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zraver
09 Aug 17,, 05:41
I truly suggest You Tubing the battle scene. It was epic, the most full body burns by stuntment ever recorded. It is a superb blend of close in action scenes with wider panorama shots of the bigger battle set against a tapestry of past events and strategic implications. Though it involves dragons and swords, you can watch the implications of a modern battle unfold.

First some backdrop, Queen Cersi has been on a winning streak. She has sunk parts of the Targaryan navy(twice), stranded its expeditionary force at Casterly Rock, smashed its biggest allied army at Highgarden in The Reach (and looted it of a huge amount of gold and supplies), decapitated the head of state of another ally (Dorne) and in short seems to be winning. The only loss to date has been the destruction of the Frey's which endanger the third of her army doing occupation duty and fighting an insurgency in the Riverlands. However, Danyeris Targaryan still has enough ships to land her main force of Dothraki Horselords on the Continent. Though the journey across the sea has cost them their presumed massive remount herds, the ships are a handy way to preserve strategic mobility. Something she decides to use to devastating effect.

In the beginning the 2nd in command Randal Tarly rides up to Jamie Lannister and reports all the gold is safely inside the gates at Kings Landing, but the rear of the Army where Jamie is needs to get a move on becuase the front cannot support it due to a terrain feature. Now to me this tells me they know trouble is in the area.That the Targaryan's landing was not unnoticed. Not shown but surmised is they have light horse out screening. Sadly for the Lannister Army, they didn't, didn't have enough, or were not good enough becuase over the horizon comes the Dothraki (mix Mongol and Soiux Indian). In short they lost the recon battle and now have to pay the piper his dues.

The Lannisters hurry to form a 3 sided line with their backs to the sea creating a box. However they only have spears and some archers, no pike, caltrops, swinefeathers, horse mounted troops, reserves of any kind, hope of relief, no way to retreat and no artillery. If the lines breaks, or rather at every point it breaks some part of the army will be cut off. The Dothraki are in full charge, though why light horse would deliver a shock charge eludes me. Still they have the numbers to win, but then everything goes (even more) pear shaped for the already doomed Lannister Army. The Mother of Dragons makes her appearance on Drogon The Dragon now fully grown to the size of a jumbo jet.

You instantly see the infantry's will too battle wither. Just his appearance shakes them to their core, death is in the air and they know it as surely as if it was an A-10 bearing down on them. His opening strike is devastating, and entire chunk of the line is melted out of existence and the Dothraki pour through the gap as the poor saps on either side of the fire line break and run. With no real reserves the battle is now over expect for the dying at this point. But Drogon does not stop. he proceeds to carve up the battlefeild with fire and smoke making it impossible for the Lannister Army to exercise any type of command and control. in fact Jamie Lannister ends up commanding a group of archers in a tactical role rather than directing his army.

Even the anti-hero Bronn's heroic efforts to man the sole scorpion the Lannister Army has end up in vain. Though he wounds Drogon, it too late to save the army. The line is shattered, there is no organized resistance left and Lannister troops are shown fleeing and being ridden down. This one battle totally changes the strategic picture. Though Cersi still has the gold, massive fortresses and the biggest navy, now that the main Targaryan force is ashore she is locked behind city/castle walls. Her infantry army and how ever many heavy horse her knights give her are no match in the open for the Dothraki. One third of her army got roasted, one third is trapped in the Riverlands and the final third is trapped in Kings Landing. Her ability to impose her will on the Continent is for the moment over. She can't threaten the North or the Ayrie or impose her rule on the Dornish or the Reach or Liberate Casterly Rock. Her rule is reduced to Kings Landing and areas behind it including Old Town, the Iron Islands, The Twins and the Riverlands. Her two main commanders are either dead or captured. The Dothraki rule where they ride. It was in short a stunning reversal of fortune, though its Game of Thrones so the scales will surely tip back her way somehow.

SteveDaPirate
09 Aug 17,, 15:41
The odd thing to me is that Dany mostly focused Drogon's flames on the wagons and carts carrying the harvest from the Reach rather than the men defending them. While denying the enemy food supplies is a good thing, the Dothraki were in position to overwhelm the Lannister defenders anyway, and she could have focused on breaking defensive strong points and taken the food supplies intact.

