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    Honkin' Huge Helicopters
    Are Canadian Forces equipped for Afghan mission?


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    Thu Sep 29 2005

    By Dianne DeMille and Stephen Priestley


    In February, Canada will be sending an expeditionary force to the Pakistan-Afghan border to take part in combat under Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF). The question is: Are the Canadian Forces fully equipped for this mission?
    Defence Minister Bill Graham admitted in a Canadian Press report Sept. 14 that the forces won't have all the equipment that they need. "Heavy helicopters, for example -- we don't have any at the moment. They will be furnished either by the Dutch, the British, or the Americans, or by other allies."

    According to the article, the last time the Canada participated in OEF, our combat troops "relied exclusively on U.S. Chinook helicopters to get them in and out of battle zones, as well as to resupply them. The arrangement proved unsatisfactory, with the [Canadians] inevitably shuffled to the bottom of the Americans' overloaded priority lists. On one mission, [Canadian personnel] began running out of food and water before they were resupplied."

    Canada has no Chinook helicopters because the Mulroney government sold them to the Netherlands. Thus, the Dutch will be there on the Pakistan-Afghan border, fighting alongside us, killing Taliban resurgents, using our ex-Chinooks. Canadian Forces may have to beg for a ride.

    Sometimes usable, necessary assets are more valuable than the money you can get from selling them.

    Shortly after becoming Chief of Defence Staff, Gen. Rick Hillier made the acquisition of medium-lift helicopters a priority. The aircraft he had in mind was the Boeing CH-47 Chinook. This is the workhorse troop transport and re-supply aircraft required for modern, highly-mobile warfare. The Chinook can carry up to 44 fully-armed troops, it can also sling cargo from up to three belly hooks. Ungainly as the Chinook might appear, its unusual features give it a distinct advantage in southeast Afghanistan. In the mountains along the border, the air is thin, and summer temperatures can reach 50 C. In such 'hot-and-high' conditions, turbine engines lose power and rotor blades claw for lift. Most helicopters begin to lose the stabilizing effectiveness of their tail rotors. The counter-rotating Chinook, however, has no tail rotor.

    The twin-rotored configuration bestows other operational advantages on the Chinook. When troops use the aft loading ramp, the spinning blades of the rear rotor are safely high above them. The twin rotors also give the Chinook great stability. Skilled pilots can hover with only the rear landing wheels touching the ground to facilitate unloading. Chinook pilots in Afghanistan routinely use this technique to offload on uneven ground, or even onto rooftops.

    Minister Graham announced that it was "unlikely, given the nature of military procurement, [that] we would be able to acquire anything" in time for the February 2006 deployment, beyond some isolated pieces of equipment. Indeed, much of the money for badly-needed CF equipment is coming from 'operational contingency' funds. This ad hoc approach to purchasing can get minor items of new equipment into the field quickly, but it is also a tacit acknowledgment that the "official" procurement system has broken down completely.

    Money is not the biggest problem here -- it is timing. With a little over four months to go before Canadian troops return to combat, Chinooks are suddenly a priority. Air Staff have announced a plan to dispense with competitive bidding and speed up procurement of new aircraft -- including 20 new Chinooks. The trouble is, there are none to be had, not even for ready money. Everyone wants them.

    Given that Chinooks are currently unavailable to the CF, what are the options before the February deployment?

    First, temporarily use Canada's 15 CH-149 Cormorant search-and-rescue helicopters. The Cormorant is the closest in capabilities to the Chinook among aircraft already in service. These Cormorants are really utility transport helicopters adapted for search and rescue. As troop carriers, they could carry 30 fully-equipped soldiers plus crew. A powerful three-engined helicopter, the Cormorant can easily cope with 'hot-and-high' conditions and lifting heavy sling loads.

    Canadian Forces crews are already fully trained on the Cormorant, so redeployment involves little more than a coat of paint and a tranfer of personnel. Canada owns these helicopters, so it is a simple command decision -- no need to run the procurement gauntlets of cabinet, Public Works, Treasury Board, etc.

    The Cormorants, however, are having reliability problems and rapidly chewing through their parts supply. In addition, replacement helicopters would need to be found for search and rescue.

    There may be no ready fix to the reliability problems. So, Defence could simply buy as many tail rotor bits, and whatever other spare parts we need, and just get the job done.

    Finding replacements for the search and rescue role is the easy part. Most other countries farm this work out to civilian contractors. (After all, as traumatic as it may be to be lost in the wilderness, or find oneself aboard a foundering ship, such events are not really threats to national security.) One of the major international suppliers of contracted civilian SAR services -- helicopters and crews (including SAR technicians) -- is CHC based in St. John's. As it happens, CHC also features in our next suggestion.

    Second: Contract civilian medium-lift helicopters to fill in, until the Chinooks arrive.

