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03 Jan 16,, 20:06
Can protest more I guess if a cop fired at the rock throwing mob protecting said alleged criminal.

(CNN)A city councilman fed up with police from other counties racing after small-time crooks in his Jackson, Mississippi, neighborhood has called for residents to throw things at officers in pursuit.

Now, the governor and a county sheriff are threatening to have prosecutors investigate him over the suggestion.

Councilman Kenneth Stokes has a reputation of saying what he thinks and stirring controversy.

"Let's get rocks; let's get bricks, and let's get bottles," Stokes told CNN affiliate WJTV. "And we'll start throwing them, and then they won't come in here anymore."

It was no one-off quip. Stokes repeated the suggestion to other local news outlets.

"When you have these police officers coming from other jurisdictions and they will not respect human life, then I said we should use rocks, bricks or bottles to try to get the message over: stop endangering our children," Stokes told Jackson's The Clarion-Ledger newspaper.
"Law Enforcement will not be intimidated by you. Any Madison county law enforcement that is attacked because of your ignorant statements, I will hold you responsible. I fully intend to contact the (Mississippi) Attorney General and inquire if your statements constitute assaults on officers by threat," the post read.

Gov. Phil Bryant joined him with a similar statement on Facebook.

"This is nothing short of an outright assault upon all who wear the badge. I will be asking Attorney General Jim Hood to investigate whether Mr. Stokes' remarks represent criminal threats against law enforcement officers," he said.

Walmart shoplifter

Stokes told local media that his comments were not a call to riots.

He said that he supports police, and that police from surrounding jurisdictions pursuing dangerous criminals such as armed robbers through Jackson is justified. But risking lives to chase people suspected of misdemeanors is not.

A recent chase appears to have brought Stokes to a boiling point that led to the rocks, bottles and bricks comment.

Officers from three towns chased a man who had shoplifted at a Walmart and assaulted people in the parking lot. Multiple police cars raced after the suspect through Jackson.

"It was a misdemeanor. They could easily break off the chase, get the tag number," Stokes said. "We'll pay for whatever they stole to make sure that our babies are not harmed. We want the same respect that they give to their neighborhoods given to Jackson neighborhoods."

Are police under siege?

21 Jul 16,, 14:20
reviving an old thread, but the topic seems better than slotting this under the recent shootings of police officers thread.

if nothing else there needs to be a serious look at the training and hiring standards for police officers.



Fla. police shoot black man with his hands up as he tries to help autistic patient
By Michael E. Miller July 21 at 4:21 AM

Charles Kinsey was trying to retrieve a young autistic man who had wandered away from an assisted living facility and was blocking traffic when Kinsey was shot by a North Miami police officer.

In cellphone footage of the incident that emerged Wednesday, Kinsey can be seen lying on the ground with his hands in the air, trying to calm the autistic man and defuse the situation seconds before he is shot.

“All he has is a toy truck in his hand,” Kinsey can be heard saying in the video as police officers with assault rifles hide behind telephone poles approximately 30 feet away.

“That’s all it is,” the caretaker says. “There is no need for guns.”

Seconds later, off camera, one of the officers fired his weapon three times.

A bullet tore through Kinsey’s right leg.

Kinsey said he was stunned by the shooting.

“I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me,” he told local television station WSVN from his hospital bed.

“Wow, was I wrong.”

Kinsey said he was even more stunned by what happened afterward, when police handcuffed him and left him bleeding on the pavement for “about 20 minutes.”

His attorney called the video “shocking.”

“There is no reason to fire your weapon at a man who has his hands up and is trying to help,” Hilton Napoleon told The Washington Post in a telephone interview Wednesday night.

Napoleon called for the department to fire the officer.

North Miami has not identified the officer or his race. The department said it is investigating the incident, which reportedly came after officers responded to a 911 call “of an armed male suspect threatening suicide.”

“Arriving officers attempted to negotiate with two men on the scene, one of whom was later identified as suffering from Autism,” police said in a statement Tuesday. “At some point during the on-scene negotiation, one of the responding officers discharged his weapon, striking the employee of the [assisted living facility].”

Police did not respond to multiple requests for comment. According to their statement, the officer who fired his weapon has been placed on administrative leave, as is standard policy in police-involved shootings.

Authorities have not said why the officer opened fire on an unarmed man with his hands prominently in the air.

The shooting comes at a tense time for both police and civilians.

Police across the country are currently on alert after gunmen ambushed officers in Dallas and Baton Rouge, killing eight.

At the same time, police are also under scrutiny after the fatal shootings of two black men earlier this month. Bystanders filmed Baton Rouge police fatally shooting Alton Sterling in the early hours of July 5. Less than 48 hours later, Philando Castile was fatally shot by an officer in Falcon Heights, Minn. His girlfriend streamed the aftermath on Facebook Live.

Like those two incidents, the Monday afternoon altercation was partially captured on camera.

Before the cameras started rolling, the young autistic man wandered away from a North Miami assisted living facility. A manager at the facility told WSVN that the man was “about 23 years old, he’s autistic, he’s nonverbal [and] he’s relatively low-functioning.”

The autistic man sat on the ground, blocking traffic, while he played with a small white toy truck, Napoleon told The Post.

Kinsey, an employee at the facility, went to retrieve him.

Around the same time, someone in the area called 911 and reported seeing a man with a gun threatening to commit suicide, police said.

According to Napoleon, Kinsey was trying to persuade the autistic man to get out of the street when police approached with their rifles raised.

With the Sterling and Castile shootings on his mind, Kinsey lay down on the ground and put his hands in the air.

“I was really more worried about him than myself,” Kinsey told WSVN, referring to the autistic man.

Two bystander videos capture snippets of what happened next.

[After Baton Rouge, a weary fear builds among those who protect and serve]

A video from before the shooting — obtained by Napoleon and shared with The Post — begins with bystanders saying “Look, look, look,” in Spanish.

“Mira, mira, mira,” a man can be heard saying, training his cellphone camera on Kinsey, who is on the ground with his hands up and trying to get the autistic man to do the same.

“Lay down on your stomach,” Kinsey tells the young man.

“Shut up,” the autistic man shouts. “Shut up, you idiot.”

Kinsey turns his attention to the police.

