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Ray
30 Aug 05,, 17:51
MMA out of elections if Musharraf stays

ISLAMABAD: The Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) said on Monday that it would not participate in the next general elections if General Pervez Musharraf continued as president and army chief. MMA President Qazi Hussain Ahmed said this after a meeting of the MMA parliamentary party. Qazi was responding to a question about what the MMA’s policy would be now that the Alliance for the Restoration of Democracy (ARD) had claimed that it would boycott the general elections if held under Musharraf’s rule. mohammad imran

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_30-8-2005_pg1_3


Is it because the feel that Musharraf will fudge the elections and thereafter manipulate as he did last time or is it because they seriously object to this two post abberation?

ARD is also boycotting.

Then who is fighting the elections?

Therefore, it is the Kings Party all the way!

A democratic coup de tat follows the wake of the military coup de tat!

Asim Aquil
30 Aug 05,, 17:56
Yippeee!

Although I'm sure, they'll all come. The government today anounced that they're hosting a forum for all political parties to participate and setup an independent elections commission. However I know no matter what happens, the losing side would cry foul. The process just needs to be given time and acceptance.

Ray
30 Aug 05,, 18:14
Musharraf must resign before general elections: MMA

By Mohammad Imran

ISLAMABAD: The Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) supreme council has unanimously decided that President Pervez Musharraf should resign from the president and army chief offices before the general elections.

MMA Deputy Secretary General Liaqat Baloch told reporters after the supreme council meeting at MMA President Qazi Hussain Ahmed’s residence on Monday that chances of fair and free elections in Musharraf’s presence were unlikely.

The supreme council also demanded the establishment of an independent election commission that was acceptable to opposition parties, he said. The supreme council also said leaders of the NWFP MMA should not give statements against each other.

Sources said the MMA supreme council failed to settle the recent rift between the Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) and Jamiat Ulema Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) that had appeared during the local council elections.Sources said that during the meeting Qazi and MMA Secretary General Maulana Fazlur Rehman argued over the differences between the MMA in the NWFP. Both men accused each other of not giving importance to the other for the third phase of the local council elections, sources added.

The meeting also decided that both parties would honour the agreements made with other political parties for the third phase of the local council elections, sources said.

The issue of religious seminaries was also discussed and the meeting decided that seminaries would not register themselves and that the MMA would convene a national convention to discuss the issue. Liaqat Baloch said the supreme council criticised the government’s decision to repatriate foreign students studying in seminaries. He also said the MMA would remain united despite government attempts to create differences between the religious alliance.

He said the JI would hold a National Consultation Conference on September 4 in which all major political parties of the country would participate to come up with a national policy and national stand.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_30-8-2005_pg7_60

Ray
30 Aug 05,, 18:17
Losing side crying foul?

And the fudging side claiming victory?

And the fudging of election is so blatant that the govt loses twice int he National Assembly where even the Treasury Benches join the Opposition to endore that it was a HUGE FUDGE,

Call it military style democracy or bust.


Treasury MNAs accuse govt of rigging local council polls


By Shahzad Raza & Irfan Ghauri

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz was cornered into an embarrassing situation on Monday after several treasury members of the National Assembly accused their own government of rigging the local council elections.

“We are the victims of massive rigging. The entire nation is united against this rigging,” shouted treasury parliamentarian Riaz Hussain Pirzada on the floor of the National Assembly (NA).

Sher Akbar Khan, another treasury member, said he was the victim of pre-poll rigging by a minister of state. He did not name the minister, but sources said he was referring to Amir Muqam, the Minister of State for Water and Power. The MNA claimed that the minister suspended the electrification of his constituency to press him into withdrawing his candidates in the local council elections. “Because of the minister’s malicious intents, the PML-backed candidates lost the elections. The Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) and the Awami National Party (ANP) secured first and second positions,” he said.

Dr Firdos Ashiq Awan, another treasury MNA, said she wanted to expose NA speaker Chaudhry Amir Hussain’s highhandedness against her. Speaking on a point of order, she said she would give a detailed account of the highhandedness to the house. “Include my name in the list of speakers who are to speak on this issue,” she said. I will then reveal the kind of highhandedness I suffered at your hands,” she said raising her finger towards the NA speaker. The entire opposition also grilled the government of manipulating the elections to change results in the favour of its candidates. The opposition members raised slogans and staged a token walkout from the proceedings.

Several treasury MNAs vented their feelings during the parliamentary party meeting of the ruling coalition before the NA session. They criticised the top PML leadership of protecting its own interests.

The MNAs demanded that the prime minister, who attended the meeting, explain his position and arrange their meeting with President General Pervez Musharraf to take up the issue of rigging.

Sources privy to the meting told Daily Times that the prime minister expressed his satisfaction on the ‘free, fair and transparent’ local government elections. As he concluded his speech, several members stood up and rejected his claims.

Sources said Pirzada accused that the government machinery was used to ensure the victory of selected candidates. He said the party central and provincial leadership had given a cold response to his complaints. Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, the PML president, tried to hush up the matter, but the annoyed MNAs said they would not stay quiet. They said that the PML’s top leadership had its own interests in the matter.

