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    First AH-64D Apache Longbow for Kuwait Delivered
    Wed, 17 Aug 2005, 15:51

    ST. LOUIS: The U.S. government, on behalf of the Government of Kuwait, accepted Kuwait’s first AH-64D Apache Longbow multi-role combat helicopter from Boeing.

    The Apache Longbow, delivered in July from The Boeing Mesa, Ariz., facility, is the first of a 16 Apache foreign military sales order with the U.S. Department of Defense for the Kuwaiti government. The aircraft will remain in the United States until next year to undergo a series of qualification tests.

    “From the initiation of the foreign military sale, through production of the first Apache, the program has benefited from the close working relationships between the U.S. Army, Kuwaiti government representatives, Boeing and the other Apache industry teammates,” said Bob Burns, the Boeing program manager for the Kuwait Apache program.


    http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publ...cle_003036.php

  • #2
    Originally posted by Y W F
    “From the initiation of the foreign military sale, through production of the first Apache, the program has benefited from the close working relationships between the U.S. Army, Kuwaiti government representatives, Boeing and the other Apache industry teammates,” said Bob Burns, the Boeing program manager for the Kuwait Apache program.
    Uh-huh, and Boeing benefits from a big fat arms sale package ;)
    “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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    • #3
      But has'nt the Apache been found to be a maintenance nightmare for desert operations?

      Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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      • #4
        Not only that, I thought the Apache was based on the Western European scenario of war, where there were plenty of trees for cover and scout helicopters aiding them as well.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by zpak
          Not only that, I thought the Apache was based on the Western European scenario of war, where there were plenty of trees for cover and scout helicopters aiding them as well.
          Actually, from what I have read of both of the Iraq wars - it appears that attack helos may be better off operting in open desert terrain rather than built up urban areas.

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          • #6
            Yep, Helos have a rough go of it in Urban ops.

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            • #7
              Makes me wonder the whole state is one city and still so much emphasis on weapon purchases from the US and even the Chinese .

              Are they even qualified to fly this stuff ?? Or will import for that as well .

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              • #8
                Originally posted by M21Sniper
                Yep, Helos have a rough go of it in Urban ops.
                Anything has a rough go of it in urban environments, especially heavy equipment.
                "The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. So wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes." G-Man

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mani
                  Are they even qualified to fly this stuff ?? Or will import for that as well .

                  Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Y W F
                    First AH-64D Apache Longbow for Kuwait Delivered
                    Wed, 17 Aug 2005, 15:51

                    ST. LOUIS: The U.S. government, on behalf of the Government of Kuwait, accepted Kuwait’s first AH-64D Apache Longbow multi-role combat helicopter from Boeing.

                    The Apache Longbow, delivered in July from The Boeing Mesa, Ariz., facility, is the first of a 16 Apache foreign military sales order with the U.S. Department of Defense for the Kuwaiti government. The aircraft will remain in the United States until next year to undergo a series of qualification tests.

                    “From the initiation of the foreign military sale, through production of the first Apache, the program has benefited from the close working relationships between the U.S. Army, Kuwaiti government representatives, Boeing and the other Apache industry teammates,” said Bob Burns, the Boeing program manager for the Kuwait Apache program.


                    http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publ...cle_003036.php
                    This is some kind of a thank you which Kuwait is making towards US for a 1991 Gulf War. Having compared the specks and prices of the Longbow and Ka-52 I see that Ka-52 is much better and cheaper.

                    It uses a Coaxial-type main rotor which reduces the size of the rotor and increases its performance factor, Kamov helicopters/coaxial have traditionally higher fuel efficiency to a traditional main rotor systems. In addition to that coaxial system let you fly without a tail rotor, and finally it increases maneuvrability of the rotorcraft.

                    I don't have much details on how Arbalet-D radar is better than Londbow. Would be interesting to hear some objective evaluation. Russian engineers state that it is better and it can detect tank at 12km, attacking fighter at 15km, and a Stinger at a 5km.