“Can I get up now?” he asks. “Can I get up?”

As police aim their assault rifles at the men in the street, Kinsey tries to explain to them that they pose no threat.

“All he has is a toy truck in his hand. A toy truck,” Kinsey can be heard saying in the video. “I am a behavioral therapist at a group home.

“That’s all it is,” he says, referring to the toy truck. “That’s all it is. There is no need for guns.”

“Let me see your hands,” a cop can be heard shouting at the autistic man. “Get on the ground. Get on the ground.”

The autistic man then begins to make noises, apparently playing with his toy.

“Rinaldo, please be still,” Kinsey tells his patient. “Sit down, Rinaldo. Lay on your stomach.”

The video then cuts out, leaving a critical gap in the footage.

Seconds later, off camera, one of the officers fired his weapon three times.

One of the bullets struck Kinsey near his right knee, exiting his upper thigh.

“My life flashed in front of me,” he told WSVN, adding that his first thought was of his family.

His second thought was one of confusion.

“When he shot me, it was so surprising,” he said. “It was like a mosquito bite, and when it hit me, I’m like, I still got my hands in the air, and I said, ‘No, I just got shot.'”

“Sir, why did you shoot me?” Kinsey recalled asking the officer.

“He said, ‘I don’t know.’ ”

A second video captures the moments after the shooting, as officers placed the injured Kinsey and the autistic man into handcuffs.

“He was like, ‘Please don’t shoot me,’ ” a bystander can be heard saying on the video. “Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?”

“Because the things with the blacks,” another man says.

“I don’t know who’s guilty,” adds what sounds like a woman’s voice.

It was the officers’ reaction after the shooting that upset Kinsey and Napoleon the most.

“They flipped me over, and I’m faced down in the ground, with cuffs on, waiting on the rescue squad to come,” Kinsey told WSVN. “I’d say about 20, about 20 minutes it took the rescue squad to get there. And I was like, bleeding — I mean bleeding and I was like, ‘Wow.’ ”

“Right now, I am just grateful that he is alive, and he is able to tell his story,” his wife, Joyce, told the TV station.

Kinsey was “dumbfounded” by the shooting, Napoleon said.

“He should recover physically but he is really kind of mentally distraught,” the attorney added. “As you can see in the video, he did everything he thought he had to do and then some … and still got shot.”

Napoleon said his client was on the ground with his hands up, as in the video, when shot.

“Nobody got up or approached” the officers, the attorney said, adding that the fact the officer fired three times shows it was “not an accident.

“The straw that really breaks the camel’s back, that makes it even more frustrating, is that after my client was shot, they handcuffed him and left him on the hot Miami summer pavement for 20 minutes while fire rescue came and while he was bleeding out,” Napoleon said. “But for the grace of God he wouldn’t be with us.”
What you need to know about the fatal police shooting of Alton Sterling
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On July 5, two white Baton Rouge police officers fatally shot 37-year-old black man Alton Sterling. Here's what you need to know. (Monica Akhtar/The Washington Post)

“That toy truck does not come close to looking like a gun,” he told The Post. “The officers had more than enough time to look and make a determination and not just base it on what they heard on the telephone. They have an obligation to go and look and determine if [reports of an armed man were] right and they had ample opportunity to do so.”

Napoleon said he knew better than most the dangers cops endure on a daily basis.

“You’re talking to someone whose dad was a police officer in the city of Detroit in the ’70s and ’80s,” he said. “I understand it. I had a fear when I was a child of whether or not my father was going to come home.

“But at the end of the day, we can’t use that as an excuse to allow police officers to shoot unarmed individuals,” he said. “Just like the police ask the community to not judge them based on … however many bad apples that are out there. In the same sense, they have to be able to hold themselves to the same standard and not hold the entire [black] community responsible for the incidents that happened in Dallas and Baton Rouge.”

Napoleon said he was already in negotiations with the City of North Miami regarding a possible settlement.

“I have confidence that the city is going to negotiate in good faith and try to resolve this issue,” he said. “At a minimum, we would request that they terminate the officer immediately based on what’s in the video.”

The attorney said he trusted the State Attorney’s Office, which is also investigating, to determine if criminal charges should be filed against the officer.

Napoleon said Kinsey, a father of five, is involved in community efforts to keep youth out of trouble and in school.

“He’s just a solid guy,” he said of his client, who remains hospitalized. “It takes a special individual to work with people with special needs, as this young man did. That shows his character.”

22 Jul 16,, 02:03
Unfortunately as the article mentions there is a critical gap in the footage. What happened isnt exactly clear. And Kinsey can say whatever he wants regarding verbal exhanges, unless it was recorded it means jack $#!+. An officer's word versus a dozen witnesses will take precedence.

I know it sounds insensitive, but having family members in LE, I dont really care, but people need to learn that cops dont NEED to listen to or believe a goddamn thing you say. You are not "right", you are not "special" and nor will cops "give you the benefit of the doubt". Listen to what they say, obey their orders, or shit like this is going to happen. I would be willing to bet that this dude did something, however slight, that got him shot. And truth be told, he's lucky it was just once in the leg.

I understand his intentions, and honestly, he might have saved the autistic dude's life. But, this is just the world we live in.


22 Jul 16,, 02:46
but people need to learn that cops dont NEED to listen to or believe a goddamn thing you say. You are not "right", you are not "special" and nor will cops "give you the benefit of the doubt". Listen to what they say, obey their orders, or shit like this is going to happen.

right words here,

I would be willing to bet that this dude did something, however slight, that got him shot. And truth be told, he's lucky it was just once in the leg.

absolutely wrong mentality here.

police officers are there to protect you and your rights, yes? to protect and serve.

so IF police officers are violating this charge by shooting compliant individuals, being trigger-happy, or using excessive force, this should be absolutely as abhorrent to you as it is to me.

this isn't a goddam police state. we owe the police respect and compliance with lawful orders, but definitely not the assumption with every police shooting that "oh the guy who got shot was probably non-compliant". there's been far too many cases of police abuse of power for that.

the bond between the police and the community is a bond of trust, and when that's broken, it is -especially- the responsibility of the public servant to bend over backwards to repair that breach. it strikes me as ironic that so many conservatives, the champion of individual power over that of the state, seem to ignore this.

