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gunnut
15 Dec 15,, 02:19
Who's going on opening night?

I don't have tickets for opening night. I just bought tickets for Saturday night. I'm old. I don't need to stand in line for 7 hours and then fight the zoo for a decent seat to enjoy my movie.

TopHatter
15 Dec 15,, 03:53
I pre-bought my tickets but won't be seeing it until Sunday night. I just don't want to deal with the raucous crowds.

As far as the movie itself, my expectations are as follows: Just be better than the prequels.

Which means that an 8 year with an iPhone camera could fulfill that.

I'm already a tad irritated by the cutesy factor of "BB-8" (a soccer ball? really?) and some of the character names.
"Kylo Ren" is one of the big bad guys? With that name? Doesn't quite pop like Darth Vader now does it.

Anyway, George Lucas isn't involved in the slightest, so it ought to be a halfway entertaining movie.

Albany Rifles
15 Dec 15,, 04:00
https://youtu.be/riLaxQL09nA

YellowFever
15 Dec 15,, 05:04
I'm actually looking forward to this movie.

Now that Lucas is largely uninvolved, I'm hoping the dialogue is realistic and not akin to 70's porn.

TopHatter
15 Dec 15,, 17:29
I'm actually looking forward to this movie.

Now that Lucas is largely uninvolved, I'm hoping the dialogue is realistic and not akin to 70's porn.

Couldn't have said it any better myself!

Early reviews/reactions are overwhelmingly positive...of course, they were pretty much the same way with The Phantom Menace too.

Still and all, I'm cautiously optimistic.

This is after all, a real filmmaker that made this film, in collaboration with an entire team of professionals, not some washed-up hack that surrounds himself with yes-men too scared to contradict him.


https://youtu.be/fIWKMgJs_Gs

Parihaka
15 Dec 15,, 21:02
Tickets bought for Sunday night, Saturday American time. J J Abrahms is the only reason I'm going. After the Star Trek reboot I'm willing to accept he can do anything.

GVChamp
15 Dec 15,, 21:29
I'm not holding my breath. Good action movie, sure, but a good action movie that will be forgettable in 6 months.

tuna
15 Dec 15,, 21:35
As big a fan of Star Wars as I am, I'm not going until Monday. I figure I can wait a couple days longer, and have the whole theater to myself instead of going to work that day.

I figure it will be a good movie. I don't over analyze these things - it is supposed to be fiction and entertainment. I didn't even mind the prequels - really, what was so bad about them? That Yoda seemed like a cartoon instead of a puppet? Jar Jar was a dolt, so what?

GVChamp
15 Dec 15,, 23:00
Take a look at the Plinkett reviews for a full summary of why the prequels sucked.

Essentially there is no compelling plot and no compelling characters. It's just a bunch of action and forced humor. But the action is over-produced and becomes boring rather quickly.

Lucas used a poorly written story to tell special effects. You're supposed to use special effects to tell a story.

TopHatter
15 Dec 15,, 23:04
I'm not holding my breath. Good action movie, sure, but a good action movie that will be forgettable in 6 months.

I'll be happy with an action movie that's forgettable in 6 months quite frankly


As big a fan of Star Wars as I am, I'm not going until Monday. I figure I can wait a couple days longer, and have the whole theater to myself instead of going to work that day.

I figure it will be a good movie. I don't over analyze these things - it is supposed to be fiction and entertainment. I didn't even mind the prequels - really, what was so bad about them? That Yoda seemed like a cartoon instead of a puppet? Jar Jar was a dolt, so what?

I agree to a point, these are after all "just" movies and entertainment. On the other hand, the Star Wars films were such game changers when they came out. They inspired an entire generation to go into things like acting, music, filmmaking etc. I hate to sound pretentious and all, but for me personally, the Star Wars films mean a great deal because I first experienced them as a young child. I gained my love of orchestral music to thanks to John Williams and my fascination with logistics thanks to the numerous "behind-the-scenes" specials that were made.

Sure you can say a lot about how Lucas & Company borrowed from a variety of sources like Kurosawa, the old Republic serials, World War II imagery and cinema like The Dambusters and Leni Riefenstahl.
But when you put all those together, you have an incredibly rich and colorful universe. It works on so many levels and is timeless in it's own right.

Then the prequels came alone. They failed on so many levels as stories and films. They were basically pointless exercises in mass-CGI.

RedLetterMedia's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RedLetterMedia) rather disgusting character "Mr. Plinkett" does in-depth reviews for all three prequels (among other movies) and really enunciates exactly what people find wrong with them. I don't agree with 100% of what he says (and his cutscenes are really stupid) but if you got some time to spare, check them out.

TopHatter
15 Dec 15,, 23:05
Take a look at the Plinkett reviews for a full summary of why the prequels sucked.

Essentially there is no compelling plot and no compelling characters. It's just a bunch of action and forced humor. But the action is over-produced and becomes boring rather quickly.

