Is the M1 Abrams tank ever gonna get the German L55 gun?
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Originally posted by SnakePliskenIs the M1 Abrams tank ever gonna get the German L55 gun?
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Originally posted by SnakePliskenDo you think the Abrams will ever have one mounted?
If anything, they'll go directly to the 120mm ETC gun from the FCS program at some future date.
The L55 just doesn't give you enough to warrant the upgrade price. It's easier to just focus on new munitions to improve penetration. Plus, there aren't exactly a lot of likely potential targets that can't be handled with the existing gun & munitions.
Now it's possible that a foreign service might pay to add the L55 to their Abrams, since most don't want to use DU rounds.
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Originally posted by metalbeastI think they already did. M256 is like Desert Storm old. Though it kicked Iraqi tank butt. The Rheinmetall has better penetration performance than ever before. Exceeding even the best Russian smoothbore 125mm guns by penetration and accuracy. Ah I don't really know. I know the British are in the process of switching from their rifled to the Rheinmetall. Don't know US is or has done it though.
Also why does it even matter how good Abrams gun is? A AT-11 ATGM fired from the T-90 or T-72 125 mm smoothbore will pierce Abrams side armor very nicely from a 5 kilometer range.
Iraqies mostly used T-55s, and the T-72s they used were really, really old, actually the armor values for T-72 have trippled since the production of this tank first began, Iraqies were using some of the older versions with worse armor and not fitted with Kontakt-5. Those versions of T-72 were much older then Abrams, its no surprise Abrams had no problem taking them out.
Путин: Надо отделить мух от мяса.
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Originally posted by M21SniperDude, you are clueless.
Stop drinking the pravda koolaid and rejoin reality.
Here is an educational little link for you:
http://members.tripod.com/collinsj/protect.htm
Here are th armor values for best Abrams variant, M1A2 SEP
Turret: 940-960 Glacis:560-590
Lower front hull:580-650
This against kinnetic penetrators.
Russian 125mm BM-44M tungsten 660mm at 2km
This is a Russian ammuntion it would have no problem getting through the side armor of M1A2 as you can see.
The AT-11 ATGM can penetrate 700 mm of RHA at 5 km.
So both the standard Russian tank round and the AT-11 ATGM can penetrate Abrams side armor, but the ATGM can do it from the range Abrams can not get T-90 from.Last edited by Rusky; 18 Jan 06,, 16:07.
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Originally posted by Officer of EngineersHave you stopped to consider that artillery and not tanks is the King of the Battlefield?
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Tanks against tanks are meeting engagements, not hasty, and certainly not deliberate battles. Even during the Cold War, my tank guys were not expecting to meet your tanks head on. They were expected to be puliverized by your artillery first. And given by chance that my tank guys do get off a few shots at your tank guys, the expectation was that your tank guys would back off for the artillery to do their jobs.
And the number one tank killer in history, destroying more tanks than all other systems combined is the Anti-tank mine.
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