22 Jul 16,, 03:21
right words here,

absolutely wrong mentality here.

police officers are there to protect you and your rights, yes? to protect and serve.

so IF police officers are violating this charge by shooting compliant individuals, being trigger-happy, or using excessive force, this should be absolutely as abhorrent to you as it is to me.

this isn't a goddam police state. we owe the police respect and compliance with lawful orders, but definitely not the assumption with every police shooting that "oh the guy who got shot was probably non-compliant". there's been far too many cases of police abuse of power for that.

the bond between the police and the community is a bond of trust, and when that's broken, it is -especially- the responsibility of the public servant to bend over backwards to repair that breach. it strikes me as ironic that so many conservatives, the champion of individual power over that of the state, seem to ignore this.

That is a big "IF", and agreed. However, my mentality is MINE. I dont ask that people agree with or accept it, I am just speaking from a personal position. Dont agree with it? No worries.

A public trust is a two way street, and the public has a lot of repairs to do as well. But, jumping to conclusions in an obviously complicated situation isn't going to help.

I dont know if you have ever carried a weapon with a duty to protect, but sometimes there are instantaneous and unclear events that require decisive action. Not that I have ever fired my weapon, but I have plenty of friends and family that have. It's never a decision taken lightly, and the consequences always lay heavy... even if there is no repercussion.

Btw, not really a conservative, but good try on the pigeon hole.

22 Jul 16,, 04:25
That is a big "IF", and agreed. However, my mentality is MINE. I dont ask that people agree with or accept it, I am just speaking from a personal position. Dont agree with it? No worries.

sure, but your arguments have been repeated by others. usually in a cruder format, something along the lines of "those thugs had it coming."

Btw, not really a conservative, but good try on the pigeon hole.

oh, i wasn't meaning you directly with that comment. i just think it's a bit amusing how many government-is-the-root-of-all-evil conservatives have suddenly become law-and-order, the police-are-never-wrong types.

22 Jul 16,, 14:24
oh, i wasn't meaning you directly with that comment. i just think it's a bit amusing how many government-is-the-root-of-all-evil conservatives have suddenly become law-and-order, the police-are-never-wrong types.

Personally I find it irritating that people immediately jump to the conclusion that "small government whatevers" are immediately labelled as "all government is evil" or even worse.

Sure you've got some anarchists and separatists out there. But that's like labelling people on the left as automatically Communist. That happens a lot and I'm sure leftists don't care for that either.

I daresay that the vast majority of conservatives are staunchly pro-law enforcement.

22 Jul 16,, 15:44

I daresay that the vast majority of conservatives are staunchly pro-law enforcement.

well, first off i disagree with the idea that one is either "pro-BLM" or "pro-law enforcement". the core behind BLM is ensuring that the law is applied equally. anyways, i digress.

have you noticed, though, WHY it is that conservatives have highlighted very specific parts of the government for their ire? the IRS, the EPA, the Bureau of Land Management. mandatory insurance coverage. the state department.

now we have a situation where some agents of the state have shot people to death despite compliance, oppose body camera legislation, or oppose release of body camera footage. and instead of raging like the above, the overall reaction is "shrug"...at best. the GOP nominee just called himself the "law and order" candidate.

there was a small civil war within the NRA (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/09/the-nras-internal-revolt-over-philando-castile/) over the recent shooting of Philando Castile, with many NRA members wondering why the NRA was so conspicuously silent on the subject.

so past a few libertarians, one has to wonder where the usual conservative outrage over state overreach is. why the difference?

22 Jul 16,, 16:19
Doesn't the fact that the NRA had a small civil war say that there ARE conservatives who are suspicious of police officers?

I am certainly suspicious of this particular event, but I am not going to get worked up into a rage over this particular incident. Looks like a job for the local police to investigate

22 Jul 16,, 17:26
I would be willing to bet that this dude did something, however slight, that got him shot. And truth be told, he's lucky it was just once in the leg.

He apparently did nothing wrong, and was totally unlucky.


North Miami Officer Was Aiming At Man With Autism, Union Chief Says

July 22, 201610:32 AM ET

Bill Chappell

Days after Charles Kinsey was shot by North Miami police as the behavioral health care worker tried to help a patient, we now know more about the officer who fired the shot and according to the head of the local police union, the officer was trying to shoot Kinsey's patient, a man with autism, not Kinsey.

"Fearing for Mr. Kinsey's life, the officer discharged his firearm, trying to save Mr. Kinsey's life," says John Rivera, president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association. "And he missed, and accidentally struck Mr. Kinsey."

Rivera also declared that the case is different from other recent incidents of police shootings of black men, stating, "Folks, this is not what the rest of the nation is going through."

He added, "This is not a case of a rogue cop, this is not a case of police abuse."

The officer was one of several who responded to a call to the North Miami Police Department about an armed man who was threatening suicide, as Rivera said in a news conference that was covered by The Miami Herald. He said the officers saw Kinsey, who is black, in the middle of the street with a white male later identified as a patient who had wandered away from an assisted living facility group home (and whose ethnicity we haven't separately learned).

"It appeared to the officers that the white male was trying to do harm to Mr. Kinsey," Rivera said, citing the man's motions toward Kinsey just before the officer opened fire.

It was only much later, Rivera said, that the officers realized two important facts: that the man next to Kinsey has autism, and that he did not have a gun.

Rivera provided the new details late Thursday, after video of the encounter between Kinsey, his patient and the police led to new accusations of police misuse of force. He says a widely circulated video of the event has been incorrectly perceived, noting that it was filmed from a vantage point closer than that of the officers who were on the scene.

Rivera said he was speaking about the case "to fix some wrongs" in the discussion it has generated, describing it as a tragic accident brought on by officers' uncertainty over the patient's intentions. He did not dispute Kinsey's account, in which Kinsey has said he had his hands up when he was shot.

"Listen, Mr. Kinsey did everything right," Rivera said. "Let's be clear about that. Mr. Kinsey did everything right."
Reading a brief statement from the officer who shot Kinsey, Rivera said, "I took this job to save lives and help people. I did what I had to do in a split second to accomplish that, and I hate to hear others paint me as something I am not."

