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citanon
08 Jul 16,, 06:40
A shocking and tragic turn of events:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/07/two-police-officers-reportedly-shot-during-dallas-protest.html


snipers during Dallas protest, chief says
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DEVELOPING: At least four Dallas police officers were killed Thursday after being targeted by two snipers in a downtown parking garage Thursday night during a protest over police shootings of African-Americans.

Fox News confirmed late Thursday that no suspects were in custody, contrary to earlier reports. Dallas Police Chief David Brown told the news conference that police had one suspect "cornered", but made no mention of a second suspect.

Brown confirmed that seven other officers were injured and one civilian was wounded in the shooting. Three of the injured officers were in critical condition and two others were in surgery.

Dallas' public transit agency, DART, confirmed on Twitter that one of its officers was shot and killed, while three of its officers suffered non-life-threatening injuries.

Fox4 cameras captured protesters running away from the scene of the shooting shortly before 9 p.m. local time. A cameraman approached the scene and captured officers apparently lying on the ground.


A Fox4 reporter said he heard approximately 10 gunshots downtown. That reporter was told by an officer police were searching for someone with a rifle.

The status of the shooter was not immediately clear. Aerial images showed officers appearing to focus their search on a parking garage.

Witness Carlos Harris told the Dallas Morning News the gunfire was "strategic. It was tap-tap-pause. Tap-tap-pause."

Michael Batista told KDFW the protest march had been "very peaceful" before the shooting started.

Brittany Peete, a demonstrator, told the Associated Press she didn't hear the gunshots, but she "saw people rushing back toward me saying there was an active shooter."
Peete said she saw a woman trip and nearly get trampled as people ran to get to safety.
"Everyone just started running," Devante Odom, 21, told The Dallas Morning News. "We lost touch with two of our friends just trying to get out of there."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

dan m
08 Jul 16,, 07:40
I'll state the obvious here and I'm sorry for doing so: This is horrible. Dead citizens and now police. The death ,fear and mistrust is mind numbing. Hope no more lives are lost tonight, but according to the news it seems like a cornered gunman is determined to take more officers down with him. :(

citanon
08 Jul 16,, 09:29
Suspect pictured carrying a weapon turned out to be law abiding citizen exercising 2nd amendment rights. He turned him self in to police and has been cleared.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-pd-releases-image-of-sniper-suspect/

Parihaka
08 Jul 16,, 11:28
This is a sad sad day

Officer of Engineers
08 Jul 16,, 14:03
I'm disturbing shocked and even more shocked that I'm not surprised.

Deltacamelately
08 Jul 16,, 14:09
Rest in Peace.

Doktor
08 Jul 16,, 14:19
I'm disturbing shocked and even more shocked that I'm not surprised.

Same. Even more I am shocked from not being surprised that some people justify the shootings.

God bless.

bonehead
08 Jul 16,, 17:02
With one night we have been taken back to the 1960's. This has been a long time coming and I think that many saw this on the horizon. Relations between parts of the black community and law enforcement have been coming to a head and now it has finally happened. The racial undercurrent disharmony can no longer be swept under the rug and be ignored. Either the criminals on both sides are to be dealt with or we will have open warfare on the streets. My hope is that people from all sides see the realities that precipitated this tragedy and find effective ways to ensure similar events do not follow. Not holding my breath though as recent history shows that all sides will jump in their well used ideological trenches and we end up making no headway on the issue. We need to stop kicking the can down the road and meet these issues head on. It is not easy, politically correct, or comfortable, but it is the right thing to do.

Mihais
08 Jul 16,, 17:06
The fvckers had at least some basic CQB training


http://basedheisenberg.tumblr.com/post/147080346513/graphic-warning-this-is-a-short-recording-of?ref_url=http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.ro/

drhuy
08 Jul 16,, 18:17
the suspected shooter Micah Xavier Johnson

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/512/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2016/7/8/87275097-08f8-4037-843b-cd1012fb97da.jpg

tbm3fan
08 Jul 16,, 20:54
With one night we have been taken back to the 1960's. This has been a long time coming and I think that many saw this on the horizon. Relations between parts of the black community and law enforcement have been coming to a head and now it has finally happened. The racial undercurrent disharmony can no longer be swept under the rug and be ignored. Either the criminals on both sides are to be dealt with or we will have open warfare on the streets. My hope is that people from all sides see the realities that precipitated this tragedy and find effective ways to ensure similar events do not follow. Not holding my breath though as recent history shows that all sides will jump in their well used ideological trenches and we end up making no headway on the issue. We need to stop kicking the can down the road and meet these issues head on. It is not easy, politically correct, or comfortable, but it is the right thing to do.

Exactly the same thing I was thinking. The 60's again. Watts again. Distrust on both sides.