    When Canadian Forces were involved with the UN Stabilization Force in Bosnia, medium-lift was provided by Russian-made Mil helicopters under a lease organized by Newfoundland's CHC. When the mission in Bosnia came under NATO control, the leased aircraft were replaced by similar Mil 17 helicopters from the Czech Air Force.

    Leased Mil 17s (and earlier Mil 8s) are already at work in Afghanistan. A "wet lease" is the typical arrangement -- ie: leasing the helicopter complete with flightcrew and fuel. Defence is fully familiar with such deals; it's how it was able to lease those enormous Russian-made strategic transport aircraft.

    The upside: Immediate availability and general Canadian familiarity with the capabilities of the Mil. The very low cost of Russian-made equipment also means that such a lease will take only a minor bite out of savings for future Chinook purchases. The downside: The Mil is smaller than both the Cormorant and the Chinook. A realistic troop load for the Mil 17 is 24 combat-ready soldiers. The external sling load is only 3,000 kilograms -- two-thirds that of a Cormorant, and less than a quarter that of a Chinook.

    There is also the uncertainty of civilian pilots going into a combat zone. Civilian Ukrainian and Russian aircrews flying into Sarajevo were willing to take almost unbelievable risks. But can such bravery be absolutely relied upon, even with a Canadian commander sitting in the 'jump seat'?

    There is one other Mil 17 option with a Canadian connection -- a lease-to-own arrangement. Kelowna Flightcraft has helped develop a modernized version of this helicopter, the Mi-17KF, which features a fully western cockpit and rear-loading ramp.

    These westernized Mi-17KF helicopters are produced in the Mil factory in Kazan, Russia -- a 3,000 kilometre flight to Kandahar. Compare that with the CF's two-day jet flights from CFB Trenton, doglegging through the Persian Gulf.

    Obviously, at the end of the lease, Canada would gain the assets. Total purchase price is important to the cash-strapped Canadian Forces. Current prices for new Mi-17s are listed at just over $5 million US -- a fifth the cost of replacement Cormorants, a tenth the likely cost of Chinooks.

    The third and final option is to follow the Air Force's advice and "hold out for the best."

    The upside: the Chinook is the best medium-lift helicopter. One wonders why the Air Force sacrificed their Chinooks when Mulroney's hatchet men came calling. There were other less critical aircraft that could have been offered up.

    The downside: In the short-term, this means relying on our long-suffering allies to transport Canadian troops in their Chinooks. When a procurement opportunity finally comes, global competition for Chinooks will be fierce and prices will climb. Maybe Defence will be able to buy new or rebuilt Chinooks before the shooting stops in Afghanistan. Probably not.

    So, the immediate options before Gen. Hillier reveal a tough choice. He can (1) order a coat of tan-coloured paint for the 15 SAR Comorants, (2) lease (or lease-to-own) Russian Mil 17s, or (3) beg-and-borrow allies' Chinooks until the Air Force is completely happy with its latest shopping list. The purpose of an analyst is to present options (however meagre). It will be up to Gen. Hillier to make the final recommendation to the defence minister and his cabinet colleagues.

    The real question is this: Are Canadian citizens content to send their Forces into one of the most dangerous parts of the world without adequate support equipment?
    To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

  • #2
    Interesting, allthough I can just emagine Washingtons responce to us buying Russian equipment. They really are reds!!!
    Facts to a liberal is like Kryptonite to Superman.

    -- Larry Elder

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    • #3
      We're going to beg, borrow, and steal from our allies. After the op is over, the civie beancounters would say we've just proved we didn't need to buy those birds.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
        We're going to beg, borrow, and steal from our allies. After the op is over, the civie beancounters would say we've just proved we didn't need to buy those birds.
        I seem to have misplaced a few dozen Chinooks....anybody seen them?
        “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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        • #5
          There is a saying in all Armies that the Army is equipped and trained for winning the last war!


          "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

          I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

          HAKUNA MATATA

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          • #6
            Originally posted by troung
            The real question is this: Are Canadian citizens content to send their Forces into one of the most dangerous parts of the world without adequate support equipment?
            I don't know about the citizens, but to the officials of the Canadian government, a vote for their party is much more important than the life of a canadian soldier.
            F/A-18E/F Super Hornet: The Honda Accord of fighters.

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            • #7
              I read a newspaper report about british soldiers give grand total of four rounds of bullet for the gulf war II.
              Hala Madrid!!

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              • #8
                I could beat the terrorists with a corona and a kebab. Of course the Canadians are well enough equipped to fight in Afghanistan.

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                • #9
                  Canada has about a brigade strength in Afghanistan, mainly from the 3 PPCLI Battle group and other supporting units. 1 helicoper unit (4 choppers) to support the infantry units during missions should suffice, and this can be leased out from any NATO country, so there is no need to immediatly buy anything off the shelf.
                  Colonel sir, correct me if I'm wrong about the CF force level.