While acknowledging that all the facts of the case are not yet known, the police union chief also urged politicians not to use "gamesmanship" in discussing the case.

As we reported yesterday, Kinsey says he was lying on the ground with his hands up before he was shot an account that's backed by the video which captured the moments prior to the shooting. The shooting came during a tense situation, parts of which were captured on video, and published online this week. Kinsey later spoke to local TV news Channel 7 WSVN from his hospital bed to describe both his fears for his patient who was apparently playing with a toy truck in the street and his surprise at being shot.

Kinsey told Channel 7: "I just got shot! And I'm saying, 'Sir, why did you shoot me?' and his words to me, he said, 'I don't know.' "

Kinsey left the hospital last night, Channel 7 reports.

The North Miami Police Department has released few details about the case, other than to outline the basic circumstances and, last night, to identify the officer who shot Kinsey as a 30-year-old Hispanic man who's been on the police force for four years.

"The officer in this case ... wishes nothing but the best for Mr. Kinsey," Rivera said, adding that the officer "is praying for his speedy recovery."

An investigation into the shooting of Kinsey is ongoing; it now involves both the local state's attorney office and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

22 Jul 16,, 19:38
well, first off i disagree with the idea that one is either "pro-BLM" or "pro-law enforcement". the core behind BLM is ensuring that the law is applied equally. anyways, i digress.
I'm not sure where I gave that impression, that one is either pro-BLM or pro-LEO. It certainly wasn't my intention.

As for the core behind BLM, that was lost a long time ago. The movement itself was spurred by multiples lies and myths (the Michael Brown shooting) and quickly became hijacked by the anti-LEO mob.

have you noticed, though, WHY it is that conservatives have highlighted very specific parts of the government for their ire? the IRS, the EPA, the Bureau of Land Management. mandatory insurance coverage. the state department. That part is simple: These are the government agencies that are perceived, rightly or wrongly, to be the most oppressive, intrusive and out of control by conservatives and others.

so past a few libertarians, one has to wonder where the usual conservative outrage over state overreach is. why the difference?

Same place where the usual liberal outrage over foreign military operations is when Obama or any other Democratic president orders them. Where exactly that is, I couldn't tell you. Both sides drip with hypocrisy and false piety.

23 Jul 16,, 02:30
He apparently did nothing wrong, and was totally unlucky.


So, that's a big change from "Why did you shoot me?" and "I don't know." It sounds like the officer had time to RETHINK the events.

Officer of Engineers
23 Jul 16,, 05:44
so, that's a big change from "why did you shoot me?" and "i don't know." it sounds like the officer had time to rethink the events.
you've got to be shitting me!

The man panicked! Period!

23 Jul 16,, 16:07
So, that's a big change from "Why did you shoot me?" and "I don't know." It sounds like the officer had time to RETHINK the events.

Anything else in the crystal ball?

North Miami cop suspended for misleading probe of Charles Kinsey shooting

A North Miami police commander who radioed that a man was loading his weapon just before healthcare professional Charles Kinsey was shot was suspended without pay Friday for misleading investigators at the police department.

Sources familiar with the investigation into the incident that left Kinsey hospitalized for several days say Cmdr. Emile Hollant did more than just relay bad information — in a poor attempt to cover his tracks, he told police he wasn’t present when officer Jonathan Aledda shot Kinsey.

“Cmdr. Emile Hollant was placed on leave after evidence of conflicting statements given to the investigators of this specific case,” North Miami City Manager Larry Spring said Friday during a press conference. “This will not be tolerated.”

Hollant’s suspension comes only a week after he was promoted to commander during the same ceremony in which Gary Eugene was sworn in as North Miami’s new police chief.

“By giving misinformation to this department, he not only jeopardized Mr. Kinsey’s life and the life of his client, he jeopardized the life of every police officer that serves this city,” said North Miami Councilman Scott Galvin.

Aledda, a four-year SWAT team veteran, was placed on administrative leave for at least a week, which is customary any time an officer fires his weapon and strikes someone.

On an audio recording obtained by Miami Herald partner CBS4 that purports to be the police radio transmissions just before Kinsey is shot, someone can be heard saying, “He’s loading his weapon.”

It’s not clear on the audio if the officer is referring to Kinsey, or the 24-year-old autistic man seated on the ground next to him, who was under Kinsey’s care.

There was no weapon.

North Miami also released Aledda’s personnel file Friday. Those records show four years of above average and outstanding work, with one internal affairs investigation in which he was cleared.

In 2014, Aledda received commendations for making 28 arrests in one month and for the capture of two men on a robbery spree. A separate internal affairs investigation into Aledda focused on a man’s claim that the officer used too much force during a robbery investigation. Though the man turned out to be a victim of that crime, Aledda was cleared of any misconduct.

Kinsey, a 47-year-old married father of five who has worked at the MacTown Center for the Developmentally Disabled for more than a year, was shot Monday afternoon while trying to coax an autistic man he cared for back into the center.

A 911 call to police alerted them to a man standing in the roadway at Northeast 127th Street and 14th Aveune with a gun, who was threatening to kill himself. When police arrived, they found the autistic man sitting on the ground cross-legged and playing with a toy truck. Kinsey, in a yellow shirt and dark shorts, was standing beside him.

As police took positions behind poles and patrol cars, they ordered both men to lie down and place their hands in the air. Kinsey complied. The autistic man didn’t, at one point yelling at Kinsey to shut up as the healthcare worker begged him to lie down.

A video that shows a portion of the shooting — though not the shooting itself — shows Kinsey lying supine. He can be heard telling police, “I’m a behavioral therapist at a group home. There’s no need for guns.” Then he says, “Reynaldo, please be still Reynaldo. Lay down Reynaldo. Lay on your stomach.”
Cellphone video shows caretaker lying in the street before being shot by police

Video shows the scene before and after caretaker Charles Kinsey is shot. He is shown lying in the street with a 23-year-old autistic man before being hit by a bullet from an assault rifle fired by a North Miami police officer.
Provided by Hilton Napoleon

Then Aledda, who had taken aim with his assault rifle, fired three times. One of the bullets struck Kinsey in the leg. He spent several days recovering in the hospital and went home late Thursday night.