It was only a matter of time before some decided enough was enough and would strike back. Human nature. You can only be pushed so far before...

troung
09 Jul 16,, 02:42
Give the robot a medal.

Expert: Dallas PD’s use of bomb robot unprecedented but legal
By Sean Collins Walsh
Friday, July 8, 2016​

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The Dallas Police Department’s decision to end a stand-off with the man suspected of killing of five officers by killing him with a bomb-carrying robot was unprecedented but perfectly legal, said Pete Blair, executive director of a nationally recognized police active-shooter training facility in San Marcos.

Officers are permitted to use lethal force when a suspect is threatening lives, Blair said, and there is no restriction on what method of lethal force they use.

“Deadly force is deadly force. So if it reaches that level where you could shoot them, you could use other forms of force just as readily,” said Blair, an associate professor at Texas State University and leader of the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Center. “If I have a choice between risking the lives of officers with somebody we know has already murdered officers and risking a piece of machinery, I’d rather risk the piece of machinery.”

The explosive employed by Dallas police, a breaching charge, is typically used to blow up doors or barricades to allow police to enter a building or room, Blair said. It is unclear what type of robot was used, but many police departments have robots that are used to defuse bombs or inspect suspicious packages.

Dallas Police Chief David Brown said Friday morning that using the explosive was the only way to end the stand-off without risking the lives of more officers after the suspect, identified as Micah Xavier Johnson, had already killed five and wounded seven.

“We cornered one suspect and we tried to negotiate for several hours. Negotiations broke down. We had an exchange of gunfire with the suspect. We saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was,” Brown told reporters.

Other policing experts agreed with Blair’s assessment of the decision. The event marked a “new horizon for police technology” but not for the law surrounding police use of force, Seth Stoughton, an assistant professor of law at South Carolina University, told The Atlantic magazine.

“If someone is shooting at the police, the police are, generally speaking, going to be authorized to eliminate that threat by shooting them, or by stabbing them with a knife, or by running them over with a vehicle,” he said. “Once lethal force is justified and appropriate, the method of delivery — I doubt it’s legally relevant.”

http://www.mystatesman.com/news/new...s-pds-use-of-bomb-robot-unprecedented-/nrtqb/

surfgun
09 Jul 16,, 04:54
Of course some officers don't have the correct temperament, but statistics show that minorities are safer being confronted by a white police officer than one of Hispanic or black ancestry. That's right a white officer is less likely to use a firearm against a black suspect than a black officer. Black males are about 6% of the population in the USA and kill about 40% of the police officers that are killed by firearms.
Not to mention there is a segment of the black population that is filled with anarchists that surround every aspect of their life with chaos and resent any concept of rules and order. So by nature they hate anyone that tries to impose regulations upon them, thus the F' the police mentality.
I reiterate that is just a segment, but is the segment that propagates the drama in race relations.

astralis
09 Jul 16,, 05:26
Of course some officers don't have the correct temperament, but statistics show that minorities are safer being confronted by a white police officer than one of Hispanic or black ancestry. That's right a white officer is less likely to use a firearm against a black suspect than a black officer. Black males are about 6% of the population in the USA and kill about 40% of the police officers that are killed by firearms.
Not to mention there is a segment of the black population that is filled with anarchists that surround every aspect of their life with chaos and resent any concept of rules and order. So by nature they hate anyone that tries to impose regulations upon them, thus the F' the police mentality.
I reiterate that is just a segment, but is the segment that propagates the drama in race relations.

that's quite the extraordinary combination of strange (and poor use of) statistics and blanket statements that you've got there.

surfgun
09 Jul 16,, 12:30
astaralis, may I suggest some light reading for your reading list? The War on Cops.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1594038759?camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1594038759&linkCode=as2&pc_redir=T1&redirect=true&tag=theofficiw0c2-20

Officer of Engineers
09 Jul 16,, 14:43
Extremely bad use of statistics. Considering that cops are overwhelmingly white and 99% of all police actions are non-confrontational, parking and speeding tickets, that skewed your use of your statistic into meaningless.

Oracle
09 Jul 16,, 16:03
This is terrible. Rest in peace.

bolo121
10 Jul 16,, 16:04
RIP to the dead.

I came across this pretty comprehensive workup on death by cop. Doesn't favour the black view much.

How bad are police?
https://imgur.com/gallery/XsKhT

Double Edge
10 Jul 16,, 17:29
Motives ?

Officer of Engineers
10 Jul 16,, 18:11
Payback.

tbm3fan
10 Jul 16,, 20:44
RIP to the dead.

I came across this pretty comprehensive workup on death by cop. Doesn't favour the black view much.