Securing food supplies that may be desperately needed in the near future would have been a better strategic move and returning some to the peasants would have provided some good PR to counter the inevitable bad press that results from burning men alive with dragon fire.

SteveDaPirate
09 Aug 17,, 15:41
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zraver
10 Aug 17,, 01:15
The odd thing to me is that Dany mostly focused Drogon's flames on the wagons and carts carrying the harvest from the Reach rather than the men defending them. While denying the enemy food supplies is a good thing, the Dothraki were in position to overwhelm the Lannister defenders anyway, and she could have focused on breaking defensive strong points and taken the food supplies intact.

Securing food supplies that may be desperately needed in the near future would have been a better strategic move and returning some to the peasants would have provided some good PR to counter the inevitable bad press that results from burning men alive with dragon fire.

Burnign wagons make for good visuals for TV. That being said, the clash likely represented 3-5000 Lannisters and 20-40,000 Dothraki so next week will show or at some point it will be mentioned how great her haul of supplies was. tactically, the burning wagons made command and control impossible. All the typical medieval signaling technologies; mirrors, flags and semifores would be useless on a battlefield obscured by smoke leaving only bugles ad voice commands which are less than effective for people wearing full helmets and banging hard pointy things against hard but flat things.

astralis
10 Aug 17,, 03:06
that was a LOT of fun to watch: mass and you get incinerated by flames...spread out and you're easy pickings for the Dothraki.

Dany threaded the ethical needle, too; use the dragon against the army, but not against the civilians of King's Landing.

also, i very much enjoyed the sparring scene between Arya and Brienne.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s4pbxNMLL0

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/08/game-of-thrones-arya-brienne-fight-left-handed-maisie-williams-right-handed

zraver
10 Aug 17,, 03:59
that was a LOT of fun to watch: mass and you get incinerated by flames...spread out and you're easy pickings for the Dothraki.

And now Cersi is bottled up in Kings landing. She can use the Iron Fleet to raid along the coast, but the interior is lost. If dany heads North, then another third of the Lannister Army encamped around Riverun and the Twins is lost.


Dany threaded the ethical needle, too; use the dragon against the army, but not against the civilians of King's Landing.

But almost within view of the city, just on the other side of the Blackwater.


also, i very much enjoyed the sparring scene between Arya and Brienne.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s4pbxNMLL0

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/08/game-of-thrones-arya-brienne-fight-left-handed-maisie-williams-right-handed

I did as well, she is my favorite action hero on the series.

Bigfella
10 Aug 17,, 04:06
Burnign wagons make for good visuals for TV. That being said, the clash likely represented 3-5000 Lannisters and 20-40,000 Dothraki so next week will show or at some point it will be mentioned how great her haul of supplies was. tactically, the burning wagons made command and control impossible. All the typical medieval signaling technologies; mirrors, flags and semifores would be useless on a battlefield obscured by smoke leaving only bugles ad voice commands which are less than effective for people wearing full helmets and banging hard pointy things against hard but flat things.

I reckon you might be over-estimating the Dothraki force Z. There is no way she shipped that many Dothraki & horses on that fleet. In this show a 'big' army is under 10,000 (that is supposedly the size of the Unsullied). I would have thought the Dothraki force was in that range.

I must say that I found their tactics odd. They had mounted archers & guys with pike things. Surely the smart move is to hit the ground troops with archers, then let the pike dudes break the shield wall, and finally the sword carriers. Absent dragons they might have struggled.

Only a minor quibble, however. It was a fun scene in one of the best eps so far. Ever bit of it was good. Bran going all 'Jedi Master', the cave paintings, the whole thing. With the best of the Lannister army gone the Unsullied are now back in the game. I wonder if Dany & Tyrion are going to try to round up stray bannermen from destroyed houses like Tyrell & Frey & perhaps try to get the Dornish back in or if the ywill try to take King's Landing themselves.

Story moving along nicely.

Bigfella
10 Aug 17,, 04:12
And now Cersi is bottled up in Kings landing. She can use the Iron Fleet to raid along the coast, but the interior is lost. If dany heads North, then another third of the Lannister Army encamped around Riverun and the Twins is lost.
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I thought that siege was ended last season when the Freys took over. I assumed the Lannister army went home after that. Did they get sent up again after Frey was killed? That reminds me, the Tullys are no fans of the Lannisters either. They might come on board

astralis
10 Aug 17,, 04:29
now i wonder if Cersei will be using that gold to pay back the Iron Bank or to hire out the Golden Company to make up for the recent losses she took.

she also lost the food that she was going for, so really Dany could go back to the original Tyrion strategy and just starve 'em out.