At a time of heightened tensions as videos continue to surface of unarmed black men being shot and sometimes killed by police, the video, which was given to the Miami Herald by Kinsey’s attorney Hilton Napoleon, has sparked worldwide outrage. Though it doesn’t show the shooting, Napoleon said he doesn’t believe it was edited before he received it.

Taken by someone who lives in an apartment complex adjacent to where Kinsey was shot, Napoleon said he received it in two parts. He believes the person who recorded the incident turned the camera off before the shooting, then back on after Kinsey was struck.

The shooting sparked calls for police department policy reviews by the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida and outraged U.S. Rep. Frederica Wilson of Miami Gardens, who visited North Miami this week and demanded answers. On Thursday night a group of about 40 Black Lives Matter protesters stormed the North Miami police department and called for the firing of Aledda.

Even presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign weighed in Friday, calling for national guidelines on the use of force by police. As it stands now, individual states have guidelines, but police departments within the states are allowed to tighten those requirements.

“The sad reality is that African-American men are far more likely to be stopped and searched by police, charged with crimes, or killed in police-involved incidents than white men,” Clinton’s senior policy adviser Maya Harris said in a prepared statement.

Though North Miami and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which is investigating the shooting, have been tight-lipped, the union representing Aledda made a rare admission Thursday.

In an attempt to ease tensions, Miami-Dade Police Benevolent Association President John Rivera said that Aledda was actually aiming at the autistic man on the ground with the toy — but missed and hit Kinsey. The union president said despite Kinsey’s pleas, officers thought that the autistic man’s toy truck was a gun and that Kinsey was in danger.

On Friday, Napoleon said he found the cop’s explanation implausible. He couldn’t understand how a trained SWAT team member not taking fire could be that inaccurate from 50 yards or less.

“If he’s aiming at the autistic kid, how he could miss,” Napoleon said. If that was the case, said the attorney, “he had plenty of time to tell my client to move.”

Napoleon also questioned why, if police were trying to save Kinsey’s life, they rolled him over and handcuffed him as he was bleeding from a bullet wound to his leg.

“They handcuffed him after he got shot,” he said.

Also Friday, Clint Bower, president and CEO at the facility where Kinsey works, called the behavioral therapist a “special hero,’ and said he was “appalled” at Monday’s events.

“Charles is an honest, hard-working and dedicated individual who did everything in his power to de-escalate a very volatile and dangerous situation, while complying fully with the orders of the North Miami police department,” said Bower.

Spring, the North Miami city manager, said Kinsey’s shooting has already created change. North Miami has formed a committee to try to improve its community policing. Among the members of the committee is the Circle of Brotherhood, an advocacy group that works to provide opportunity for black families.

Kinsey is a member.

Miami Herald Staff Writer David Ovalle contributed to this report.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article91406042.html#storylink=cpy

23 Jul 16,, 16:12
you've got to be shitting me!

The man panicked! Period!
Yeah...I mean, that seems to be the most likely explanation here.

23 Jul 16,, 18:46

24 Jul 16,, 01:24
you've got to be shitting me!

The man panicked! Period!

No argument with that, the "rethink" was intended as sarcasm. It just begs the question why did he panic?

Anything else in the crystal ball?
Always, whatcha got?

17 Aug 16,, 13:30
All the reason to buy a modern sporting rifle and stock up on ammo.

Tensions high after Milwaukee police shooting

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By Emanuella Grinberg and Thom Patterson, CNN

Updated 7:23 PM ET, Tue August 16, 2016

(CNN) — After a night of violent protests, tensions remained high in Milwaukee as residents gathered Sunday to mourn an armed man shot to death by police.

Family and friends of Sylville Smith, 23, held a candlelight vigil at the site of Saturday's shooting in a residential area of North Milwaukee.

The shooting triggered unrest in the city's north side Saturday night as protesters torched businesses and threw rocks at officers. Four officers were injured and 17 people were arrested, Mayor Tom Barrett said.

Smith's sister, Sherelle Smith, urged protesters to take the violence elsewhere, sobbing as she lamented that she would never be able to again hug her brother.

"Take that s*** to the suburbs. Burn that s*** down," Smith said. "You all want to hurt somebody, take that further out. Don't bring it here."

Another sister, Kimberly Neal, remembered a brother who "kept it real," a high school graduate who played basketball, a contrast to "the man with a lengthy arrest record" described by police.

Police body camera footage showed Smith holding a handgun during the encounter, Barrett said at a Sunday news conference. Police said the unidentified officer shot Smith after he failed to comply with orders to put his gun down. His gun was loaded with 23 rounds, more than the officer was carrying.

"He should have been tased, if anything," Neal said. "We want everybody to feel our pain."

At one point, the crowd chanted "ready for war," followed by a a chant of "peace, peace, peace."

Meanwhile, another group of about 100 gathered at the park near a BP gas station that was burned during Saturday's protests. Crowds ebbed and flowed at the station throughout Sunday; as night fell, community and church leaders led a prayer circle and spoke of a community that needs healing from ongoing "racism, injustices and oppression."

'Racial problems' in Milwaukee

The incident began when a pair of police officers stopped Smith and another person in a car on Saturday about 3:30 p.m., police said. The men fled the car and the officers followed, shooting Smith in the arm and chest when he failed to put his gun down, Barrett said.

The handgun, along with 500 rounds of ammunition, were stolen during a burglary in nearby Waukesha in March, police said.

Smith died at the scene, and the officer who fired the fatal shots was not injured. The officer is 24 years old and has six years of service with the Milwaukee Police Department -- three as an officer. He will be placed on administrative duty during an investigation.

The shooting occurred near the location of an August 9 double homicide in which a man was shot dead and another was fatally stabbed, police said.

City Alderman Khalif Rainey said the area has been a "powder keg" for potential violence throughout the summer.

"What happened tonight may not have been right and I am not justifying that but no one can deny the fact that there are problems, racial problems in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, that need to be rectified," Rainey said. "This community of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, has become the worst place to live for African-Americans in the entire country."

Rainey said Saturday's violence was a byproduct of inequities, injustice, unemployment and under-education.

"Something has to be done to address these issues," he said. "The black people of Milwaukee are tired; they are tired of living under this oppression, this is their life."

