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Amled
28 Sep 05,, 14:37
The Times

Putin pledges to step down
By Jeremy Page

PRESIDENT PUTIN of Russia sought to burnish his demo- cratic credentials in a three-hour phone-in yesterday by pledging to share out Russia’s oil wealth and to step down in 2008.

Mr Putin denied rolling back democracy as he fielded 60 questions from Russian citizens, some of whom spoke to him live on television from their home towns, while others sent e-mails and text messages.

“It is not my goal to remain for ever in the Kremlin,” Mr Putin said, speaking from a specially adapted room in the Kremlin.

The phone-in was designed to look spontaneous but analysts said that it was stage-managed to smooth the way for the 2008 presidential election, when Mr Putin must step down under the Constitution.

Mr Putin, 52, said that there was no truth in persistent rumours that the Kremlin wants to change the Constitution to allow him a third term.

Maybe there is hope yet for a democratic Russia!
But the pessimist in me says a lot can happen during the next three years when he is obliged to step down.

SloMax
29 Sep 05,, 08:27
I hope the new president won’t be endorsed by Putin. If this happens, nothing will change for the better.

Leader
29 Sep 05,, 09:07
Yeah I heard him say it repeatedly a couple of weeks ago on TV. Time will tell.

Ray
29 Sep 05,, 09:28
Somehow I have serious doubts if he will.

He will surely do a Musharraf!

smilingassassin
29 Sep 05,, 09:40
A democratically elected dictator? Somehow I think Russia will actually pull it off! :rolleyes:

Garry
29 Sep 05,, 11:27
Somehow I have serious doubts if he will.

He will surely do a Musharraf!

Then why would he tell now that will step down? Why to state that no way constittution may be changed? I don't see any rationale then telling it now if he plans to look for a way how to stay a president further..........

Many of people on the west have wrong views on what exactly happened, going on or will happen here...... sometimes they absolutelly have no idea and believe to what they read in newspapers or see in CNN/Fox News etc. These views are sticky and tend to change only with time

ps. Will he look for somebody to replace him... sure he will!

Amled
29 Sep 05,, 14:42
Then why would he tell now that will step down? Why to state that no way constittution may be changed? I don't see any rationale then telling it now if he plans to look for a way how to stay a president further..........

How many times have we heard politicians utter variations of the, "...if nominated I will not stand, if elected I will not serve." speech.
Yet at the end of the day there they were sitting in the office.
You do know the best way of leading a mule to water is, don't you?

kNikS
29 Sep 05,, 16:32
..Maybe there is hope yet for a democratic Russia!..

Hope for democratic Russia…I’m not sure that they were very satisfied with Yeltsins democracy.

..Many of people on the west have wrong views on what exactly happened, going on or will happen here...... sometimes they absolutelly have no idea and believe to what they read in newspapers or see in CNN/Fox News etc...
Well said. Same situation as in Serbia.

Ray
29 Sep 05,, 16:32
Mushrraf got the Pakistan National Assembly to agree to come back to their job in the National Assembly by promising that he will step down by last year. He had a change of heart "in the interest of the Nation". His rubber stamp Prime Minister says that now he might not step down by the next cut off date i.e. 2007.

Is Mush baby can do it, why not the successor to Stalin, the benevolent butcher?

Do you find any startling difference between our loveable Stalin, cute Mushman and Pigheaded Putin?

dalem
29 Sep 05,, 17:48
It's easy to predict that some sort of "emergency" will happen and that Putin will be "forced" to stay on.

-dale

Lunatock
29 Sep 05,, 19:12
Mushrraf got the Pakistan National Assembly to agree to come back to their job in the National Assembly by promising that he will step down by last year. He had a change of heart "in the interest of the Nation". His rubber stamp Prime Minister says that now he might not step down by the next cut off date i.e. 2007.

Is Mush baby can do it, why not the successor to Stalin, the benevolent butcher?

Do you find any startling difference between our loveable Stalin, cute Mushman and Pigheaded Putin?

Musharraf is not as ruthless and bloodthirsty when it comes to dealing with the NWFP as Staling and Putin are in dealing with Russian Republics, mostly the Caucasus?

Amled
30 Sep 05,, 05:09
It's easy to predict that some sort of "emergency" will happen and that Putin will be "forced" to stay on.-dale
Remember the rash of "Chechen" bombings in Moscow the first time Putin was running for president on a law and order platform?

Samudra
30 Sep 05,, 05:17
Musharraf is not as ruthless and bloodthirsty when it comes to dealing with the NWFP as Staling and Putin are in dealing with Russian Republics, mostly the Caucasus?

Putin is much better in the sense that he does not turn his back to his own soldiers!

If given a choice between the two, any sensible man would prefer to live under a tyrant who chooses to protect his people(and to kill their enemies ruthlessly,like the nuke all moslems idea proposed) rather than a tyrant who turns his back to his own soldiers and officers and let them die at the hands of his enemy.

Anyways, when did we start ranking tyrants?
A tyrant is a tyrant.No good tyrant and no better tyrant

dalem
30 Sep 05,, 07:13
Remember the rash of "Chechen" bombings in Moscow the first time Putin was running for president on a law and order platform?

I certainly do. And I remember how convenient it was that they found so much evidence. ;)

-dale

BenRoethig
30 Sep 05,, 18:49
Hope for democratic Russia…I’m not sure that they were very satisfied with Yeltsins democracy.

What Democracy? I have yet to see a contested election since the fall of the soviet union. The Russian constitution also gives the president almost absolute powers.

kNikS
30 Sep 05,, 19:47
What Democracy? I have yet to see a contested election since the fall of the soviet union. The Russian constitution also gives the president almost absolute powers.
My point was that Putin is certainly better than Yeltsin for them, at least because he isn’t turning back to his own soldiers, like Samudra said.
But I prefer to simply let Russians on this board say what they think about that.
And “hope for democratic Russia” was Amled’s phrase in his first post.

Lunatock
30 Sep 05,, 20:35
I certainly do. And I remember how convenient it was that they found so much evidence. ;)

-dale

Especially considering how quickly they cleaned up and took away the rubble from the apartment bombings.

And three bombings as it? After the third some Russian citizens passed an awareness test the FSB sprung on them. They caught some FSB agents loading "bags of sugar" and a timer into the basement of another partment building.

leib10
30 Sep 05,, 21:10
Who knows what Putin will try to do in the meantime...

giggs88
30 Sep 05,, 21:34
He will surely do a Musharraf!
LOL!

dalem
30 Sep 05,, 22:28
Especially considering how quickly they cleaned up and took away the rubble from the apartment bombings.

And three bombings as it? After the third some Russian citizens passed an awareness test the FSB sprung on them. They caught some FSB agents loading "bags of sugar" and a timer into the basement of another partment building.

I remember hearing about that too. At the time I figured that I'd dismiss it as overspeculation. I think it's pretty clear, now, that I was probably wrong.

But still, the Russians didn't squawk all that hard as their new Czar settled in and closed the barn door. Hard to feel too sorry for them.

-dale

BenRoethig
30 Sep 05,, 22:47
The name may have changed, but the KGB lives on.

Ray
01 Oct 05,, 15:00
RA RA RUSSIAN PUTIN
Russia's greatest terror machine
It was a shame how he carried on

apologies to Boney M's Rasputin!

Officer of Engineers
01 Oct 05,, 15:14
Damed Sir,

I can't get that stupid tune out of my head now! ARGGGHHHH!!!!!!!

Ray
01 Oct 05,, 17:13
:)