SteveDaPirate
10 Aug 17,, 15:40
The real target that needs to get hit with dragonfire is Euron's fleet. Taking away the opposition's strategic mobility has got to be a priority. Particularly when his fleet seems to be capable of teleportation...

When Dany dispatched two fleets to the south in Episode 3, Euron was apparently in position to intercept the Ironborn bound for Dorne (but somehow missed the Unsullied?). I don't have any issues with that, but when he is able to sail back north to King's Landing for ceremonies and witty commentary, then turn around and head south once again and somehow catch the Unsullied at the same time as they arrived at Casterly Rock? The Unsullied ships had a half continent head start at that point!

I initially thought that Euron must have divided his fleet and sent a raven with orders to ambush Casterly Rock to a contingent on the west coast, but his flagship was present at both fights...

Bigfella
10 Aug 17,, 16:47
The real target that needs to get hit with dragonfire is Euron's fleet. Taking away the opposition's strategic mobility has got to be a priority. Particularly when his fleet seems to be capable of teleportation...

When Dany dispatched two fleets to the south in Episode 3, Euron was apparently in position to intercept the Ironborn bound for Dorne (but somehow missed the Unsullied?). I don't have any issues with that, but when he is able to sail back north to King's Landing for ceremonies and witty commentary, then turn around and head south once again and somehow catch the Unsullied at the same time as they arrived at Casterly Rock? The Unsullied ships had a half continent head start at that point!

I initially thought that Euron must have divided his fleet and sent a raven with orders to ambush Casterly Rock to a contingent on the west coast, but his flagship was present at both fights...

I agree that it all seemed to happen a bit quickly, but that is simply the pace of events changing from previous seasons. They have stopped building story lines & characters and started in with some serious resolving. That means they aren't marking the passage of time as they once did. Sometimes it gets a wee bit silly and the editing could be better, but I get what they are doing.

Thinking about the second naval battle, I wonder if he did send part of the fleet ahead & then caught them up in his bigger, faster flagship. A small irritation. I notice they were a bit more careful about indicating time passing this week.

And yes, the dragons need to sink that fleet.

GVChamp
10 Aug 17,, 17:15
Way better than the "strategy" in Battle of the Bastards, IMO.

Dothraki+Unsullied+Dragons is a pretty unstoppable combination, so I don't think there was ever a question whether Dany was going to win. In the original conquest, 3 Dragons roasted the combined armies of the Reach and Westerlands.

Even the Dothraki alone aren't really beatable, even before the War of the Five Kings weakened everyone. Robert said as much when he wanted to assassinate Dany. You can't stop them in the Open Field since Westerosi are pretty weak on cavalry. Presumably parts of Westeros can resist, but it'd cease to exist as a united kingdom.

I imagine the Golden Company is coming over, otherwise why reference them? In the books, GC has their own preferred candidate for King and I believe are founded by Secret Blackfyres. So I wonder if that will play a role.

Also wonder if Jaime Lannister is actually Azor Ahai reborn, and gets his special flame sword after killing Cersei.

Last GOT plot-twist I'd expect is for Dany to die. So I'll bank on that one.

Firestorm
10 Aug 17,, 21:55
I must say that I found their tactics odd. They had mounted archers & guys with pike things. Surely the smart move is to hit the ground troops with archers, then let the pike dudes break the shield wall, and finally the sword carriers. Absent dragons they might have struggled.

Unlike the Mongols who they are based on, the Dothraki aren't big on tactics. It's basically every rider out for personal glory. Charge in screaming and cut heads off, which is basically what they were shown trying to do in that battle.

In the books, the Unsullied are said to have got their reputation partly because of a historical event in which 3000 unsullied hired by some city in Essos withstood repeated charges by a 25000 strong Dothraki horde. The Dothraki could have outflanked and surrounded them easily but being Dothraki they charged straight on again and again attempting to ride them down. This cost them their king his sons and bodyguards along with thousands of others. When they accepted defeat and left only 600 unsullied were left alive. But they were still standing with their formation intact

Bigfella
11 Aug 17,, 02:08
Unlike the Mongols who they are based on, the Dothraki aren't big on tactics. It's basically every rider out for personal glory. Charge in screaming and cut heads off, which is basically what they were shown trying to do in that battle.