Lucas used a poorly written story to tell special effects. You're supposed to use special effects to tell a story.

lol I was in the middle of typing my response when my dad called and I wound up talking to him so long you beat me to it! :-D

Albany Rifles
15 Dec 15,, 23:26
Jar Jar Binks is the mastermind behind the Illuminati, the Trilateral Commission and provided L.Ron Hubbard the outline for Dianetics.

Do not doubt his powers.

GVChamp
16 Dec 15,, 00:09
lol I was in the middle of typing my response when my dad called and I wound up talking to him so long you beat me to it! :-D
Ha, I saw your youtube link higher up and figured I retreaded your thoughts anyways :P

I actually like Revenge of the Sith, once Griveous is dead and Order 66 rolls out. It's a great mini-movie! The characters have clear objectives they are working towards. There's a lot of tension between characters. The light-saber duels stretch on for far longer than they need to, but are at least cinematically interesting: more Sidious, and oh god Sidious is so awesome.

I think the original Star Wars are also vastly overrated. Interesting, yeah, but the story and plot are so formulaic, and Return of the Jedi disappoints in a lot of ways (not just the Ewoks).

Avatar actually outclasses Star Wars in terms of world-building, IMO. Though...again, pretty formulaic...

astralis
16 Dec 15,, 00:10
AR,


Jar Jar Binks is the mastermind behind the Illuminati, the Trilateral Commission and provided L.Ron Hubbard the outline for Dianetics.

Do not doubt his powers.

that theory is indeed out there...:-)

https://www.reddit.com/comments/3qvj6w

YellowFever
16 Dec 15,, 00:23
Cripes that Jar Jar theory is worse than those nuts that collect guns and awaits the Zombie Apocalypse.

:Looksatwhocreatedthisthread:

Wait.....

TopHatter
16 Dec 15,, 03:07
Getting back to the whole "initial reactions are at least overwhelmingly positive but you could say the same thing happened with The Phantom Menace"

This is pretty much true except for a few caveats:

It ain't 1999 anymore. We're no longer the movie-going audience of 16 years ago.

Viewers have had all three prequels disappoint them like a chronic case of E.D. and other franchise blockbusters have been rampant in the past several years (Avatar, The Avengers).

Audiences are a bit harder to fool right out of the box these days, especially a Star Wars fandom that is still smarting from the last bowl movement* that George Lucas dumped on us 10 years ago.


*Thank you Mr Plinkett

TopHatter
16 Dec 15,, 04:23
Advance ticket sales surpassed $100 million in North America so far, new record.

Gotta give Disney credit, they know how to market a movie.

GVChamp
16 Dec 15,, 20:36
As expected, most of the reviews are glowingly positive, but say there is a total lack of originality and it rehashes A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.

Worse, they say that to talk about the story at all would give away spoilers and plot twists, which makes me think JJ Abrams has pulled a M Night Sham-lama-lan and confused plot twists with story.

TopHatter
16 Dec 15,, 21:56
As expected, most of the reviews are glowingly positive, but say there is a total lack of originality and it rehashes A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.

Worse, they say that to talk about the story at all would give away spoilers and plot twists, which makes me think JJ Abrams has pulled a M Night Sham-lama-lan and confused plot twists with story.

In that case, I have to avoid the Web until Sunday. CRAP! Guess I'll have party like it's 1985. :-(

GVChamp
16 Dec 15,, 22:04
In that case, I have to avoid the Web until Sunday. CRAP! Guess I'll have party like it's 1985. :-(

Same, not a problem though. We have an 18 person dinner party on Saturday night, no one who will have seen the movie prior to that.

And guess who has to clean.... >:/

Parihaka
17 Dec 15,, 06:03
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Han Solo, Darth Vader, Princess Leia, Chewbacca, R2D2 and Luke Skywalker waiting for a bus

Big K
19 Dec 15,, 09:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwwTAjDIWfQ

Star Wars Imperial March by Ottoman Mehter by Vodafone

a must see! :D

DonBelt
19 Dec 15,, 19:50
Still my favorite Star Wars song:
https://youtu.be/QqedbxGxfgE

Bigfella
20 Dec 15,, 13:41
Saw it today. Best Star Wars film since Return...or even Empire. No spoilers, but while the plot is incredibly derivative, it is more than made up for by the absolute love for the originals shown by Abrams. There are hat tips aplenty. In fact, there are layers of them. it is a true fan film. The new characters are good (no f**king Jar Jar), the cute characters are not overdone (n f**king ewoks) and the returning characters are just wonderful. The CGI is used well too - these don't have the soulless feel of the prequels.

I talked about this today with a mate of mine who is the same age as me. He saw it yesterday. We were both the perfect age in 1977 and saw it when it was released. We both felt the magic of that first film & we both felt the magic this time. We both teared up a couple of times in this one as we were transported back to our childhoods.

My nephew is the same age now I was when I first saw Star Wars. He is a massive Star Wars fan. I managed to find an original (if slightly worn) 1979 Millenium Falcon to give him for Christmas - one of the ones made for the figurines to sit in. He'll be the only kid in school with one. Last week he saw his first rock concert - AC/DC. This week he sees his first new release Star Wars film. I am SO glad it will be this one. Hopefully he will experience some of the exhilaration we all felt back in 1977.