                    It has very accurate gut due to the nice ballancing in center of the masses.

                    Its flying specks are well know - Ka-50 and Ka-52 are the only two helicopters which can go a circly up - a cobra. In addition to that speed of Ka-52 is much higher.

                    Finally the price - Taiwan got 30 AH-64D Apache Longbow at a reported cost of $1.29 billion - around $43mln a piece!

                    Ka-52 is being offered to Turkey at a price of $16-18mln + license to produce the bird themselves for their own fleet.... So the difference in price is more than double....

                    ps. And ofcause Ka-52 is muich beter armored than Longbow.

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                    • #11
                      The Ka is cheaper(but then what russian equipment isn't cheaper than the Western equivelants), but the Apache's combat record in three wars speaks for itself.

                      When the Ka has killed over 1000 armored vehicles in combat, and completed literally thousands and thousands of operational combat sorties with a loss rate of less than 1%, then we'll talk about the Ka-52 being better.

                      Until then it's just the latest in a very long string of totally unproven Russian wonderweapons.

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                      • #12
                        No wonder about that, as we practically own Kuwait since '91.
                        F-22 are not really combat proven either, though it seems nobody here believes they are a pos

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                        • #13
                          No one called the KA- a POS(that i saw), it's just that no one is about to apoint it the greatest attack helo since sliced bread either.

                          That's entirely fair- it hasn't proven itself, and a lot of people are rightly skeptical about the 1 man cockpit.

                          The AH-64 is not the most trouble free helo, to be sure, but it IS the single most battleproven and effective helo the world has seen extensively used in combat.

                          IMO the AH-1Z is even better, but, that yet remains to be proven in the crucible of battle.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by leibstandarte10
                            Anything has a rough go of it in urban environments, especially heavy equipment.
                            The following things don't have a rough go in urban enviroments: B-52s, B1Bs, B2s, F-15s, F-16s, F-18s, F-14s, Cruise Missiles, Howitzers, Battleships, and nuclear weapons of the tactical and strategic variaty.

                            Coincidently all of these things would be used for the annihilation of a city:-p

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by M21Sniper
                              The Ka is cheaper(but then what russian equipment isn't cheaper than the Western equivelants), but the Apache's combat record in three wars speaks for itself.

                              When the Ka has killed over 1000 armored vehicles in combat, and completed literally thousands and thousands of operational combat sorties with a loss rate of less than 1%, then we'll talk about the Ka-52 being better.

                              Until then it's just the latest in a very long string of totally unproven Russian wonderweapons.
                              Ka-50 competes by having the best specs in the world. For cheaper thing you better look at Mi-28N. As for Ka-50 is far better than both American AH-64 Longbow and Russian Mi-28N (cheaper one which Russian army accepted)..... it outperformes both

                              1) avionics on the level of a fighter aircraft
                              - longer range scannned array radar (few targest at simulataneously),
                              - advanced air to air capability (designed to kill Longbows on battlefield)
                              - may fly on maximum speed on the 5m above the ground on hard terrain

                              2) higher speed and fuel efficiency
                              3) higher combat load to total weight
                              4) higher maneurability and stability - in a seconds it may turn 180 on full speed
                              5) due to higher stability and centered gun - it is considered a sniper of helicopters..... able to shoot PARTICULARLY CHOSEN desert rats with its gun from 3km distance!!!
                              6) it is perfectly armored.... here on par with Mi-28N but beter than AH-64D
                              7) it is much more silent than both Mi-28 and AH-64 => increases survivability

                              Ka-50 is unparralleled platform, designed to kill land targets like tanks and to kill air targets like helicopters and subsonic CAS aircraft on the battle field...... At at time it was as revolutionary as Rarptors engines are now! and unparelleled it stays

                              ps. I just learned that its price is now inflated to almost $20mln,
                              Last edited by Garry; 02 Oct 05,, 21:46.

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