In the books, the Unsullied are said to have got their reputation partly because of a historical event in which 3000 unsullied hired by some city in Essos withstood repeated charges by a 25000 strong Dothraki horde. The Dothraki could have outflanked and surrounded them easily but being Dothraki they charged straight on again and again attempting to ride them down. This cost them their king his sons and bodyguards along with thousands of others. When they accepted defeat and left only 600 unsullied were left alive. But they were still standing with their formation intact

That all makes sense, but the makers of the show stuffed it up a bit by showing a group using bow & arrow. Not really a 'death or glory' weapon. Didn't spoil the scene, just a curio.

I can see how a combination of Unsullied infantry & Dothraki cavalry would be damned near unstoppable, even without dragons. Westeros seems to be running out of armies. Stannis, the Tyrells & most of the Lannisters gone. The Tullys beaten and only 10,000 men in the North. Seems like only the Knights of the Vale and the Dorne are in much shape. Interesting.

Looking forward to how all this resolves.

zraver
11 Aug 17,, 04:40
I reckon you might be over-estimating the Dothraki force Z. There is no way she shipped that many Dothraki & horses on that fleet. In this show a 'big' army is under 10,000 (that is supposedly the size of the Unsullied). I would have thought the Dothraki force was in that range.

40,000 is a conservative estimate based ion Robert Baratheon's prediction to Cersi before he died. It also aligns with the books. Her fleet is shown making one crossing, but not only one crossing. Given season 7's skipping of the journeys and going straight to the good parts, a good deal of time has passed since she landed on Dragon Stone.


I must say that I found their tactics odd. They had mounted archers & guys with pike things. Surely the smart move is to hit the ground troops with archers, then let the pike dudes break the shield wall, and finally the sword carriers. Absent dragons they might have struggled.

Witout true pikes, more arches and caltrops the Lannisters were doomed even by banzai charges. I think the Dothraki had to sacrifice Mongol/Souix tactics for TV visuals.


Only a minor quibble, however. It was a fun scene in one of the best eps so far. Ever bit of it was good. Bran going all 'Jedi Master', the cave paintings, the whole thing. With the best of the Lannister army gone the Unsullied are now back in the game. I wonder if Dany & Tyrion are going to try to round up stray bannermen from destroyed houses like Tyrell & Frey & perhaps try to get the Dornish back in or if the ywill try to take King's Landing themselves.

Story moving along nicely.

You'd think she'd want the Dornish, but there is a problem of the Iron Fleet between them and her.

zraver
11 Aug 17,, 04:48
I thought that siege was ended last season when the Freys took over. I assumed the Lannister army went home after that. Did they get sent up again after Frey was killed? That reminds me, the Tullys are no fans of the Lannisters either. They might come on board

Edmund Tully was in the Frey Dungeon, Kings Landing or liberated at Castiley Rock... regardless, his infant/young son is now Lord Frey and his wife is likely regent. This puts the Twins under the control of a Tully. The Lannisters are occupying the Riverlands with a mixed forced of Lannister regulars and Frey bannermen. They have been fighting a bloody insurgency and trying to deal with a massive pack of wolves that has been hunting men.

zraver
11 Aug 17,, 04:53
That all makes sense, but the makers of the show stuffed it up a bit by showing a group using bow & arrow. Not really a 'death or glory' weapon. Didn't spoil the scene, just a curio.

I can see how a combination of Unsullied infantry & Dothraki cavalry would be damned near unstoppable, even without dragons. Westeros seems to be running out of armies. Stannis, the Tyrells & most of the Lannisters gone. The Tullys beaten and only 10,000 men in the North. Seems like only the Knights of the Vale and the Dorne are in much shape. Interesting.

Looking forward to how all this resolves.

The 10,000 men in the North includes the expeditionary strength of the Knights of the Vale and the remnant of the Free Folk. There are probably only 2-3000 actual Northmen left under arms. Even Sansa's guards are bottom on the barrel scrapings whose main training for war appears to have been milking cows or fish mongering. The North is out of men. The only they they have going for them is unlike the Reach (with the exception of Winterfell), no one has been taking the harvest. Granted, no one has been harvesting it either, but the North remembers and has the best stock piles for winter. Eddard Stark hasn't been dead long enough to burn through his life long preparations.