This film was clearly designed to get Star Wars fans old & new on the same page for the story as it unfolds. I suspect the biggest danger for whoever does the next one is living up to the sheer joy & nostalgia of this. It won't be easy.

TopHatter
21 Dec 15,, 17:18
Saw it last night...Why couldn't this be the movie we were all panting to see back in 1999?

Not going to say it was without a disappointment or two. But this movie at it's absolute worst was lightyears better than the prequels at their very best.

Looking forward to the next films in the series!

Parihaka
21 Dec 15,, 19:12
Now that I've changed my name, country of residence and sex, (call me Samantha) I feel somewhat safer in saying I was bored senseless. Same plot as episodes IV, V & VI. I mean exactly the same plot, with 21st century gay romance including black man. Oh look, they blew up a Death Star. Bored. Bored bored bored. (Witness protection plan goes into action)

gunnut
21 Dec 15,, 19:38
Spoiler: stormtroopers can actually hit some of their targets in this movie!

YellowFever
21 Dec 15,, 22:22
Agree with Samantha.

Felt like I was watching a remake instead of a continuation of a story. I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it more than I thought I would have....but that's only because the prequels were so horrendous.

Stitch
21 Dec 15,, 22:59
This film was clearly designed to get Star Wars fans old & new on the same page for the story as it unfolds. I suspect the biggest danger for whoever does the next one is living up to the sheer joy & nostalgia of this. It won't be easy.

I suspect Disney isn't going to "fix what ain't broken", so I'm guessing (barring any contract disputes) that they'll stick with a proven winner, and Abrams will direct at least the next movie in the series, if not all of them.

TopHatter
21 Dec 15,, 23:17
Spoilers!

The best parts:
The acting, plot and pacing were excellent. Yes the plot was derivative. That's ok in my book because they still worked.

The characters, I actually cared about them. When our heroes were in peril, I gave a damn. I hoped they'd be ok.

The worst parts:

The music...

What. Happened. To. The. MUSIC. *Head Explodes*

John Williams composed this? Why did he bother? This could've been any generic action movie score. Horribly disappointing, especially after the magnificent trailer scores.
As I was watching the movie, it felt somewhat hollow, like something was badly missing. About halfway through the movie, I figured it out. :-(

Most of the costumes looked cheap, ill-fitting, hodge-podge and thoroughly uninteresting. Ditto the non-legacy blaster props (i.e. everything but Han Solo's C96).

There was a lot of breezy "hand-waving" of events and characters. Things happened too conveniently.

TopHatter
21 Dec 15,, 23:18
I suspect Disney isn't going to "fix what ain't broken", so I'm guessing (barring any contract disputes) that they'll stick with a proven winner, and Abrams will direct at least the next movie in the series, if not all of them.

Negative on that one, Abrams might make a future one, but the next two films have other directors attached.

xerxes
22 Dec 15,, 00:49
My take: ** spoliers **
Apologies for focusing on the negatives

- it lacked the depth and complexity of the prequels (not sure if that is a good thing or bad thing)
- sick & tired of introduction of a new super weapon, only for it to be destroyed in the same episode
- so that super weapon has been sitting there for decades getting build and no one noticed it ?
- did not like the child playing the military top guy of the First Order -- what happened to the veterans and the more senior folks
- what is the point of a super weapon that cannot move ... it can only destroy nearby planets
- When Solo died, wasn't sure if that was a joke or maybe he was injured & to be picked up later --- didn't get that emotional connection that i was suppose to get;
- how the hell a useless stormtrooper that never fired a shot was able to do sword fighting
- why the main villain so weak
- confused: was the New Republic a different entity than Rebellion - the movie sounded as if they were two different entities
- what was the point of that military parade (ala Nuremberg rallies); if they all got blown away
- if i give you a small portion of a map of planet earth; with enough time, you can figure out where the piece would fit it with out having the overall map. I reckon that a 1/8 portion of a galactic map ought to be that easy to find as well; well, apparently not, the relentless Rebels throw in the towel right away and say that there is nothing that they can do with it

Parihaka
22 Dec 15,, 03:23
Plus sides: I've been to the original Jedi temple, and while I didn't see Skywalker doing his Tom Jones impersonation it's nice to know I was a Jedi and didn't know it.
I got hands on with one of these
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And it had good weight and balance.

GVChamp
22 Dec 15,, 04:49
Now that I've changed my name, country of residence and sex, (call me Samantha) I feel somewhat safer in saying I was bored senseless. Same plot as episodes IV, V & VI. I mean exactly the same plot, with 21st century gay romance including black man. Oh look, they blew up a Death Star. Bored. Bored bored bored. (Witness protection plan goes into action)

I agree with Samantha. I actually started out excited about how wrong I would be about this movie.

Nope.

