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  • US to sell 77 'acquired' F-16s to Pakistan: Karamat

    Date: 2/10/2005

    Pakistan will buy 77 F-16 jets from the US -- which Washington would acquire from a third country -- for its Air Force after they are fitted with the state-of-the-art equipment, Islamabad's Ambassador to America Gen (Retd) Jehangir Karamat, said.

    The F-16s would be acquired from a third country but the supply would be made by the US, Karamat was quoted as saying by the local daily 'The News' but the paper did not specify whether Washington was procuring used aircraft.

    The upgradation and installation of equipment would be carried out by the manufacturer in the US and all the aircraft would be fitted with the sate-of-the-art equipment to meet Pakistan's requirements, he said.

    Karamat said the American Government has already approved the F-16 deal with Pakistan and it would come for discussion before the US Congress in October and November.

    He said besides approving the F-16 deal with Pakistan, the US would provide it 20 state-of-the-art Cobra helicopters.

    Apparently allaying apprehensions over the quality of the planes as they were being "acquired" from other countries, he said there is no question about the quality and lifespan of the jets as they would be "first rate by all standards."

    Pakistan had last year sought the F-16 models capable of firing medium-range air-to-air Beyond Visual Ranger (BVR), AMRAAM Missiles, which have the ability to hit a target beyond 60 km range.

    Billed as fire and forget category, BVRs were considered to be most advanced missiles which Pakistan Air Force (PAF) so far did not have. Last year, the US had initially proposed to sell 24 F-16s, each costing around 40 million dollars.

    As per the delivery schedule, Karamat said Pakistan would be given two F-16s by December followed by supply of 20 in next year and the rest of 55 in 2007.

    The PAF, which has about 30 F-16s acquired in 1980s, is currently modernising its aged fleet by buying used French-made Mirages as well as jointly producing F-7 Thunder with China. PAF has also already procured several Mirage fighters from Libya.

    About President George W Bush's plans to visit the region, Karamat said indications are that the US leader's visit to the sub-continent may materialise in February next year during which he would also come to Pakistan.

    Expressing satisfaction over the defence, political, economic, trade and social sector cooperation between the US and Pakistan, he said Islamabad is closely watching the pattern of emerging close cooperation between the US and India on sharing of the civilian-nuclear technology.

    He said Pakistan too has growing energy requirements and wish to acquire US nuclear power plants in future.

    Pakistan wanted that any US legislation on transferring the nuclear technology should not be made country-specific. "The legislation must also open similar US cooperation with Pakistan," he said.

    On the Bush Administration's crackdown on terror suspects in the US, he said Washington is deporting criminals, violators of laws and illegal immigrants. No excess with peace-loving Pakistanis or any other country's nationals have been reported, he added.
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    Pakistan will buy 77 F-16 jets from the US -- which Washington would acquire from a third country -- for its Air Force after they are fitted with the state-of-the-art equipment, Islamabad's Ambassador to America Gen (Retd) Jehangir Karamat, said.
    It means refurbished f16s (MLU).
    Hala Madrid!!

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    • #3
      By buy, they mean Pakistan will get them for free from the third country and the US will pick up the tab.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SuperFlanker
        By buy, they mean Pakistan will get them for free from the third country and the US will pick up the tab.
        I've heard that the first two will be A's straight from the US stock. I'm guessing that the remainiing 75 are going to come from stored/retired arircraft from NATO countries.

        The Netherlands is retiring a sqd of F-16's this year and after that it might have as many as 40 MLU A/B's in storage. I've heard that Chile may be negotiating with them to buy 18 or so of the MLU's and the 20 AC that Pakistan is supposed to et in '06 may very well some from this stock of retired MLU's

        Combined, the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark and Belguim have got to have almost 100 A/Bs in storage, so the other 55 will come from there and deliverd to Pakistan in '07 after they are upgraded to an MLU or Block 50 standard

