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    Vietnam as India’s force multiplier

    The Chinese have used Pakistan to tether India. So India, writes Bharat Karnad, needs to forge military alliances in China’s backyard

    Posted online: Monday, October 03, 2005 at 0010 hours IST

    India's Ostpolitik involving the ASEAN and the ‘‘rimland’’ states farther afield — like Japan and South Korea — has been a success in great part because of naval diplomacy.

    Indian naval flotillas steaming into Asian ports, dropping anchor at Limpopo to showcase Indian designed missile destroyers, holding annual joint exercises in the Andaman Sea with the smaller littoral navies, exercising offshore during extended ‘‘goodwill’’ tours with the host country’s naval vessels and, generally, establishing a presence in proximal as well as distant seas constantly reminds these states of India’s strategic importance.

    The legendary Singapore leader Lee Kwan Yew referred to India and China as the two wings of a giant airplane. Without either of them, Asia, he implied, could not fly.

    What he tactfully left unsaid, but most Asian countries on China’s periphery believe, is that their security depends on the emergence of a militarily strong India as counterweight — because, notwithstanding its security commitments, in a crisis the United States can always choose to withdraw behind the moat of the Pacific Ocean.

    The pillars of an obvious and enduring Indian security architecture, if only the Indian government had the wit to envision it, are Israel and a Trucial State, like Oman, in the west and, in the east, ASEAN and Vietnam in China’s ‘‘soft underbelly’’, and Taiwan and Japan on the Chinese flank.

    Beijing may be apprehensive of a resurgent Japan but, of all the states on its border, it is most respectful of a militarily scrappy Vietnam, which prides itself on successfully fighting off the Chinese hegemon for ‘‘a thousand years’’. And most recently in 1979 gave the invading Chinese armies a bloody nose, which compelled Deng Xiaoping to do the prudent thing — speedily declare victory and get the hell out!

    BY cultivating a resolute Vietnam as a close regional ally and security partner in the manner China has done Pakistan, India can pay Beijing back in the same coin.

    China has strategically discomfited India and sought to ‘‘contain’’ it to south Asia by arming Pakistan with nuclear weapons and missiles. Militarily to focus on Pakistan — the Chinese cat’s paw — as India has done is unwise. The cat can be more effectively dealt with by enabling Vietnam — a smaller but spirited tomcat — to rise militarily as a consequential state in China’s immediate neighbourhood.

    In the short term, this should reasonably be the prime Indian strategic objective.

    An opportunity will arise on October 3, when a defence delegation led by Lt General Nguyen Thinh, head of the Vietnamese Defence Research Centre — the counterpart of India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation — begins its Indian trip. General Thinh is expected to ask for Indian help and technical assistance in acquiring a missile production capability.

    The problem is the Vietnamese want the Brahmos cruise missile, with which they promise to keep the Chinese Navy on the defensive in the South China Sea and the approaches to the Malacca Straits. This is an esteemable mission. The Indian government, acting sensibly, should help Vietnam achieve it.

    But the Brahmos, entering production stage, will have to be first inducted in goodly numbers in the Indian order-of-battle before a surplus can be generated for friendly states. And, in any case, technology transfer may be infeasible, at least initially.

    BUT there is the proven short-range Prithvi missile, with impressive accuracy, that India can part with because, with the family of Agni missiles in the fray, it has become redundant.

    The Prithvi in the arsenal highlights the Indian nuclear deterrent’s limited reach and clout and is something of an embarrassment. And deployed on the western border with Pakistan, it is destabilising. It can be give to the Vietnamese without in any way weakening the country’s security.

    Moreover, the Integrated Defence Staff, which favours it over the Brahmos even in naval missions, can pass on advice for using the Prithvi, other than in land-based operations, in the sea-surface sanitising mode the Vietnamese envisage. Further, the transaction for the sub-300 km range Prithvi is permissible under the Missile Technology Control Regime.

    In exchange for the conventional warheaded Prithvi now and the promise of more advanced missiles and other such strategic cooperation in the future, Hanoi should be persuaded to allow the Indian Navy a basing option in Cam Ranh Bay, unarguably the finest natural deep water harbour in Asia, to match the planned Chinese naval presence in Gwadar on the Baluchistan coast. This, in turn, can be bottled up by the IAF active out of the former RAF base at Gan, leased from the Maldives government.

    BUT Cam Ranh Bay is a heady attraction for the United States and China as well. Vietnam has turned down such approaches essentially because it distrusts them. In the past, when the Indian Navy requested access to Cam Ranh Bay, the Vietnamese pleaded this would upset the big powers. However, the offer of missiles and other such strategic cooperation should prevail over Vietnam’s inhibitions.

    The crucial question is: has the MEA the imagination to push this deal? Burdened by its pusillanimous take on diplomacy, which pooh-poohs military means of furthering national interest, for instance, it stopped the sale of second-hand corvettes and fast patrol craft to Mauritius and the Seychelles, forcing the navy to gift these in order to maintain goodwill.