I hated Strong Independent "I don't need a man" Jedi girl. Hate hate HATEEEEEEEEEEE. She is an insufferable goody-two-shoes with a crappy "oh my family abandoned me" story-line tied out so they can have a seen of her running away. Get it? She's running away from her DESTINY.
It's, like, a metaphor. Like when Luke turned down becoming a Jedi. Except then it was something called "subtle." And "reasonable."

I hated Darth Emo-ius. Way to take your primary antagonist and turn him into a whiny bitch half-way through the movie. Even Anakin Skywalker had the knowledge to drop the teenage emo and just go full on Death once he turns Dark Side.

I moderately liked Affirmative Action Defector. That's a character I haven't actually seen done to death. I liked his attempts to appear, uh, dashing....which absolutely fall to pieces, but he pulls it together anyway.

The best character was obviously Han Solo. I mean they totally pissed away THREE WHOLE MOVIES of character development by having him revert to being a smuggler, but he was still the best character.


Nothing like the complexity or richness of the first films, IMHO.

This doesn't even compare favorably to the other major Abrams work, Star Trek. This doesn't compare favorably to Avengers, it doesn't compare favorably to the X-Men series, it doesn't compare favorably to the new Superman, IMHO.

I am going to be honest, the characters don't even compare favorably to Chappie....except for Han Solo.

I would be really happy just to see Han Solo and Luke Skywalker cruise the galaxy bars and pick up girls. That'd be fine. Star Wars Episode 69.

http://uncouthreflections.com/2015/12/18/some-quick-thoughts-on-the-new-star-wars/

The Force Awakens doesn’t have ideas, it doesn’t have a vision: it has marketing ploys. It’s a 2 hour long commercial for the new Disney Star Wars brand, which turns out to be just elements of the original trilogy that have been gussied up a little bit — Emo Vader, a fascistier Empire, a super-sized Death Star weapon — without any of those movies’ charm, narrative ingenuity, or inventiveness.
This is a better movie than the prequels, but the prequels still strived to be something greater. This has no soul and no vision and almost no foundation for anything more.

Bigfella
22 Dec 15,, 09:12
GVChamp, I'm pleased to see your subscription to 'Whiny Conservative Culture Warrior Monthly' has not gone to waste.

Seriously, I haven't read a more deeply politicized & fundamentally miserable take on a piece of popular culture since the 70s style Marxist/Feminist Sociology lecturers I copped back in First year uni (not that many years after we last saw Luke Skywalker). I don't know how to break it to you, but women are allowed to occasionally do something other than be victims/sex objects in movies, and black people are allowed to have roles other than servants or being the first murder victim. Its called the 'late 20th century'. Clearly you still need time to catch up. Best stick to 'Gone with the Wind', John Wayne and 'Driving Miss Daisy'.

The film wasn't new & original, but it was great fun for anyone prepared to just sit back & have fun. I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who spent that 2 hours just looking for shit not to like. Go back & view the originals with the same hyper-critical eyes. Granted, women & black folk mostly know their place in those films (or are simply absent), but the films are derivative, repetitive and have holes big enough to drive an Imperial Star Cruiser through.

Some people put so much effort into sucking the fun out of life.

Parihaka
22 Dec 15,, 09:44
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/star-wars-the-force-awakens-reviewed


It is not for that reason, however, that I salute your courage in going to see “The Force Awakens.” Something more urgent than metaphysics is at issue, namely this: paying to watch a new “Star Wars” movie, in the wake of its predecessors—“The Phantom Menace,” “Attack of the Clones,” and “Revenge of the Sith”—is like returning to a restaurant that gave you severe food poisoning on your last three visits.
Heh

GVChamp
22 Dec 15,, 15:59
Lol, come on BF, I don't have an issue with women in film. I have an issue with constricted female characters and rehashing old stuff.

We've already had a spunky girl in Star Wars. Her name was Princess Leia.

Spunky girls in movies are old news, IMHO.

I will agree with you on this, for the most part, with qualifiers:

The film wasn't new & original, but it was great fun for anyone prepared to just sit back & have fun. I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who spent that 2 hours just looking for shit not to like. Go back & view the originals with the same hyper-critical eyes. Granted, women & black folk mostly know their place in those films (or are simply absent), but the films are derivative, repetitive and have holes big enough to drive an Imperial Star Cruiser through.

I think you're underselling Empire Strikes Back, and I think you're underselling the characters of the original, who all are more interesting to watch than the characters we had in this movie.
Except Han Solo, but he's in both trilogies.

And the original Star Wars still had a fresh vision relative to the time and brought in some cool ideas from different genres. This movie didn't try for that at all, it's clearly just trying to establish a new trilogy and grabbing as much nostalgia as possible to get free emotional swells.

We'll see what future movies bring, but I am more interested in the Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker story than I am with anything related to either Finn or Rey.

