeppelin, a sister ship and the Wesser things would have greatly improved. They could have also finished Lutzow instead of selling her to the Russians giving them 4 heavy cruisers.

IMO the biggest flaw was that german destroyers were too large to be produced in significant numbers having build 39 destroyers over 2,200 tons and just 12 smaller ships just under 940 tons not to mention the huge 5.9" guns of the Z-28's on. These guns essentially made them small cruisers but they had almost half the range of their closest British equivilent, the Tribals.

If they had of designed a 1,700 ton DD with the 5" guns of the preceeding classes with a similar range to the british ships some of their battles could have gone differently. Emagine Scharnhorst and Bismarck with significant DD escorts. I'd rather sacrifice a few DD's making torpedo runs at the British ships rather than lose a BB.

troung
06 Oct 05,, 23:01
Japan...

Shipping, radar, subs with a doctrine of killing shipping not capital ships, and cheap DE ASW escorts...

smilingassassin
07 Oct 05,, 10:17
With Japan I'd forget about the Yamato class as designed and go for a go-between design of Nagato/Yamato, a ship to compair roughly to the North Carolina's. With the amount of materials that went into Yamato, Musashi and Shinano you could get 4 decent 45,000 ton designs.

Acer
07 Oct 05,, 14:35
US (at the start of the war), ignore damned treaties and built more carriers and other ships...

(also move battleships out of pearl harbor... lmao)

smilingassassin
07 Oct 05,, 23:21
Acctually the BB's they left in PH for the most part benifited from the interlude from the war having recieved nice refits.

I would have prefered that they had emptied the main magazines and kept the AA lockers unlocked and all a degree of watertight integrity of the outboard lieing BB's to prevent rapid capsizing and magazine explosions, but this is all using hindsight.