How bad are police?
https://imgur.com/gallery/XsKhT

Be very careful when looking at statistics. They can be massage any which way to backup one's point of view. I much prefer the raw numbers when looking at things. One raw number not up there was how many of those killed by police were unarmed?

As for the police, and mind you I have no grudge against them, but I have learned over my life they are no better or worse than the general population. The San Francisco PD and Oakland PD have had ongoing problems with racism in their ranks for years and years to this day. Oakland Raiders comes to mind. Also both departments have had ongoing problems with sex scandals and sexual abuse via their power over prostitution. If I had to put a number on how bad it is I would guess 25-30% should be removed from the forces. One last thing and that is Oakland went through three Chiefs in less than 10 days because of a sex scandal and racist texts. The first Chief to retire was black followed by two white replacements. There is currently no Chief at this time.

Chunder
11 Jul 16,, 12:48
Be very careful when looking at statistics. They can be massage any which way to backup one's point of view. I much prefer the raw numbers when looking at things. One raw number not up there was how many of those killed by police were unarmed?


It said 9% of 990.

Triple C
11 Jul 16,, 14:03
My quick reading of the feuding literature quickly produces the impression that there isn't even an agreed-upon data set for conducting those statistical analyses. One active commentator on police matters denying systematic racial bias used a website that tracks "officer homicides" by pulling media reports from the net, of which the race of the deceased in 25% of the incidents are unlisted. Another advocacy group saying that black teens are more likely to be shot and killed by the police by a staggering degree uses FBI data, which relies on PD self-reporting, and many jurisdictions had stopped handing those reports to the FBI for years.

In any rate, kind of irrelevant to the murder of Dallas police officers, who were by all accounts keeping order with professional restraint and killed for no good reason by a deranged assassin.

Double Edge
11 Jul 16,, 16:09
In any rate, kind of irrelevant to the murder of Dallas police officers, who were by all accounts keeping order with professional restraint and killed for no good reason by a deranged assassin.
yeah, that's the tragedy here.

The extremists hijacked the moderate agenda.

Makes the problem worse.

tbm3fan
12 Jul 16,, 05:37
The surgeon who tried to save the officers. Poignant.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/us/emotional-dallas-dr-williams/index.html


(CNN)Dr. Brian H. Williams, a trauma surgeon at Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, was on duty last Thursday night when wounded police officers began to arrive in the ER.

Speaking to CNN's Don Lemon Monday night, he said that the experience has affected him deeply and was like "this this bad movie on an endless loop."

He added: "Going to work has forced me to kind of push it aside temporarily but it continues to break through.

"I'm thinking about the officers and their families and the men that were killed in Baton Rouge and Minnesota last week and I compare my situation to theirs and it's hard for me to focus on myself right now."

Central to the conflict that Williams feels is the experiences he has as both a surgeon and as a black man, and the different reactions that his professional and personal appearances elicit.

"Clearly when I'm at work dressed in my white coat the reactions I get with individuals and the officers I deal with on a daily basis is much different to what I would get outside the hospital in regular clothes and my fear and mild inherent distrust in law enforcement, that goes back to my own personal experiences that I've had in my own personal life as well as hearing the stories from friends and family that look like me, that have had similar experiences," he said.

"You put that all together, that will explain why I feel like I do."

'Going nonstop'

At an earlier press conference, an emotional Williams said he "had been going nonstop" since the shooting and talked about the aftermath of the ambush that killed five officers.
Dallas trauma surgeon: This has to stop

"I think about it everyday that I was unable to save those cops when they came here that night," Williams said . "It weighs on my mind constantly. This killing, it has to stop."

"This experience has been very personal for me and a turning point in my life," said Williams, who is African-American. "We routinely care for multiple gunshot victims. But the preceding days of more black men dying at the hands of police officers affected me. I think the reasons are obvious. I fit that demographic of individuals. But I abhor what has been done to these officers and I grieve with their families."

The ambush in Dallas followed the fatal shooting by police of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota.

The black community and the police need to work together, Williams said.

"I understand the anger and the frustration and the distrust of law enforcement, but they are not the problem," Williams said. "The problem is the lack of open discussions about the impact of race relations in this country. Black men dying and being forgotten. People are retaliating against the people who are sworn to defend us. We have to come together. And end all this."

citanon
12 Jul 16,, 07:50
The surgeon who tried to save the officers. Poignant.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/us/emotional-dallas-dr-williams/index.html

Wow, this guy sounds more presidential then all of our so called "leaders" put together.

