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Officer of Engineers
31 Jan 16,, 06:55
Supposed Trump lost the Repbulican Nomination. Is there anything stopping him from running as an independent afterwards? Nothing malice about this but just trying to figure out Trump's options.

Stitch
31 Jan 16,, 07:37
Supposed Trump lost the Repbulican Nomination. Is there anything stopping him from running as an independent afterwards? Nothing malice about this but just trying to figure out Trump's options.

Trump has actually already threatened to do that and, as far as I can gather, the "establishment" Republicans would gladly see him go; only about half of his platform dovetails with the Republicans stated philosophy, the other half of his platform is diametrically opposed to that of the core Republicans. Either Cruz or Rubio are probably closer to the base GOP platform than Trump is.

tbm3fan
31 Jan 16,, 07:49
I don't see why not. Ross Perot ran two third party presidential races. I'm sure Trump knows the party doesn't care for him as they have no leverage. He does have an ego. He doesn't like to lose or be told no to. He is somewhat paranoid in that he doesn't think the party and some of the press treat him fairly. More likely don't give him the respect he demands and feels he richly deserves. So he is just the guy to stick a finger in their eye should he desire.

You are lucky and I envy you Canadians. You never seem to go through all this angst every time there is a national election like we do. Oh, the barbarians are at the gate. We need to ban. We need to isolate like we did to the Japanese. We aren't #1 in the world anymore. The world doesn't respect us anymore or more likely doesn't bow to our wishes. Fear, fear, fear. Someone out there is about to get you from any number of directions no matter who you are. So much for common sense.

Officer of Engineers
31 Jan 16,, 07:54
You are lucky and I envy you Canadians. You never seem to go through all this angst every time there is a national election like we do. Oh, the barbarians are at the gate. We need to ban. We need to isolate like we did to the Japanese. We aren't #1 in the world anymore. The world doesn't respect us anymore or more likely doesn't bow to our wishes. Fear, fear, fear. Someone out there is about to get you from any number of directions no matter who you are. So much for common sense.When was the last time you had to beg Texas (ie, Quebec) to stay in the country?

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

tbm3fan
31 Jan 16,, 08:21
Well, considering that we tend to go through this every 4 years ad infinitum I'd say it is more three of one and nine of the other.

Officer of Engineers
31 Jan 16,, 08:28
I'll trade you Selina Gomez for Celine Dion. Oh wait, you got her already. Never mind, you can keep both

Gun Grape
31 Jan 16,, 09:25
I'll trade you Selina Gomez for Celine Dion. Oh wait, you got her already. Never mind, you can keep both

Rumor has it. Now she is single, after an appropriate amount of time, she plans to move back to Canada. To be closer to you.

Officer of Engineers
31 Jan 16,, 09:27
Selina Gomez? As pretty as she is, that's cradle robbing.

Gun Grape
31 Jan 16,, 10:01
Selina Gomez? As pretty as she is, that's cradle robbing.

Don't be coy, Sir. Miss Gomez isn't the Canadian of the two

GVChamp
31 Jan 16,, 14:10
Serious question: why bother keeping Quebec?

Stitch
31 Jan 16,, 23:52
Rumor has it. Now she is single, after an appropriate amount of time, she plans to move back to Canada. To be closer to you.

Way to derail the thread, GG!

Now all we need is Yellow to show up and make it even worse . . .

Officer of Engineers
01 Feb 16,, 00:25
Serious question: why bother keeping Quebec?St Lawerence Seaway.

zraver
01 Feb 16,, 00:57
Supposed Trump lost the Repbulican Nomination. Is there anything stopping him from running as an independent afterwards? Nothing malice about this but just trying to figure out Trump's options.

Different states set different cut off dates to get on the ballot. The window is closing rapidly for any third party run.

DOR
01 Feb 16,, 09:04
Different states set different cut off dates to get on the ballot. The window is closing rapidly for any third party run.

zraver has the key answer to the original question: the cut-off date for appearing on a sufficient number of state ballots is too early for any failed "party" candidate to suddenly switch to being an independent. Write-in campaigns (candidate's name is not on the ballot, but voter can write it in by hand) are too difficult for the average voter.