Dan_Bickell
22 Dec 15,, 18:22
- confused: was the New Republic a different entity than Rebellion - the movie sounded as if they were two different entities


There is actually an answer to this one point, although it was not covered in the movie. Novels and comic books, the new canon post Disney ownership, have established that the New Republic immediately started demilitarization following the fall of the Empire. As remnants of the Empire started to reorganize as the First Order, Leia, who opposed the demilitarization, formed the Resistance to fight them. One of the planets that was destroyed in the movie is Hosnian Prime, which was the capital of the New Republic, and home to the Senate, effectively leaving the Resistance to stand alone.

This is all part of JJ's attempt to reset the universe back to a state paralleling the original movie, because that is the only way he can imagine making it good again.

GVChamp
22 Dec 15,, 19:15
BTW, I am far from the only person who doesn't like Rey. This article is more sympathetic to the discussion but at least acknowledges the, uh, issues:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/19/10626896/star-wars-the-force-awakens-rey-mary-sue-feminist

Because let's face it, Rey is kind of a Mary Sue character. (That's fan-speak for a thinly-veiled, self-insertion character in fan fiction, usually written by someone who wants not just to be part of an imaginary world they love, but to be its ultimate, most beloved and respected hero. The male version is a Gary Stu.) Rey is a survivor who seems to be consummately skilled at everything she tries. She's a crack pilot. She's a skilled mechanic. She's so innately talented in her use of the Force that she figures out Jedi mind tricks on her own, out of nowhere. She keeps falling into standard-issue damsel-in-distress situations, then capably rescuing herself. Even Han Solo is vocally and visibly impressed with her awesomeness. Her only weakness is a minor and understandable one: She misses the parents who seemingly abandoned her.
Twitter quote:

My favorite part about Rey was how she was good at everything and everyone liked her...#marysue

I disagree strongly with the article's central conclusion, which is "all of the boys do it, too, and you love it." Almost all of the characters the author cites are in fact flawed and the movies showcase their flaws. Captain America clearly cannot lift Thor's hammer, and even Thor couldn't lift his hammer for a while, since he, you know, tried to commit genocide despite his father's wishes.

Rey is just a Mary Sue character wrapped up in GRRRRRLLLLL POWER!

For a female action character done with a little more class and depth, see Katniss Everdeen.

I would argue Bella Swan, who is the ARCHTYPE for Mary Sue at this point, has more flaws and deeper character than Rey. Though Rey is more appealing to me, because she kicks ass.

gunnut
22 Dec 15,, 20:44
I watched it on Saturday night in 3D. Now that I have had 3 days to digest it, here are my thoughts:

1. Plot was weak. Basically a rehash of ep. 4 and ep. 6 with the "disabling tractor/shield" and then attack the super weapon.

2. What happened to Kylo Ren? He was able to stop a blaster shot in mid flight at the beginning of the movie and by the end he was beaten by an untrained girl? Sure, he was injured to start the fight, but he was shot by a bowcaster bolt? Couldn't he have stopped it? I guess we can explain that away by the fact that he just killed his father and was a bit off-kilter.

3. Was it necessary to have a white storm trooper with a baton beating the black guy lunging at him with a knife? If this storm trooper could beat Fin with a stick, why did it take Kylo so long to beat him in a light saber duel?

4. Where did that light saber come from? I thought Luke lost it when Vader chopped off his hand with the saber and it dropped into Bespin from the Cloud City.

5. Was Luke's hand still grasping onto the saber when it was found?

6. Why did Leia and Chewbacca walk past each other as if they didn't know one another after they came back from blowing up Death Star III? Han just died! Leia and Chewy should grief together and support each other. Instead Leia walked directly to Rey, whom she may or may not know by this time.

7. The ending felt hurried and anti-climatic. We blew up the regulator. Death Star III exploded. Yay! Let's go find Luke.

8. We found Luke!

Overall I would rate this movie on the level of Return of the Jedi. It was a safe bet. It didn't try to do too much. It tried to NOT screw up like episode I and III. I thought episode II was semi decent. My favorite part of the movie was actually the background story of Rey on Jakku, however brief it may be. It was like Luke on Tatooine. But instead of a boy farmer, it was a girl scavenger. Luke didn't have a luxurious life as a farmer, but he had a home and relatives around him. Rey made a meager living by herself.

I thought the Avengers and The Winter Soldier were better. I watched those 2 movies in the theater multiple times. Time will tell. Maybe this one will grow on me. I'm not saying this movie was bad. It's just not a life-changing movie like Episode IV.

Officer of Engineers
22 Dec 15,, 21:03
The term GET A LIFE comes to mind.

dan m
22 Dec 15,, 21:05
-Spoilers-

I decided to wait until yesterday afternoon to see The Force Awakens. Overall I had a great time and thought it was a good movie despite its flaws. It did a good job of capturing the spirit and magic of the original trilogy however I don't feel like it lived up to its full potential.