Go home, mayor pleads

As the chaos escalated Saturday, the mayor pleaded with protesters to end their demonstrations.

"If you love your son, if you love your daughter, text them, call them, pull them by the ears and get them home. Get them home right now before more damage is done," Barrett said.

"I know this neighborhood very, very well. And there are a lot of really really good people who live in this area -- in the Sherman Park area, who can't stand this violence."

The National Guard was activated but it will not be deployed unless authorized by police Chief Edward Flynn, Barrett said. By state law, the Wisconsin Department of Justice will lead the investigation.

"Last night was unlike anything I've seen. I hope I never see it again," Barrett said Sunday.

"A young man lost his life yesterday afternoon. And, no matter what the circumstances, his family must be hurting."

Editor's Note: An earlier version of this story mischaracterized what the sister of Sylville Smith was trying to convey. She was calling for peace in her community, urging protesters to go elsewhere.

CNN's Ana Cabrera reported from Milwaukee, and Joe Sutton and Ryan Young in Atlanta contributed to this report.

17 Aug 16,, 18:14
August 17, 2016, 11:15 AM

Grandfather: Man killed by Milwaukee police was just trying to survive

MILWAUKEE -- The man killed in a police shooting that sparked two nights of violence in Milwaukee suffered from cognitive and mental health issues, and he carried a gun because he had been shot more than once in the past, his grandfather said.

Sylville K. Smith had a lengthy criminal past, but was just trying to survive in the inner city, William Brookins told The Associated Press.

“In this city, there’s a lot of killings going on in the street,” said Brookins, who detailed Smith’s problems in a letter to a judge last year seeking mercy for his grandson. “He was afraid for his life. He was concerned about his safety and surviving.”

Smith, 23, was shot and killed Saturday after a brief foot chase that followed a traffic stop. Police say Smith was fleeing, and officials have said the officer’s body camera shows him being shot after he turned toward the officer with a gun in his hand.

The officer, who has not been identified, is black, as was Smith. A few hours after the shooting, violence erupted on the city’s largely black north side, with protesters hurling rocks at police and burning six businesses. A lighter night of protests followed Sunday. Monday was calm, though 10 people were arrested. There were no reports of protesters​ gathering on Tuesday night.

Smith had several run-ins with the law dating to 2013, including speeding, driving without insurance, driving with a suspended license and having open alcohol in a vehicle.

In 2013, he was charged with felony retail theft for allegedly stealing $1,600 worth of DVDs from a Milwaukee Walmart. According to a criminal complaint, Smith and another man were seen removing fans from their boxes and putting the DVDs in the boxes. Prosecutors later dismissed the charge.

A year later, he was charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a permit, a misdemeanor. According to court documents, two officers on bike patrol approached Smith and his friends after smelling marijuana in their vehicle and found a loaded .45-caliber pistol under Smith’s shirt. Smith pleaded guilty and was sentenced to one day in jail.

In early 2015, Smith was charged with reckless endangerment, a felony. Investigators alleged he opened fire on a man in retaliation for the man’s role in a fight between some girls weeks earlier. According to a complaint, Smith and the man got into a car chase before the man finally stopped and ran on foot. Smith chased after the man and shot at him. He eluded Smith by hiding behind a house, according to the complaint.

As that case was pending, Smith was charged with felony intimidation of a witness - the man he was accused of shooting at. Prosecutors said he had his girlfriend call the man and pressure him to recant. The man did, according to prosecutors, who dropped both cases that year.

Brookins said his grandson’s criminal record was “nothing in comparison to other people.” He said Smith had never been convicted of a felony.

“That’s the law, OK,” Brookins said. “He’s not guilty.”

He described Smith as a good kid with a “beautiful personality.”

Smith was known for his hip-hop dance moves and trained in gymnastics when he was in middle school, Brookins said.

He also suffered from mental health issues, Brookins said. He declined to go into detail, saying only that Smith had problems with “comprehension and understanding” and spent time in special classes in elementary and middle school. In a letter to the judge in the reckless endangerment case, Brookins wrote that Smith was receiving Social Security payments because of his mental health problems.

Smith had been shot on more than one occasion, Brookins said. The last time was “a few years ago” when he was hit six times in front of his mother’s house. His grandfather did not have any information on what precipitated the shooting but said Smith still carried bullet fragments in his body.

Smith started carrying a gun after that incident.

“That really had a great effect on him and his fear of being hurt and the need to protect himself from people trying to do him harm,” Brookins said.

Milwaukee police could not immediately confirm Brookins’ account. A spokesman told The Associated Press to file a records request.

Smith’s mother, Mildred Haynes, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that her son had recently received his concealed-carry license because he had been shot twice and robbed four times, including a robbery in which he was stripped of all his clothes. He leaves behind a 2-year-old son.

“I’m not going to say he was an angel. He was out here living his life,” Smith’s godmother, Katherine Mahmoud, told the newspaper.

“It’s hard to grasp he’s no longer here,” Brookins said. “Oh, my God. This is terrible.”
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19 Aug 16,, 14:58
Washington Examiner: Movement's demands aimed at weakening law enforcement

Washington Examiner • Published: August 19, 2016 •

A Department of Justice report on Baltimore's Police Department contains striking revelations of abuse by officers. For example:

• Black citizens are harassed without probable cause, leading to no charges or citations in 24 of every 25 cases.

• Excessive force has been routinely used even against people already in handcuffs.

• Retaliation is exacted against citizens for rudeness to officers.

Read all the recent editorials from The Oklahoman.

• Police interfere with people exercising their right to videotape police actions.

The list goes on, but is underwritten by a general lack of accountability. And such problems are not confined to Baltimore, but apparent in other police forces.

They must be fixed. Fortunately, the public already broadly agrees with this. An epoch in which anyone can videotape what is in front of them has made the problem apparent. Reform is not just on the way, but already being undertaken.

But, whilst there are legitimate grievances, the Black Lives Matter movement has added many absurd and unreasonable ones, that hinder rather than advance a cause that might otherwise garner more sympathy.

The group's official set of demands, released this month, seems less aimed at preserving black lives than at weakening law enforcement altogether, even at the expense of more black lives.