Bigfella
01 Feb 16,, 09:15
Different states set different cut off dates to get on the ballot. The window is closing rapidly for any third party run.

Which begs the question - will the GOP hierarchy go harder at Trump once the window closes?

Stitch
01 Feb 16,, 18:28
Which begs the question - will the GOP hierarchy go harder at Trump once the window closes?

Well, Trump looks to take Iowa later on today (according to the polls), so I'm going to say the GOP "establishment" is prepared to sit on their hands and hope for the best, minus a major faux pas on Trump's part.

Double Edge
02 Feb 16,, 11:28
Either Cruz or Rubio are probably closer to the base GOP platform than Trump is.
jeb bush ?

JRT
02 Feb 16,, 16:23
Supposed Trump lost the Repbulican Nomination. Is there anything stopping him from running as an independent afterwards? Nothing malice about this but just trying to figure out Trump's options.

Any candidate would have to get on the ballots in the states, and each state has its own requirements for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_access

It may seem a low probability, but also far from an impossibility that Trump and/or Bloomberg could be running as independent candidates.

JRT
02 Feb 16,, 16:35
jeb bush ?

In Iowa last night, that question seemed to provoke the response, "Jeb who?".

...and not for lack of advertising Dollars.



Jeb Spends $2,884 Per Iowa Vote (http://www.weeklystandard.com/jeb-spends-2884-per-iowa-vote/article/2000869)
12:22 AM, Feb 02, 2016
The Weekly Standard

Florida governor Jeb Bush received 5,165 votes in Iowa. His vote total constitutes 2.8 percent of the Republican turnout, placing him in sixth place in the Iowa caucus.

Yet no candidate in either party spent more in the race than Bush.

According to MSNBC, Bush spent $14.9 million in Iowa, all coming from Bush's super PAC. (In fact, if one were to consider national ads and money from the campaign, the total would be significantly more.)

That means, the once Republican frontrunner spent $2,884 per Iowa vote.

gunnut
02 Feb 16,, 19:37
Rumor has it. Now she is single, after an appropriate amount of time, she plans to move back to Canada. To be closer to you.

Oooh...ouch....low blow!

m a x
02 Feb 16,, 19:41
http://www.segabg.com/pic/12039/789288.jpg

http://www.segabg.com/article.php?id=789288
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gunnut
02 Feb 16,, 19:43
jeb bush ?

Most Americans are tired of the so-called "political dynasties" of the Bushes and the Clintons. Do we really need or even want another Bush/Clinton? Do we not have anyone else capable of doing anything they do in this nation of 330 million people?

Iowa showed last night that people in both parties are done with the establishment. We want some fresh faces and fresh blood. Jeb spent almost $3k per vote in Iowa. Hilary lost a 40 point advantage in less than 3 months. Just hang on. This ride is just starting.

Bigfella
03 Feb 16,, 08:36
jeb bush ?

Jeb! be cooked. He needs a win or a couple of big second places in the next few to even be a contender. Unlikely.

Double Edge
03 Feb 16,, 22:03
Most Americans are tired of the so-called "political dynasties" of the Bushes and the Clintons. Do we really need or even want another Bush/Clinton? Do we not have anyone else capable of doing anything they do in this nation of 330 million people?
Right, after watching a show i learnt there is an anti-establishment current going on. Hillary bad, bush, bad. How quickly people forget on both sides any positives either brought. Both got two terms so people did think they were worth it a second time. And you just had a 8 year break from both. anti-establishment, hmm.

any way, fresh blood wanted.


Iowa showed last night that people in both parties are done with the establishment. We want some fresh faces and fresh blood. Jeb spent almost $3k per vote in Iowa. Hilary lost a 40 point advantage in less than 3 months. Just hang on. This ride is just starting.
i learnt that people are angry and about different things. This means more irrationality than anything sensible. So ignore anything crazy said or done because they have a crowd to please :)

How social mobility seems to have stopped when it was once taken for granted. You hear this when people say wages haven't really risen if one takes inflation into account. How true that is depends who you ask.

Dunno what can be done about that and who is best to do anything about it.

Another interesting bit I picked up is the Dems are a urban liberal & minority party only nowadays. The working class white got dumped by them about ten years back.

well, who are they to vote for. Neither the Dems nor the Repubs represent them any more.