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        • #5
          good news for CAC, looks like PAF isn't getting block 50/52 planes after all, which means it will be able to sell more JF-17s.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tphuang
            good news for CAC, looks like PAF isn't getting block 50/52 planes after all, which means it will be able to sell more JF-17s.
            The MLU updates will undoubtedly make the aircraft into pretty much the same as Block 50's; not brand new, but a lot better than the JF-17. I think the only reason that Pakistan is showing interest in the JF-17 is because some production will take place in country and that will help build up its own defense industry. Other than that, I think that Pakistan would go for cheap used F-16's/Mirage 2000's over the JF-17.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SuperFlanker
              By buy, they mean Pakistan will get them for free from the third country and the US will pick up the tab.
              That what part of bushy gifts to mushy for his unqualified support on WoT.
              Hala Madrid!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JBodnar39
                The MLU updates will undoubtedly make the aircraft into pretty much the same as Block 50's; not brand new, but a lot better than the JF-17. I think the only reason that Pakistan is showing interest in the JF-17 is because some production will take place in country and that will help build up its own defense industry. Other than that, I think that Pakistan would go for cheap used F-16's/Mirage 2000's over the JF-17.
                well, the typical MLUs do not change the airframe or the powerplant, so you are not getting an improvement in the maneouverability of the plane. Sure, I think PAF should go for cheap used F-16 and Mirage 2K also, but it is placing a lot of emphasis on JF-17. And the fact that the F-16s are not brand new block 50/52 F-16s will definitely help CAC sell more JF-17 to PAF.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tphuang
                  well, the typical MLUs do not change the airframe or the powerplant, so you are not getting an improvement in the maneouverability of the plane. Sure, I think PAF should go for cheap used F-16 and Mirage 2K also, but it is placing a lot of emphasis on JF-17. And the fact that the F-16s are not brand new block 50/52 F-16s will definitely help CAC sell more JF-17 to PAF.
                  The only thing I'd buy from the Chinese are action figures for my kids. They have proven that their defense industry is not capable of mass producing sophisticated devices (ie. fighter aircraft). Until they change to free market system they will continue to be unable to do so.

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                  • #10
                    Also, the 32 or so F-16s we currently have in our inventory will be upgraded up to MLU standard 2 at a time over the next couple of years. That gives us around 110 F-16, or 7-8 squadrons. That along with the 100 JF-17s we may be inducting will convert the PAF to a much more formidable deterrent.

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                    • #11
                      Not really. The Su-30MKIs, MiG-29s, and M2Ks the IAF already has plus the 140 or so Su-30MKIs and the 126 MRCAs should be more than enough to handle the F-16 and JF-17...heck, the MiG-21 Bison should be enough for the JF-17.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JBodnar39
                        The only thing I'd buy from the Chinese are action figures for my kids. They have proven that their defense industry is not capable of mass producing sophisticated devices (ie. fighter aircraft). Until they change to free market system they will continue to be unable to do so.
                        how does free market system have anything to do with mass producing sophisticated devices? Russians never had one and their fighter industry is doing quite well. China has a lot more free trade agreements than Russia and is actually a member of WTO. And it doesn't matter what you are willing to buy from China, it's about how much China can fool other countries into buying its products. Heck, Nigeria just bought 15 F-7s from China.

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                        • #13
                          Free markets will improve competitiveness and accountability.
                          A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tphuang
                            how does free market system have anything to do with mass producing sophisticated devices? Russians never had one and their fighter industry is doing quite well. China has a lot more free trade agreements than Russia and is actually a member of WTO. And it doesn't matter what you are willing to buy from China, it's about how much China can fool other countries into buying its products. Heck, Nigeria just bought 15 F-7s from China.
                            China doesn't fool anybody into buying its products. It sells its products on the international arms market or to Walmart because its products are cheap (or because no-on else will sell them anything like Iran). Its products are cheap because everybody in their factories from the janitors to the engineers get paid less their counterparts do in the west. Nigeria bougt the F-7s because they got them cheap. Iran bought C801/C-802 missles from China because nobody elese will sell them missles. Russia's best military products - like the Su-30 and MiG-29M/K - are built to make money on the international market, not to arm their own military.

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                            • #15
                              Its products are cheap because everybody in their factories from the janitors to the engineers get paid less their counterparts do in the west.
                              This is wrong notion.
                              Hala Madrid!!

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