                  Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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                  • #10
                    We have about two battle groups worth of troops (actually 5 companies) in Afghanistan, rotating between the battalions from Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry, Royal Canadian Regiment, and the Royal 22nd Regiment (Van Doos). Our rotations (8 months) are shorter than yours.

                    We have helos Griffens/Hueys but they're not suited for combat deployments which is the whole issue here.

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                    • #11
                      Colonel,

                      What tasks have been assigned to the Canadians.

                      Are they upto it i.e. can they accomplish the overall task?

                      Can they perform the missions assigned within the overall task?

                      Are they suitably equipped to complete the missions and the overall tasks?

                      Could you give me the rundown of who is doing what i.e. which country is looking after which sector etc?


                      "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                      I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                      HAKUNA MATATA

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                      • #12
                        Sir,

                        DND/CF : Backgrounder : Canadian Forces Operations in Afghanistan

                        BG–05.012 - July 21, 2005
                        Overview of Current Activities

                        Canada announced in May 2005 that it was reaffirming its strong defence commitment to Afghanistan. The Canadian Forces (CF) is renewing its presence in Kabul as part of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and deploying a Provincial Reconstruction Team (PRT) in Kandahar, as part of the United States-led campaign against terrorism called Operation ENDURING FREEDOM (OEF). In February 2006, the CF will further increase its presence in the south of Afghanistan by deploying a brigade headquarters and an army task force to Kandahar, where they will remain for nine and 12 months respectively.

                        Canada’s renewed military contribution in Afghanistan continues building on the success of our peace support operations to strengthen the security situation in the country. The CF commitment will also play a key role in accelerating the expansion of the ISAF mission in southern Afghanistan, expected to occur gradually in 2006, during which the Canadian PRT would transfer from Operation ENDURING FREEDOM to NATO leadership.
                        Operation ATHENA

                        Canada extended the mandate of its reconnaissance squadron based at Camp Julien near Kabul until late this fall with, starting in August 2005, the fifth deployment to Operation ATHENA, the Canadian contribution to ISAF. In doing so, the CF continues to provide ISAF with key intelligence, situational awareness, and helps facilitate the Afghan National Assembly and Provincial Council elections process.

                        As part of Operation ATHENA, Canadian soldiers conduct regular surveillance missions in the ISAF area of responsibility. They are also involved in a number of projects in cooperation with other members of the ISAF team. Of the 900 troops deployed on Operation ATHENA, about 700 are based at Camp Julien in Kabul; the rest are deployed elsewhere in southwest Asia in support of the mission.

                        Most of the CF personnel deploying on the fifth six-month rotation come from Land Force Central Area in Ontario. The CF is deploying the following forces during this rotation of Operation ATHENA:

                        * An armoured reconnaissance squadron group with Coyotes and LAV IIIs, based on a squadron of the Royal Canadian Dragoons (RCD) with an infantry element from the 3 rd Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment (3 RCR);
                        * An engineer squadron from 2 Combat Engineer Regiment, Petawawa, providing engineer support;
                        * An infantry company from the 2 nd Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment (2 RCR), which is responsible for force protection at Camp Julien;
                        * A Health Support Services unit from 2 Field Ambulance that provides medical and dental support to the Task Force;
                        * A National Support Element from 2 Service Battalion, Petawawa, responsible for delivering centralized administrative and logistics support services;
                        * A National Command Element that links the Chief of the Defence Staff in Ottawa with Commander Task Force Afghanistan (TFA) and his command structure;
                        * An airlift element in Camp Mirage, the Canadian support base located in southwest Asia, operating CC-130 Hercules tactical transport aircraft; and
                        * An infantry element from Land Force Central Area is also responsible for force protection in Camp Mirage.

                        After the Afghan National Assembly and Provincial Council elections scheduled for the fall of 2005, Camp Julien will close and remaining assets will move to Kandahar in preparation for the February 2006 deployment of a 250-strong brigade headquarters and an army task force of about 1,000 soldiers, which are expected to be in Kandahar for nine and 12 months respectively.
                        Operation ARCHER

                        In July 2005, a Theatre Activation Team of about 220 personnel from the Canadian Forces Joint Operations Group based in Kingston arrived in Kandahar to provide the support and install the infrastructure necessary for the arrival of the PRT.

                        Starting in August 2005, a Canadian Provincial Reconstruction Team begins operations in Kandahar, where it is expected to remain for 18 months. The PRT brings together personnel from the Canadian Forces (CF), Foreign Affairs Canada (FAC), the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA) and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) in an integrated Canadian effort.

                        Under Operation ARCHER, the Canadian contribution to Operation ENDURING FREEDOM, the PRT will reinforce the authority of the Afghan government in and around Kandahar and help stabilize and rebuild the region. It will also help monitor security, promote Afghan government policies and priorities with local authorities, and facilitate security sector reforms.