This is causing Trump & Sanders to get followers. How they can follow Trump i don't understand. is talking trash enough ? End of the day, Trump is 'the man'. Sanders is your polite, sensible euro socialist. College kids like him. But they don't always come out to vote so Sanders staying power is so so.

Cruz is a TP'er. Cause of republican woes. This guys gets more traction and the repubs will be in still hotter water.

Early days.

gunnut
03 Feb 16,, 23:29
Right, after watching a show i learnt there is an anti-establishment current going on. Hillary bad, bush, bad. How quickly people forget on both sides any positives either brought. Both got two terms so people did think they were worth it a second time. And you just had a 8 year break from both. anti-establishment, hmm.

any way, fresh blood wanted.

I really don't want any more Bushes or Clintons running the government. HW Bush was not bad. Billy was a sex addict, but at least he was a pragmatist. GW Bush was too socialist. Hildabeast is a say-anything-to-get-elected politician with no morals. Jeb....don't know about Jeb, but he's probably a socialist too.


How social mobility seems to have stopped when it was once taken for granted. You hear this when people say wages haven't really risen if one takes inflation into account. How true that is depends who you ask.

Did social mobility stop? Since when did "social mobility" mean one works 30 years at the same job doing the same thing but having his salary adjusted higher than inflation every single year?

No. Social mobility means one could ditch a low paying job for a higher paying job without restrictions other than his qualification. A hamburger flipper cannot expect to work 30 years doing the same thing but make executive level salary, or even middle class salary. It's an unskilled, entry-level job. And it always will be.

Del Taco's president retired a few years ago. She worked her way up from sweeping the floors at a Del Taco restaurant to cashier, to manager, to corporate, to VP, and finally retired as the president of the company. That's social mobility. She's a woman, and from the name, a "minority." It seems like the American dream is alive.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS164973+01-Oct-2008+BW20081001



Dunno what can be done about that and who is best to do anything about it.

Easy, increase minimum wage every year so anyone with a job making minimum wage is middle class.

Parihaka
04 Feb 16,, 06:18
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7ZeC2C6WBLzdwAQE/giphy.gif

zraver
04 Feb 16,, 06:57
Which begs the question - will the GOP hierarchy go harder at Trump once the window closes?

Probably, they seem to be betting on Rubio first, Trump second and Cruz if they have too. I think Rubio and Cruz can both beat Hillary, I don't think Trump can. He has as much baggage as she does. However she has other concerns at the moment. Though the national media is still claiming she has the nomination all but wrapped up I don't think so. She will do well in the South with the black belt. But in the NE, midwest and west coast she will have a harder time of it. She still holds the aces, but no longer controls each and every face card.

tbm3fan
04 Feb 16,, 08:47
A majority is very unlikely to vote for an evangelical like Cruz anymore than they would vote for Ayatollah like Sadiq Hussaini Shirazi

GVChamp
04 Feb 16,, 13:48
40894

Our economy, explained in graph form

Double Edge
05 Feb 16,, 00:02
I really don't want any more Bushes or Clintons running the government. HW Bush was not bad. Billy was a sex addict, but at least he was a pragmatist. GW Bush was too socialist. Hildabeast is a say-anything-to-get-elected politician with no morals. Jeb....don't know about Jeb, but he's probably a socialist too.
You would like someone new & different. Experience isn't important here.


Did social mobility stop? Since when did "social mobility" mean one works 30 years at the same job doing the same thing but having his salary adjusted higher than inflation every single year?

No. Social mobility means one could ditch a low paying job for a higher paying job without restrictions other than his qualification. A hamburger flipper cannot expect to work 30 years doing the same thing but make executive level salary, or even middle class salary. It's an unskilled, entry-level job. And it always will be.

Del Taco's president retired a few years ago. She worked her way up from sweeping the floors at a Del Taco restaurant to cashier, to manager, to corporate, to VP, and finally retired as the president of the company. That's social mobility. She's a woman, and from the name, a "minority." It seems like the American dream is alive.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS164973+01-Oct-2008+BW20081001
Agree, the real wages line i've heard for many years now, it always comes up at election time.


Easy, increase minimum wage every year so anyone with a job making minimum wage is middle class.
If you do that won't everything you want become more expensive ?