Bigfella
11 Aug 17,, 04:54
40,000 is a conservative estimate based ion Robert Baratheon's prediction to Cersi before he died. It also aligns with the books. Her fleet is shown making one crossing, but not only one crossing. Given season 7's skipping of the journeys and going straight to the good parts, a good deal of time has passed since she landed on Dragon Stone.

I didn't assume all the Dothraki came with her



You'd think she'd want the Dornish, but there is a problem of the Iron Fleet between them and her.

The Dornish can't march north by land?


Edmund Tully was in the Frey Dungeon, Kings Landing or liberated at Castiley Rock... regardless, his infant/young son is now Lord Frey and his wife is likely regent. This puts the Twins under the control of a Tully. The Lannisters are occupying the Riverlands with a mixed forced of Lannister regulars and Frey bannermen. They have been fighting a bloody insurgency and trying to deal with a massive pack of wolves that has been hunting men.

Have we been told any of this in the TV show? If its just from the books we can't assume the same thing is happening.

zraver
11 Aug 17,, 04:59
The real target that needs to get hit with dragonfire is Euron's fleet. Taking away the opposition's strategic mobility has got to be a priority. Particularly when his fleet seems to be capable of teleportation...

When Dany dispatched two fleets to the south in Episode 3, Euron was apparently in position to intercept the Ironborn bound for Dorne (but somehow missed the Unsullied?). I don't have any issues with that, but when he is able to sail back north to King's Landing for ceremonies and witty commentary, then turn around and head south once again and somehow catch the Unsullied at the same time as they arrived at Casterly Rock? The Unsullied ships had a half continent head start at that point!

I initially thought that Euron must have divided his fleet and sent a raven with orders to ambush Casterly Rock to a contingent on the west coast, but his flagship was present at both fights...

Euron has the dragon binder horn in the books so.... Losing the Iron Fleet is game over for Cersi, but that battle might not go Dany's way. Based on Theon's arrival on Dragonstone, we may see Dany invade the Iron Islands to rescue Yara and try and bait Euron.

zraver
11 Aug 17,, 05:00
I didn't assume all the Dothraki came with her




The Dornish can't march north by land?



Have we been told any of this in the TV show? If its just from the books we can't assume the same thing is happening.

Jamie's promise to Edmund Tully to end the Blackfishes holdout at Riverrun. We know he has a son, so even if jamie lied, a Tully/Frey child is now Lord Frey.

Bigfella
11 Aug 17,, 08:39
Jamie's promise to Edmund Tully to end the Blackfishes holdout at Riverrun.

Happened last season, so why would the Lannister army still be there, especially with the threat from the Tyrells & the Dornish?

zraver
11 Aug 17,, 12:45
Happened last season, so why would the Lannister army still be there, especially with the threat from the Tyrells & the Dornish?

Because Arya encountered a Lannister occupation patrol in the Riverlands this season (Ed Sheeran's cameo).

Bigfella
11 Aug 17,, 14:41
Because Arya encountered a Lannister occupation patrol in the Riverlands this season (Ed Sheeran's cameo).

Ah. Gotcha. I was distracted by how ugly he is.

Triple C
14 Aug 17,, 10:35
Like the other penultimate episodes of the season, the next and as-yet untitled episode 66 is looking up to be the battle they pull out all the stops. I don't believe all of the characters walking out through the portcullis and into the snow drift are coming back, which is too bad. Still, there are less noble ways to go on Game of Thrones.

Ref: Dornish. They are separated from the mainland with a strait, which Euron had closed with his maritime raiders. Their forces took heavy losses from Euron's attack and Dorn's leading house, the Martels, is extirpated. It's an ignominious end for a power we heard so much about, but the producers gotta close the storyline.

Bigfella
14 Aug 17,, 12:27
Ref: Dornish. They are separated from the mainland with a strait, which Euron had closed with his maritime raiders. Their forces took heavy losses from Euron's attack and Dorn's leading house, the Martels, is extirpated. It's an ignominious end for a power we heard so much about, but the producers gotta close the storyline.