                        The PRT is being established in Kandahar City, and some of its support elements will operate from Kandahar International Airport. The PRT will include about 250 soldiers, drawn largely from Land Forces Western Area and 1 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group based in Edmonton, Alberta:

                        * An infantry company from the 3 rd Battalion, Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry (3 PPCLI);
                        * An engineer squadron from 1 Combat Engineer Regiment (1 CER);
                        * A combat support company from 1 Service Battalion (1 Svc Bn) and 1 General Support Battalion (1 GS Bn);
                        * Health and medical support from 1 Field Ambulance (1 Fd Amb); and
                        * Other specialized elements from various CF units.

                        The PRT will also help lay the groundwork for future Canadian missions in Kandahar with a view to creating a stable society under Afghan governance.

                        Operation ARCHER also comprises a small cadre of CF instructors helping train the Afghan National Army at Camp Julien.
                        Chronology of CF Contributions to the Campaign Against Terrorism

                        Since October 2001, when the United States launched Operation ENDURING FREEDOM, Canada has deployed 20 warships and more than 13,500 soldiers, sailors and air personnel in the international campaign against terrorism.
                        Operation APOLLO

                        Following the terrorist attacks in the U.S. on September 11, 2001, Canada committed military forces to the campaign against terrorism. Canada’s immediate military contribution to the campaign was a significant manifestation of our solidarity with our allies, and of our resolve in improving international security. On October 8, 2001, the former Minister of National Defence Art Eggleton announced the first CF commitments to the international campaign against terrorism: a Naval Task Group of four ships deployed to the Persian (Arabian) Gulf under Operation APOLLO.

                        In February 2002, Canada deployed the 3 PPCLI Battle Group under then Lieutenant-Colonel Pat Stogran to Kandahar, Afghanistan for a tour of six months. During this period, the soldiers of the 3 PPCLI Battle Group performed tasks ranging from airfield security to combat. This mission received airlift support from a Tactical Airlift Detachment, later named the Theatre Support Element (TSE), located in the Persian (Arabian) Gulf region.

                        Further information on Operation APOLLO can be found at http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/operati...lo/index_e.htm.
                        Operation ALTAIR

                        The Canadian Forces maritime contribution to the campaign against terrorism after October 2003, called Operation ALTAIR, consists of warships deployed individually to operate with U.S. carrier strike groups. The Halifax-class patrol frigate HMCS Toronto deployed with the USS George Washington Carrier Strike Group in the Persian (Arabian) Gulf region from January to July 2004. HMCS Winnipeg replaced HMCS Toronto in April 2005, and is committed for six months to operate with the 5 th Fleet of the United States Navy.
                        The International Security Assistance Force

                        The CF continued its participation in the stabilization and reconstruction of Afghanistan after August 2003 under Operation ATHENA, Canada’s contribution to ISAF. From February to August 2004, then Lieutenant-General Rick Hillier of Canada headed ISAF, with about 6,500 troops from 35 countries under his command.
                        Conclusion

                        In its contributions to ISAF and Operation ENDURING FREEDOM, Canada’s overarching goal is to prevent Afghanistan from relapsing into a failed state that gives terrorist and terrorist organizations a safe haven.

                        Canadian efforts in Afghanistan have significantly contributed to the overall consolidation of peace and the improvement of human security. Canada’s enhanced efforts continue to help improve the quality of life for the Afghan people and help ensure that the progress made is sustainable.

                        –30–

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                        • #13
                          Sir,

                          There is a feeling here amongst the members that DND (Department of National Defence) is preparing the Canadian public for intense casualties. What really surprised us was the recent disclosure that our Special Force unit, the Joint Task Force II, has been engaging in lethal combat against the Taliban/Al Qeida.

                          In the past, we were told to shut up even about the presence of JTF II (yes, they're the guys lifting weights while we're lifting tires - lazy bastards, ie they never seemed to do any work ... or rather, the kind of work they do we don't see ... but felt, the locals scream to us whenever JTF II screws around).

                          Also, Sir, the Bde HQ would be reporting directly to CENTCOM and not ISAF, ie, there is no peacekeeping mandate but a combat one. And the CDS has been less than subtle about the people we're going to fight and about it was inevitable we were going to suffer casualties.

                          And we're shipping artillery over.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Commando
                            I could beat the terrorists with a corona and a kebab. Of course the Canadians are well enough equipped to fight in Afghanistan.
                            As long as it's not several Corona's. Armed UAVs aren't cheap!
                            "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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                            • #15
                              We have helos Griffens/Hueys but they're not suited for combat deployments which is the whole issue here.
                              Still don't get why the things were bought in the first place... actually I do just saying...
                              To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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