Farooq Leghari said his candidates were opposed by the PML’s top leadership in his constituency. According to PML sources, the Chaudhrys of Gujrat had backed Hassnain Dareshak’s candidates against Leghari’s son, Jamal Leghari, in Rajanpur district.

Khalid Lund, member of the Sherpao-led Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), said his candidates lost the elections because Arbab Ghulam Rahim, the Sindh chief minister, rigged the elections.

Daniyal Aziz, the National Reconstruction Bureau (NRB) chairman, and Maj (r) Tanvir Hussain also made similar complaints. Later, speaking on the NA floor Qazi Hussain Ahmed, the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) parliamentary leader, said the nation wanted the parliament to take action against the massive rigging.

He said over 70 innocent people lost their lives while scores were injured during the elections. He said a detailed discussion must be held on the issue and the issue must not be played down in the pretext of rules and regulations. Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) acting parliamentary leader, asked the NA speaker to give the maximum time tos member who wanted to speak on the rigging issue. He said that the law and order situation had deteriorated in the country and General Pervez Musharraf had the absolute authority to impose his decisions on the nation.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_30-8-2005_pg7_3

Ray
30 Aug 05,, 18:23
Govt twice defeated in NA


By Mohammed Imran and Irfan Ghauri

ISLAMABAD: The opposition twice defeated the government in the National Assembly on Monday, first rejecting a bill with a majority vote and then foiling the treasury’s attempt to block a debate on the “massive rigging” in local elections.

The government faced a stunning humiliation when several treasury members joined forces with the opposition to expose “the farce of free, fair and transparent local elections”. Dr Sher Afgan Niazi, minister for parliamentary affairs, moved the bill, unaware that the treasury was short of a majority. The opposition parties voted down the bill.

The minister then tried to stop the opposition from debating the local elections by pointing to a lack of quorum in the house. Though most treasury members had walked out, a number of dissidents including Riaz Pirzada, Makhdoom Ahmed Alam, Sanaullah Mastikeil, Sher Akbar and Farooq Azam had stayed behind. The opposition demanded a head-count and the speaker found that the house was in order and the quorum was complete with 87 members, including the treasury members, present in the chamber. This was the first time in the parliamentary history of Pakistan that the government itself pointed out the quorum in a session it called and was defeated.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/defaul...30-8-2005_pg1_6

Very unfortunate to be defeated twice.

Anger must be quite rampant and strong since even the Treasury Bench joined in to defeat their govt!

Poor Musharraf.

He sure is not jumping in the air, clicking his heels and shouting, "Yippee".

Asim Aquil
30 Aug 05,, 18:26
Yeh it was a deceptive and a clever game played by MMA. Lets see how the government responds. Musharraf wouldn't have fallen for it. Never trust a mullah. Anyway, no harm done this time, but the leaders really ought to be doing their homework better. They just got the mic, to blab on.

Ray
30 Aug 05,, 18:43
Musharraf has fallen for it.

He shouldn't have.

His internal intelligence agencies have failed him.

Another sad commentary since it is difficult times that he is facing and he should have been warned!

Asim Aquil
30 Aug 05,, 19:00
These little matters aren't his calls.

His allies on the other hand did put a dent in the MMA, with the whole JI vs JUI fiasco

Ray
30 Aug 05,, 19:57
Musharraf is Pakistan and Pakistan is Musharraf.

Shaukat Aziz and his cabinet is inconsequential since even foreign govt dialogue with Musharraf for decisions including India.

Therefore, any defeat of the King's Party is a defeat for Musharraf.

The intelligence has failed Musharraf either out of incompetence or by design.

Asim Aquil
30 Aug 05,, 22:59
Dude, Shouldn't Musharraf and his intelligence be worrying about larger issues? He's handed over these things to the government.

It's just a right to debate a claim. Thats all they got, the mic. The motion wasn't "crucial".

Lunatock
30 Aug 05,, 23:05
Oh boo-hoo-hoooooo! Let em go, see if we (or Musharraf) cares if they leave the elections if he stays. Such a bad thing if they practice the right to pull themselves out of whatever elcetion this is. Matter of fact, why don't the MMA guys making this threat lie down in front of a train after not being in the election?!

Ray
31 Aug 05,, 19:01
Dude, Shouldn't Musharraf and his intelligence be worrying about larger issues? He's handed over these things to the government.

It's just a right to debate a claim. Thats all they got, the mic. The motion wasn't "crucial".


The Intelligence cannot be so lax for a man whose popularity is such that members of his own armed forces attempt his assassination twice!

If it is fine by Pakistanis that Musharaf sees the Heavenly gates because of a lax intelligence, I have nothing to say.

However, we have some working relations with him and so we would be concerned.

The news that comes from Pakistan indicating that he is just foisting himself and is actually not the popular leader and whose term is shaky and doubtful is indeed a worry for India.

MMA surely would not be in India's interest.

As the saying goes - A known Devil is better than an Unknown friend.