The good: Characters both new and old are compelling and gave performances that had a lot of heart.
- Battle scenes were well done. Seeing the X wings skimming over that lake was awesome.
- The First order and Kylo Ren were probably my favorite part of the movie. I enjoyed seeing the conflict in Ren play out and I look forward to learning about the First Order.
-Han's death damn near made me cry.
-The final light saber battle .
-Seeing the force used in new ways (like when Ren stopped the laser blast with the force)

The bad
-For the better and the worse the film mimics the arc of A New Hope. I didn't want this to happen. My hope for this new movie was that it would do new and exciting things. Instead it kind of felt like a soft reboot. I don't want the next two movies to just follow the story arc of the original trilogy.
- Having Rey and Luke meet and just staring at each other was an awkward and disappointing way to cut to credits.
-Captain Phasma was a waste of a cool looking character. She hardly did anything except get captured and lower the Star Destroyer shields.
The Ugly
- Another Death Star? This had to be my least favorite part of the movie. Sure the Star Destroyer may have looked cool but it just came off as lazy writing. It even got destroyed the same way with a trench run. Good to know that the First Order didn't learn from the Empire and made the same major strategic mistake a 3rd time. Damnit -__-

Despite its flaws, I'm still going to see this movie in theater at least 3 more times and eagerly anticipate Episode 8.

Officer of Engineers
23 Dec 15,, 14:42
JJ Abrams should forever stay away from military science fiction. The kid knows nothing about leadership.

And that star killer sure knows how to aim and I'm surprised firing that weapon doesn't rip the atmosphere off the base planet.

Albany Rifles
23 Dec 15,, 15:22
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For S-2

Parihaka
23 Dec 15,, 19:23
JJ Abrams should forever stay away from military science fiction. The kid knows nothing about leadership.

And that star killer sure knows how to aim and I'm surprised firing that weapon doesn't rip the atmosphere off the base planet.so you went huh?

Officer of Engineers
23 Dec 15,, 19:27
It was free.

gunnut
23 Dec 15,, 19:38
JJ Abrams should forever stay away from military science fiction. The kid knows nothing about leadership.

And that star killer sure knows how to aim and I'm surprised firing that weapon doesn't rip the atmosphere off the base planet.

There was a planetary shield to keep the atmosphere in with a window for the laser:

http://www.oschti.ch/Mel-Brooks-Spaceballs/45/Film/031-Spaceballs.jpg

Officer of Engineers
23 Dec 15,, 20:35
Great! Instead of channeling the energy out into space, you keep the energy into violent storms with over a 1000 C temperature all over the planet. JJ Abrams is not even a high school physics graduate, and he's no military.

GVChamp
23 Dec 15,, 22:08
Can't even make it that far. If you somehow did absorb all the mass and energy of a sun and crammed it into a single planet, you'd get something very close to a black hole.

On the other hand, the Starkiller does fire the energy faster than the speed of light anyways, so the gravity of a black hole isn't an issue....


2. What happened to Kylo Ren? He was able to stop a blaster shot in mid flight at the beginning of the movie and by the end he was beaten by an untrained girl? Sure, he was injured to start the fight, but he was shot by a bowcaster bolt? Couldn't he have stopped it? I guess we can explain that away by the fact that he just killed his father and was a bit off-kilter.

He's a whiny bitch pretending to be a tough guy. He DOES have incredible raw power, but he has noooooooo control and is entirely uncertain of himself. That's actually the point behind him slashing up the control panel at the beginning of the movie: he's an immature brat.
Darth Vader never would have had a temper tantrum like that.

So he got his butt handed to him due to his being entirely off-base.

They weakened the movie by weakening the primary antagonist, but definitely improved the character, IMHO.

tbm3fan
24 Dec 15,, 01:41
-Spoilers-


The good: Characters both new and old are compelling and gave performances that had a lot of heart.
- Battle scenes were well done. Seeing the X wings skimming over that lake was awesome.
- The First order and Kylo Ren were probably my favorite part of the movie. I enjoyed seeing the conflict in Ren play out and I look forward to learning about the First Order.
-Han's death damn near made me cry.
-The final light saber battle .
-Seeing the force used in new ways (like when Ren stopped the laser blast with the force)



Anooooother movie/show that decided to kill off their best and most loved character. So typically boring and has helped me decide that I no longer need to go and pay money to see this one.

YellowFever
24 Dec 15,, 01:59
Han Solo needed to die....not for story purposes though but for financial reasons...lol.




Harrison Ford is the film's biggest earner by some distance, netting himself an eight figure sum that is estimated to be somewhere in the $10 million to $20 million range. Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher, the other two main stars from the original trilogy, were both paid in the "low-seven-figure range."

Elsewhere, supporting actors Adam Driver and Oscar Isaac received "mid-to-high-six figures," while the movie's two young stars, John Boyega and Daisy Ridley, were both paid between $100,000 and $300,000.




These salaries do not include back-end and percentage deals based on the film's profits. Variety reports that, unusually, these do not kick in until*The Force Awakens*crosses the $1 billion mark worldwide. To date, the movie has made $610 million at the global box office.

Officer of Engineers
24 Dec 15,, 06:14
Sorry, that was by choice. Disney had no obligations to bring any of the three characters back.

Gun Grape
24 Dec 15,, 06:16
Grown men discussing a kids movie. Really?