One BLM demand is the reversal (under the guise of deprivatization) of education reforms that have vastly improved conditions for a lot of many inner-city, mostly black, schoolchildren. This helps no one except teachers' unions, and by denying black children access to a good education it makes them more likely to pursue adult lives on the wrong side of the law.

Black Lives Matter also demands the abolition of all police surveillance, including the use of police body cameras, that have proven effective in reducing police brutality.

BLM insists that police be removed from schools; that "all deportations" cease, including those of criminal immigrants; that no one be sent to jails "as we know them" until "we achieve a world where cages are no longer used against our people."

This is unworkable nonsense, intended to be provocative and intransigent rather than to improve a criminal justice system that indeed needs improving. Everyone, to state the obvious, is safer when criminals are caught, convicted and put behind bars. The ability of police to enforce the law is non-negotiable.

The problem is not that police arrest too many criminals, or that they approach their job too strategically by using "predictive policing software," which BLM curiously wants abolished. The problem is not that suspects are required to post bail as a condition of release pending trial, which BLM also wants scrapped.

The answer to both crime and to those occasions when police step out of line is to strengthen the rule of law, not to weaken it. Black Lives Matter is not seeking arrangements that would improve the condition of black people. It is seeking to undermine and weaken a system which, though badly in need of reform, remains the best hope for protecting a minority community whose members are disproportionately the victims of crime, not just its perpetrators.

The demand that law enforcement be reduced or, as some radicals advocate, eradicated altogether, puts black people in special jeopardy. They are five times more likely to be murdered than white people. Denying them police protection would be a withdrawal rather than an enhancement of their civil rights.

Black Lives Matter takes a pathological view of American society that should be rejected by all right-thinking people. The lives of black people killed by the police are not more or less important than the far greater number of black lives extinguished by criminals.

The police work for the public, and they must do their jobs so every person in society feels safer with them around rather than with them absent. A less active or effective police force benefits no one, except those who would prey on peaceable, law-abiding citizens.

Police must be paid and trained better, and inadequate candidates must be rejected. This will require resources to be more wisely spent, which includes the reform of police pension systems to allow salaries to be raised.

There are lessons to be learned, too, from policing methods in other countries, about best practices for non-lethal management of suspects. American police forces should also follow the lead of Dallas and other cities that have made major changes successfully without any resulting spike in crime.

Body cameras should be mandatory in all police encounters (and worn properly so they are trained on the action, not on the ceiling). Incentives and new laws should ensure that police preserve all video footage, without suspicious disappearances or cameras deliberately covered up to hide abuses.

These and other changes will help create a society in which all members of the public, no matter their race, feel safe and trust the police. But Black Lives Matter, sparked by a central lie ("hands up, don't shoot") about Michael Brown's death in Ferguson, Mo., is a movement that continues to work against the truth. Police reform is necessary, but Black Lives Matter has none of the answers.

— Washington Examiner editorial, Aug. 12

20 Aug 16,, 01:49

That'a wonderful video, Wooglin...and a ggod thing he was walking with a cameraman and a shirt with large capital letters (in English) on black background...
Otherwise you don't just walk up to a police officer (particularly a solo officer and put your arms around them (particularly if the officer is shorter or female)...same as anyone who requires [I]space[I]...otherwise one might get tazored or worse.

But agreed the world needs love...one person and one smile at a time. "Peace"...

30 Aug 16,, 21:55

CHICAGO — The nation’s third-largest city has recorded 81 murders so far in August, making it the most violent month that Chicago has seen in nearly 20 years, according to Chicago Police Department data.

Chicago, which has already recorded 462 murders this year, according to police department data, hasn’t experienced this level of violence since the late 1990s and early 2000s when the city recorded 600 or more murders annually. The August murder toll is the most Chicago has seen in a single month since October 1996 when the city recorded 85 killings.

The latest victim, 16-year-old Elijah Sims, and a 15-year-old friend were shot late Monday as they were hanging out on the city’s West Side, police said.

Sims, who suffered a gunshot wound to the head, was rushed to a nearby hospital but succumbed to his injuries early Tuesday. The 15-year-old was shot in the back and remains hospitalized. Neither had gang ties, authorities said.

It’s been a difficult summer for Chicago, which has recorded more murders than larger cities New York and Los Angeles have tallied combined. The murder toll for Chicago is about 50% higher compared with the same period last year. Police have already recorded more than 2,300 non-fatal shooting incidents this year, about 48% more than at the same time last year.

Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson have blamed the rise in violence on increased gang activity and have repeatedly expressed frustration that state and federal gun laws aren’t tougher on habitual offenders.

Much of the violence is concentrated in predominantly African-American neighborhoods on the city's South and West sides. The uptick in violence comes as the black community's relationship with police has become increasingly strained following the court-ordered release last year of police video that showed a white officer shooting a black teen 16 times. Subsequent controversial police-involved shootings have further complicated the relationship.

Odd. No mention of BLM, protests, rioting, or disgruntled mobs....

30 Aug 16,, 22:24
Odd. No mention of BLM, protests, rioting, or disgruntled mobs....

It doesn't fit the BLM narrative that cops are casually gunning down young black men in the streets for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

21 Sep 16,, 19:12
A book or a gun....

Anger Simmers in Charlotte as 2 Narratives of Police Shooting Take Hold


CHARLOTTE, N.C. — A night of violent clashes between the authorities and protesters after the fatal police shooting of an African-American man left North Carolina’s largest city on edge Wednesday, as competing narratives began to take hold and residents here braced for the possibility of further unrest.

Officials in Charlotte urged calm and reiterated their position that the Tuesday afternoon shooting of the man, Keith L. Scott, 43, occurred after he posed an “imminent deadly threat” to police officers. But at the University City apartment complex where Mr. Scott was killed, critics of the city government suggested that investigators were covering up a murder, and cast doubts on the police’s account.

At a news conference on Wednesday, Kerr Putney, chief of the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department, said officers had found the gun that the police said Mr. Scott had brandished before an officer fatally shot him and were examining police video of the encounter between Mr. Scott and officers as Mr. Scott stepped out of a car.

“He did have a weapon when he exited the vehicle,” Chief Putney said. “Officers were giving loud, clear verbal commands. The suspect exited the vehicle with a handgun, threatening officers.”