    Worse, the MEA seems a laggard in strategic thinking. Its attitude was reflected in the response then foreign secretary K. Raghunath gave to the (first) National Security Advisory Board.

    To a question about India’s playing the ‘‘Vietnam card’’, he replied: ‘‘It is not practical.’’ That was six odd years ago. With all the strategic goings-on it has since been party to, one hopes the Foreign Office is a bit more canny these days.


    The writer is professor, Centre for Policy Research, New Delhi


    http://www.indianexpress.com/full_st...ntent_id=79278

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    Now what Vietnam has to gain by making China into an enemy with border issues solved and trade going strong... is anyones guess... this is not 1989...
    To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

  • #2
    India has a cordial equation with Vietnam.

    From the strategic point of view, it should be strengthened.

    Likewise, a greater equation should be built up with Kampuchea (Cambodia), Laos and Thailand.


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

    HAKUNA MATATA

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ray
      India has a cordial equation with Vietnam.

      From the strategic point of view, it should be strengthened.

      Likewise, a greater equation should be built up with Kampuchea (Cambodia), Laos and Thailand.
      Only problem is that Vietnam remembered the Friendship Treaty with the USSR and the 1979 War. They would no longer repeat the mistake of being someone else's proxy.

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      • #4
        India has a cordial equation with Vietnam. From the strategic point of view, it should be strengthened.
        Vietnam has good relations with China and is improving its economy and so forth, doing a lot of trade with China and not having to look towards the border. What does the nation have to gain by being a second front against China or simply joining into an alliance aimed at China? And no offense judging by Kargil-I/II I wonder how likely would India be to rush to Vietnam's aid versus China and of course vice versa...

        Buying some military equipment is one thing being a 2nd front is another...

        Likewise, a greater equation should be built up with Kampuchea (Cambodia), Laos and Thailand.
        Thailand is rather close to China since the 1970s. A lot of RTA/RTN equipment is of Chinese orgin and they of course are adding to that. Laos is between Vietnam and China and the younger Communist leadership wants to move closer to China. Cambodia is and will be for some time rather toothless and at that they have relations with China.

        Only problem is that Vietnam remembered the Friendship Treaty with the USSR and the 1979 War. They would no longer repeat the mistake of being someone else's proxy.
        That is very true.

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        China is able to use Pakistan because India and Pakistan have a good deal of disputes and China is able to feed off that... Vietnam has improved relations with China... so Vietnam has a lot more to lose from destorying relations with China then it does to gain with being in India's camp...
        To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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        • #5
          Another problem that exists is that Pakistan's armed forces are approx 50% of what India has and due to this it can even threaten certain regions, while Vietnam does not have 50% force level in comparison with China. So while Pakistan can threaten India to a certain degree, Vietnam can only be of neusance value to China and in no way act as a threat.

          Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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          • #6
            India believes in equal partnership and not asking someone to be a proxy.

            Colonel,

            Am I not fit for foreign service? ;)


            "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

            I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

            HAKUNA MATATA

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            • #7
              Well our political & intel org has not matured in to bringing poxies to fight on our behalf. All what India is doing & trying is to develop headache for chinese & repaying with interest what the dragon has done to pakistan. All to make china a little restless in its own backyard & to stretch its forces.
              Last edited by indianguy4u; 04 Oct 05,, 16:42.
              Hala Madrid!!

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              • #8
                To open a second front against china is not at all feasible for india .India wont be able to give them the reqd military or economical support for any of these Se countries.they wud be glad if they are with US or China.

                What india can do is engage Japan..india can gain much by this.india shud work on to getting this ready.
                What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in casinos?
                The ones in the casinos are serious.

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                • #9
                  It is not so much for opening of a second front.

                  Simplistically put, it is basically to ensure no encrochment into Indo China by China also for monitoring hostile shipping.

                  In this connection, if one remembers, the US was looking for greater ties also and there was a report stating that VN was giving them port and berthing facilities.

                  Therefore, the bigger strategic game has to be kept in mind given that India and the US is cosying up.
                  Last edited by Ray; 04 Oct 05,, 07:46.


                  "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                  I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                  HAKUNA MATATA

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                  • #10
                    Hmmm, arent we are just gonna give them a dozen or so missiles,shake hands and drink wine with them... ?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ray
                      India believes in equal partnership and not asking someone to be a proxy.

                      Colonel,

                      Am I not fit for foreign service? ;)
                      Oh God No, Sir. You're nowhere being that anal.

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                      • #12
                        :)


                        "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                        I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                        HAKUNA MATATA

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                        • #13
                          India and China are and should move towards better relations. They have much to gain.

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                          • #14
                            Vietnam can pose no threat to China without spending billions....

                            what interest does Vietnam have in spending billions, tens of billions, to counter a state which they have no real issues with anymore.

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                            • #15
                              There is a thing called "threat" and another thing called "threat in being".


                              "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                              I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                              HAKUNA MATATA

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