Are you sure about this? I'm relying on the maps online, but it looks like they could march an army north if they wanted to. That may not be feasible and they may not wish to get involved now, but it doesn't look to me like they need ships to get there.

Triple C
14 Aug 17,, 12:38
Am I sure about this? Nope! I am pretty sure I just got stuff mixed up. Although... they are probably in no condition to fight.

Bigfella
14 Aug 17,, 12:49
Am I sure about this? Nope! I am pretty sure I just got stuff mixed up. Although... they are probably in no condition to fight.

Fair enough. Always respect a man who can admit he's unsure. :-) I agree that they don't seem likely to reappear in the narrative.

zraver
14 Aug 17,, 13:31
Fair enough. Always respect a man who can admit he's unsure. :-) I agree that they don't seem likely to reappear in the narrative.

Other than last night revealing that Jon Snow is actually Jon Targaryan it was one of the worst episodes of all time. The acting was stilted and rushed and full of holes.

Triple C
14 Aug 17,, 14:57
I mean the episode after tonight's.

GVChamp
14 Aug 17,, 15:07
Other than last night revealing that Jon Snow is actually Jon Targaryan it was one of the worst episodes of all time. The acting was stilted and rushed and full of holes.

I thought it was better than the first 2 eps this season, tbh. This season has been very much on the nose and rushed the entire time. Some of the rushing I think is okay (Casterly Rock/Highgarden was epic, IMO, even if only 5 minutes), but there's not a lot of intrigue that defines character opposition in prior seasons. At least IMO. Arya/LF...I mean, LF literally skulking in the corner? Kind of comic book villainy and less GOT-y.

Triple C
14 Aug 17,, 15:31
I think that's an effect of outpacing the novelist. The producers are pretty good with visual story-telling and spectacles, though.

S2
14 Aug 17,, 16:17
So...what was in the note which L.F. evidently planted for Arya to retrieve from his room?

GVChamp
14 Aug 17,, 17:54
So...what was in the note which L.F. evidently planted for Arya to retrieve from his room?

I think that's the note Sansa sent to Robb to get him to come to Kings Landing. It's when Robb Stark calls the banner and starts the war.

S2
14 Aug 17,, 22:16
I think that's the note Sansa sent to Robb to get him to come to Kings Landing. It's when Robb Stark calls the banner and starts the war.

IIRC, that note was innocently written, under duress and led to believe by Cersi that Ned would be pardoned and all done right if Rob would reaffirm his allegiance by taking the knee before Geoffrey.

Not Cersi's intent but Sansa was innocently grasping for straws and very unaware of the ways of that world.

Clear that Little Finger would be happy driving a wedge between the two sisters. He's got nothing at all with which to control Arya and he's THAT CLOSE to her sending him to his just rewards.

snapper
17 Aug 17,, 21:11
Whole pretty contrived story and ALL the costs of filming it are worth it for Maisie Williams (Arya).

xerxes
18 Aug 17,, 01:39
Euron has the dragon binder horn in the books so.... Losing the Iron Fleet is game over for Cersi, but that battle might not go Dany's way. Based on Theon's arrival on Dragonstone, we may see Dany invade the Iron Islands to rescue Yara and try and bait Euron.


The show completely and utterly botched the Greyjoy arc with Euron. How fast they were able to build that fleet was not well done. I don't need a season showing workers building ships, but it is still didn't make sense.
In the show he looks like a complete clown. In the books, he is mysterious whereas the brother is the hard soldier.

Same with the Dornish arc story. Completely botched.

xerxes
18 Aug 17,, 01:41
Are you sure about this? I'm relying on the maps online, but it looks like they could march an army north if they wanted to. That may not be feasible and they may not wish to get involved now, but it doesn't look to me like they need ships to get there.


it is connected by land; but it faster to go via sea as their capital is all the way to the east.

GVChamp
21 Aug 17,, 23:08
Dany needs to hit those command and control elements first.

xerxes
27 Aug 17,, 16:46
Saw episode 6 yesterday

i have to admit the plot arc evolving around the reasons why they had to go North to capture an undead was incredibly weak. Perhaps it was rushed.
By far the first 4 episodes were the strongest (loved all 4 of them), but episodes 5-6 seem to be the weakest in terms of convincing the audience why they had to go north and the execution behind it.