While family members of Mr. Scott have said that he was unarmed, and was holding only a book, Chief Putney said Wednesday morning, “We did not find a book.”

About an hour later, John Barnett, a civil rights activist in Charlotte, said during a raucous news conference near the site of the shooting that Mr. Scott had simply been waiting for his son to arrive home from school.

“The truth of the matter is, he didn’t point that gun,” Mr. Barnett said. “Did he intend to really sit in a vehicle, waiting on his son to get home from school and then plot to shoot a cop if they pulled up on him?”

Adding to an atmosphere loaded with suspicion and mistrust, residents of the apartment complex gave varying accounts of Mr. Scott’s death.

Some gave a different account from the police of which officer had fired the fatal shots, and others said that no one had tried to administer C.P.R. on Mr. Scott as officials had said.

Some activists demanded an economic boycott of Charlotte, a hub of commerce and culture in North Carolina.

“Since black lives do not matter for this city, then our black dollars should not matter,” said B. J. Murphy, another Charlotte activist. “We’re watching a modern-day lynching on social media, on television and it is affecting the psyche of black people.”

Mr. Murphy added: “Everybody in Charlotte should be on notice that black people, today, we’re tired of this bull. We’re tired of being killed and nobody saying nothing. We’re tired of our political leaders going along to get along; they’re so weak, they don’t have no sympathy for our grief. And we want justice.”

As an overcast day in Charlotte wore on, no one seemed certain whether the city was poised for a repeat of the violence on Tuesday night.

“I do encourage the youth to be controlled,” Mr. Barnett said, “but I can’t control them.”

Mr. Murphy said pointedly that he expected more demonstrations.

“I’m not telling our brothers and sisters to stop,” he said. “We’re not going to get out there and tell y’all: ‘Oh, brother, you shouldn’t do that. You shouldn’t do this,’ when we ain’t getting no justice.”

Later, a chant of “Hands up! Don’t shoot” began. A man, deep into the crowd, shouted his gloomy assessment: “If you put your hands up, they’re still going to shoot.”

Attorney General Loretta Lynch said Wednesday that the Justice Department “is aware of, and we are assessing, the incident that led to the death of Keith Lamont Scott in Charlotte.”

On Tuesday night and into Wednesday morning, protesters blocked Interstate 85 and looted material from a tractor-trailer before setting the cargo ablaze, Chief Putney said. Other demonstrators threw rocks at officers, causing at least 16 injuries and damage to several police cars. The police made one arrest and used tear gas to disperse protesters.

The protests had begun peacefully, the chief said, but “when that behavior becomes violent,” officers had been compelled to respond more aggressively.

Chief Putney said that the shooting occurred on Tuesday just after 4 p.m., when officers arrived at the apartment complex to serve a warrant on a resident. While there, the officers saw Mr. Scott step out of a car, armed with a gun, the chief said.

The officers ordered Mr. Scott to drop the weapon, and when he did not, Chief Putney said, he was shot.

The chief said that police investigators were reviewing video from officers’ body cameras, but that he did not believe that Brentley Vinson, the officer who the police say killed Mr. Scott, was wearing a camera at the time of the shooting. Officer Vinson has been placed on administrative leave, the department said.

The protests began in the University City neighborhood in northeast Charlotte, near the University of North Carolina at Charlotte campus. WSOC-TV reported that looters later moved off the highway and tried to break into a Walmart before officers arrived in force to keep them out, and at least one family driving on Interstate 85 reported that their car’s windshield had been shattered by demonstrators throwing rocks.

In a series of Twitter posts, Mayor Jennifer Roberts urged calm and promised a thorough investigation into the death of Mr. Scott.

“The community deserves answers and full investigation will ensue,” Ms. Roberts wrote. “Will be reaching out to community leaders to work together.”

Although their accounts sometimes diverged, members of Mr. Scott’s family generally told local news outlets that he had not had a weapon. Instead, they said, he had been clutching a book while waiting to pick up a child after school.

The shooting revived scrutiny of a police department that drew national attention about three years ago when a white officer was quickly charged with voluntary manslaughter after he killed Jonathan Ferrell, an unarmed black man.

The shooting in Charlotte this week was the latest in a string of deaths of black people at the hands of the police that have stoked outrage around the country. It came just a few days after a white police officer in Tulsa, Okla., fatally shot Terence Crutcher, a black man who was unarmed and could be seen on video raising his hands above his head. The encounters, many of them at least partly caught on video, have led to intense debate about race relations and law enforcement.

In Charlotte, dozens of chanting demonstrators, some of them holding signs, began gathering near the site of the shooting on Tuesday evening. Around 10 p.m., the Police Department wrote on Twitter that it had sent its civil emergency unit to the scene “to safely remove our officers.”

“Demonstrators surrounded our officers who were attempting to leave scene,” the department said. It identified Officer Vinson, an employee since July 2014, as the officer who had fired his weapon. Officer Vinson is black, according to local reports.

According to the department, officers saw Mr. Scott leave a vehicle with a weapon soon after they arrived at the apartment complex.

“Officers observed the subject get back into the vehicle, at which time they began to approach the subject,” the department said in its first statement about the shooting. “The subject got back out of the vehicle armed with a firearm and posed an imminent deadly threat to the officers, who subsequently fired their weapon, striking the subject.”

On Facebook, a woman who identified herself as Mr. Scott’s daughter said the police had fired without provocation.

“The police just shot my daddy four times for being black,” the woman said moments into a Facebook Live broadcast that lasted about an hour. Later in the broadcast, she learned that her father had died and speculated that the police were planting evidence.

In the September 2013 case involving Mr. Ferrell, officials charged a Charlotte police officer with voluntary manslaughter after he fired a dozen rounds at Mr. Ferrell, killing him. The criminal case against the officer, Randall Kerrick, ended in a mistrial, and the authorities did not seek to try him again.

Correction: September 21, 2016

An earlier version of this article gave an incorrect time for the shooting. It occurred just before 4 p.m., not after 4.

22 Sep 16,, 03:54
Meanwhile in Massachusetts......


This was settled by the Supreme Court in 2000- perhaps the Mass Supreme Court hadn't read the brief?

Doesn't anyone consider the Law of Unintended Consequences?