Parihaka
12 Jul 16,, 11:29
Chicago on the Brink (http://www.city-journal.org/html/chicago-brink-14605.html)


The growing mayhem is the result of Chicago police officers’ withdrawal from proactive enforcement, making the city a dramatic example of what I have called the “Ferguson effect.” Since the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, in August 2014, the conceit that American policing is lethally racist has dominated the national airwaves and political discourse, from the White House on down. In response, cops in minority neighborhoods in Chicago and other cities around the country are backing off pedestrian stops and public-order policing; criminals are flourishing in the resulting vacuum. (An early and influential Ferguson-effect denier has now changed his mind: in a June 2016 study for the National Institute of Justice, Richard Rosenfeld of the University of Missouri–St. Louis concedes that the 2015 homicide increase in the nation’s large cities was “real and nearly unprecedented.” “The only explanation that gets the timing right is a version of the Ferguson effect,” he told the Guardian.)

Continues (http://www.city-journal.org/html/chicago-brink-14605.html), but not pretty reading.

Parihaka
18 Jul 16,, 05:28
A Youtube account operated by Gavin Eugene Long and discovered by The Daily Caller reveals key insight into what might have motivated the 29-year-old black man who killed three Baton Rouge police officers Sunday morning.

Videos on Long’s account show that he was a former Nation of Islam member. He also ranted against “crackers” and made references to Alton Sterling, the black man killed by police in Baton Rouge on July 5.

Other information about Long shows that the Kansas City native, who CBS reported was honorably discharged from the Marines in 2010, went by the name Cosmo Ausar Setepenra.

In one video filmed from Houston and posted to Long’s Youtube account on July 12, the suspected guman discusses being in the Marines and reaching the rank of E-5.
Continues (http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/17/baton-rouge-shooter-gavin-eugene-long-was-nation-of-islam-member-railed-against-crackers-on-youtube-channel-video/)


President Obama condemned the killing of three law enforcement officers (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/07/17/obama-attacks-on-police-have-to-stop.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl) in Baton Rouge, Louisiana as an "attack on all of us." Obama made his remarks from the White House, just a week after he eulogized five officers murdered in Dallas by another gunman. "I said that killer would not be the last person who tries to make us turn on each other, nor will today's killer," he said, adding, "That's up to us."

troung
18 Jul 16,, 06:38
Claimed to be a former member of a racist hate group.


Baton Rouge shooter identified as former marine, reportedly ex-Nation of Islam member
Published time: 18 Jul, 2016 01:26
Edited time: 18 Jul, 2016 01:30

https://www.rt.com/usa/351780-baton-rouge-shooter-identified/
The killed gunman in the Baton Rouge shooting was identified as Gavin Eugene Long, a former marine and allegedly a former Nation of Islam member. He reportedly carried out the attack on his 29th birthday.

The suspect is said to have been a black male from Kansas City, Missouri. On the day of the attack he reportedly turned 29, CBS News reported.
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Long allegedly left the Marines in 2010 with a rank of a sergeant E-5, after an honorable discharge.

The suspect used the pseudonym of Cosmo Setepenra in his online videos, where he talked about oppression and police protests. In some of the videos he made references to Alton Sterling, the black man who was killed by police in Baton Rouge on July 5.

Other videos also suggest he used to be a Nation of Islam member, which is an African American Islamic religious movement that was founded in Detroit, US.

Long attended the University of Alabama for short time, according to reports.

Other media reports said that he served seven months in Iraq and filed for divorce in 2011.

Baton Rouge shooting LIVE UPDATES

Three police officers were confirmed dead and three were injured in a shooting on Airline Highway near Old Hammond Highway on Sunday in the state capital of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, according to state police superintendent.


Boosie Badazz on Baton Rouge Shooting: "Attacks Against Cops Will Continue Until There Is Justice"
[Joshua Espinoza]
Joshua EspinozaJuly 17, 2016
https://www.yahoo.com/music/boosie-badazz-baton-rouge-shooting-013345260.html
Boosie Badazz says the violence against cops won't stop until officers are punished for killing black citizens.

Boosie Badazz has responded to the deadly police shooting that went down in his hometown of Baton Rouge, La. In a video released on Sunday evening, the rapper insists that the killing of Alton Sterling played a big part in the tragedy, which left three police officers dead.

In a video presented by TMZ, Boosie says many people are angry about the recent instances of police brutality against blacks; but perhaps more infuriating is that the cops are essentially getting away with murder.

“It’s a lot of anger down there, a lot of people are angry down there. Everybody I’m talking to when I call home they mad,” Boosie said in the video. “I don't think it’s going to stop until they really start convicting officers for doing what they do. If they don’t start convicting officers of what they’re doing, it’s just going to keep on escalating.”

Though Boosie says the attacks against cops are inevitable, he says he doesn't believe they're right.

"We've been going through a lot of stuff in Baton Rouge for so long, and this was their time to, I guess, to just express their madness," he said. "But I just tell everybody to calm down and let's just try to find a better way. I don't know the better way, but I just say calm down and try to find a better way."