40670

Officer of Engineers
24 Dec 15,, 06:26
Grown men discussing a kids movie. Really?A Marine who does not believe in the Ultimate Warrior. Really?

Officer of Engineers
24 Dec 15,, 07:00
What does Star Wars have to do with the ultimate warrior?

When I want to see a flick about an Ultimate Warrior I watch these.Actually, GS, I was seeing you doing this

m0XuKORufGk

Or are you telling me that Marine GS lack such powers?

As you would note, GS, that was a fulll Commander who was choking.

Gun Grape
24 Dec 15,, 07:02
Post went all crazy. Let me repost.

What does Star Wars have to do with the ultimate warrior?

When I want to see a flick about an Ultimate Warrior I watch these.

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Officer of Engineers
24 Dec 15,, 07:03
What? No Marine wants to choke an officer?

Gun Grape
24 Dec 15,, 07:06
What? No Marine wants to choke an officer?

Yea, But we want it to be "Up close and Personal". Not some vulcan mind trick

Officer of Engineers
24 Dec 15,, 07:12
The difference between a Marine and Canadian Engineers. One gets charged, the other convinces the court it was all in thefuck's imagination.

Officer of Engineers
24 Dec 15,, 07:40
The difference between a Marine and Canadian Engineers. One gets charged, the other convinces the court it was all in thefuck's imagination.Wait a second! A USMC Gunnery Sgt is admitting to a Canadian Forces LCol that US Marines have no Jedi powers?

Gun Grape
24 Dec 15,, 19:27
Wait a second! A USMC Gunnery Sgt is admitting to a Canadian Forces LCol that US Marines have no Jedi powers?

We have Jarhead Power. Stronger than any make believe movie special effect.

It was good for Dan Daily and Chesty Puller and its good enough for me

gunnut
24 Dec 15,, 20:44
Grown men discussing a kids movie. Really?

40670

Don't you watch K-pop?

YellowFever
24 Dec 15,, 20:48
K-POP is here and now.

What you're discussing happened a long time ago.....in a galaxy far, far away to boot.

Gun Grape
25 Dec 15,, 04:45
Don't you watch K-pop?

I listen to all kinds of music. Just about everything but country and gospel.

Whats that got to do with a kids movie?

Burnet
20 Feb 16,, 02:35
Saw it today. Best Star Wars film since Return...or even Empire. No spoilers, but while the plot is incredibly derivative, it is more than made up for by the absolute love for the originals shown by Abrams. There are hat tips aplenty. In fact, there are layers of them. it is a true fan film. The new characters are good (no f**king Jar Jar), the cute characters are not overdone (n f**king ewoks) and the returning characters are just wonderful. The CGI is used well too - these don't have the soulless feel of the prequels.

I talked about this today with a mate of mine who is the same age as me. He saw it yesterday. We were both the perfect age in 1977 and saw it when it was released. We both felt the magic of that first film & we both felt the magic this time. We both teared up a couple of times in this one as we were transported back to our childhoods.

My nephew is the same age now I was when I first saw Star Wars. He is a massive Star Wars fan. I managed to find an original (if slightly worn) 1979 Millenium Falcon to give him for Christmas - one of the ones made for the figurines to sit in. He'll be the only kid in school with one. Last week he saw his first rock concert - AC/DC. This week he sees his first new release Star Wars film. I am SO glad it will be this one. Hopefully he will experience some of the exhilaration we all felt back in 1977.

This film was clearly designed to get Star Wars fans old & new on the same page for the story as it unfolds. I suspect the biggest danger for whoever does the next one is living up to the sheer joy & nostalgia of this. It won't be easy.

Many of the over 40 fans left after Phantom Menace with many of us not even watching the next two. The idea was to bring back those fans with a peace offering. This movie wasn't meant to break new ground or take risks. It was supposed to recreate a favorite recipe from our childhood. I expect the next movie to blaze a different path. In a sense, this movie killed the ghost of Jar Jar Binks, but it also killed Han Solo, the most beloved character from IV-VI, as an indication it would tell a new story.

Albany Rifles
23 Feb 16,, 16:08
Wait a second! A USMC Gunnery Sgt is admitting to a Canadian Forces LCol that US Marines have no Jedi powers?

Colonel, that's because the Jedis were TRAINED by USMC Gunnery Sergeants! Even this Army grunt knows that!

Doktor
23 Feb 16,, 17:44
Colonel, that's because the Jedis were TRAINED by USMC Gunnery Sergeants! Even this Army grunt knows that!

But the GS is making a models from Army planes. I am lost.

YellowFever
23 Feb 16,, 18:20
Colonel, that's because the Jedis were TRAINED by USMC Gunnery Sergeants! Even this Army grunt knows that!

"You will bring the wookie...along with a beer to me and stand at attention with your thumb out of your ass."

"The council better understand that stinkin' little light sabre ain't got nuthin' on me and Mr. Pig here"

"Stick that lightsabre up your ass, I will, you little wanna be Geico Lizard if you don't talk straight!"