The raven seem to be working like emails nowadays. I guess Eastwatch has the last wifi connection before getting into the Unknown Scotland, so that's why Gendry had to run back to the Hadrian's Wall.

Also would have been nice to have seen a few seconds screen times of the redshirts accompanying the Seven Samurai on their northward journey. And not just to see them at the point of their death, totally out of blue. I saw three redshirts getting killed, and everytime i thought it was on the main characters at first.

Toby
28 Aug 17,, 09:07
Saw episode 6 yesterday

i have to admit the plot arc evolving around the reasons why they had to go North to capture an undead was incredibly weak. Perhaps it was rushed.
By far the first 4 episodes were the strongest (loved all 4 of them), but episodes 5-6 seem to be the weakest in terms of convincing the audience why they had to go north and the execution behind it.

The raven seem to be working like emails nowadays. I guess Eastwatch has the last wifi connection before getting into the Unknown Scotland, so that's why Gendry had to run back to the Hadrian's Wall.

Also would have been nice to have seen a few seconds screen times of the redshirts accompanying the Seven Samurai on their northward journey. And not just to see them at the point of their death, totally out of blue. I saw three redshirts getting killed, and everytime i thought it was on the main characters at first.
Haha, As the Dothraki approach the Lannister army, the hearing them but not seeing them before they eventually appear across the horizon had a feel of Zulu in the Spoils of war. Nice flamethrower action from the USAF .....sorry I mean dragon

Mihais
28 Aug 17,, 13:50
Saw episode 6 yesterday

i have to admit the plot arc evolving around the reasons why they had to go North to capture an undead was incredibly weak. Perhaps it was rushed.
By far the first 4 episodes were the strongest (loved all 4 of them), but episodes 5-6 seem to be the weakest in terms of convincing the audience why they had to go north and the execution behind it.

The raven seem to be working like emails nowadays. I guess Eastwatch has the last wifi connection before getting into the Unknown Scotland, so that's why Gendry had to run back to the Hadrian's Wall.

Also would have been nice to have seen a few seconds screen times of the redshirts accompanying the Seven Samurai on their northward journey. And not just to see them at the point of their death, totally out of blue. I saw three redshirts getting killed, and everytime i thought it was on the main characters at first.

Plot armor for another season.What are those zombies gonna do if they cannot breach the wall and take citadels.But now they are a threat for everybody,regardless of the ability to swim.

The whole world needs to join hands to stop Hitler,err Putin,err whoever the zombie king represents :) Kumbaya!

Albany Rifles
31 Aug 17,, 15:30
I'm just glad the Scots have finally breached Hadrian's Wall and are able to invade Westeros....

Toby
31 Aug 17,, 15:46
I'm just glad the Scots have finally breached Hadrian's Wall and are able to invade Westeros....so if the wildlings are the Scots then who are the undead..... A Glaswegian stag party?

Albany Rifles
31 Aug 17,, 17:25
so if the wildlings are the Scots then who are the undead..... A Glaswegian stag party?

I think the author is saying the Scots are the undead...ya know, that whole painted blue part? or maybe its the Danes.

Is Dany filling the role of William of Normandy?

Either way the imagery is stark (get it!)

Oh well...back to binge watching Justified and pro and college Football!

Toby
31 Aug 17,, 17:33
I think the author is saying the Scots are the undead...ya know, that whole painted blue part? or maybe its the Danes.

Is Dany filling the role of William of Normandy?

Either way the imagery is stark (get it!)

Oh well...back to binge watching Justified and pro and college Football!
Ah right....I'm seeing it slightlly differently....probably because Im in the north.......but yeh the parallels are defo there......apparently the scots didn't paint themselves blue....just Mel Gibson.....probably on on a glaswegian stag do.....again..lol

GVChamp
31 Aug 17,, 21:48
Next season does not come out until November 2018....long, long, long wait :(

I am not down with the incest, even after all these seasons. Ewwww.

xerxes
01 Sep 17,, 03:35
Next season does not come out until November 2018....long, long, long wait :(

I am not down with the incest, even after all these seasons. Ewwww.


They have to i think.
As the filmmakers trying to capture more the winter and the greyness during the shooting which would be in winter before it.


There is the new Star Trek show starting in CBS though.
I personally believe it would be flop as they made too many tweaks. But even expensively made wrecks are sometimes fun to watch.