"What, not only are you a padawan but you're also a college boy? WTF is happening to my beloved corp???"

"The princess ain't interested in a tumble tonight boy...looks like you'll have to go to Hand Solo again."

Yeah..I can see it now. :)

astralis
23 Feb 16,, 19:14
lol, frankly the movie bored me to tears-- they might as well have called it Star Wars the 2016 Remake. better than the prequels but that's not a high bar.

yeah, yeah, I understand JJ Abrams meant this to be a homage to the original trilogy but really, he could have done a bit better than almost literally replaying EVERY SCENE (desert planet/death star hallway/cantina/death via falling/x-wings going down a canyon) with the almost exact same plot and no character development. going for the easy applause scenes.

also suffers from "villain sucks" department, with kylo ren and an eminently forgettable Emperor replacement.

and because of that, the heroes suffered as well: han solo deserved a better end than what looks like a poorly thought out domestic altercation.

gunnut
23 Feb 16,, 20:54
Bah....you make a lousy fanboi.

DarthSiddius
23 Feb 16,, 22:38
lol, frankly the movie bored me to tears-- they might as well have called it Star Wars the 2016 Remake. better than the prequels but that's not a high bar.

yeah, yeah, I understand JJ Abrams meant this to be a homage to the original trilogy but really, he could have done a bit better than almost literally replaying EVERY SCENE (desert planet/death star hallway/cantina/death via falling/x-wings going down a canyon) with the almost exact same plot and no character development. going for the easy applause scenes.

also suffers from "villain sucks" department, with kylo ren and an eminently forgettable Emperor replacement.

and because of that, the heroes suffered as well: han solo deserved a better end than what looks like a poorly thought out domestic altercation.

Like! My exact thoughts when I left the movie theater.

TopHatter
23 Feb 16,, 22:47
Many of the over 40 fans left after Phantom Menace with many of us not even watching the next two. The idea was to bring back those fans with a peace offering. This movie wasn't meant to break new ground or take risks. It was supposed to recreate a favorite recipe from our childhood. I expect the next movie to blaze a different path. In a sense, this movie killed the ghost of Jar Jar Binks, but it also killed Han Solo, the most beloved character from IV-VI, as an indication it would tell a new story.

That's exactly it, perfectly stated. Disney has a massive empire (no pun intended) that it's planning to put out here.
(A decent chunk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_sequel_trilogy) of that empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars#Anthology_series) is currently in production.)
They had to restore the franchise to commercial viability and fan acceptance after the prequels. They succeeded spectacularly IMO.

Having said that, I'm going to expect a lot more from Episode VIII and IX and Rogue One.

surfgun
24 Feb 16,, 01:55
Han had to die, so he can move back to a cooler franchise, the reboot of Blade Runner! He (Rick Deckard), will be busy blasting replicant ass!

TopHatter
24 Feb 16,, 02:09
Han had to die, so he can move back to a cooler franchise, the reboot of Blade Runner! He (Rick Deckard), will be busy blasting replicant ass!

Han may(!) be dead but that doesn't mean that Harrison Ford isn't going to be in Episode VII

Oh, spoiler alert, he will be ;-)

Officer of Engineers
24 Feb 16,, 08:23
Oh, spoiler alert, he will be ;-)Who cares? The story is so out of whack, it ain't funny. The new Repulic ain't got enough spies to figure out Star Killer?

Parihaka
24 Feb 16,, 10:30
Who cares? The story is so out of whack, it ain't funny. The new Repulic ain't got enough spies to figure out Star Killer?

The new republic are liberals

Monash
24 Feb 16,, 12:07
Obviously then they deserve to be 'Trumped', this time the Empire will win.

astralis
24 Feb 16,, 14:38
The new republic are liberals

anti-war hippies to be sure, apparently only x-wings remain in the Republic space fleet.

and apparently no mandatory retirement age in the "rebel alliance", with admiral ackbar still tottering around.

Albany Rifles
25 Feb 16,, 16:41
apparently only x-wings remain in the Republic space fleet.

Hey, not always a bad thing. It greatly reduces your sustainment tail and allows you to put more folks into the fight!!! Plus those Y-Wings were maintenance hogs!!!

gunnut
25 Feb 16,, 20:02
A-wings have short range and B-wings can't perform the Cobra.

tuna
26 Feb 16,, 21:56
There was call to retire the X-Wings - but due to their performance in the CAS role and support from a certain Senator (whose husband used to fly one) they were saved from BRAC.

tuna
04 Jun 16,, 02:21
Yes, it is on DVD now.

DonBelt
05 Jun 16,, 00:30
Whoa whoa whoa- these x-wings do not belong to the Republic Fleet. That was destroyed when the super death ray destroyed Hosnian Prime. These belong to the "Resistance",
some sort of NGO semi-revolutionary group that was acting as the unofficial enforcers for the Republic. They were probably given the x-wings as military surplus so the Republic Fleet could sit in orbit around Hosnian Prime showing the flag and going on liberty. I'll bet there are whole fleets of x-wings and B-wings sitting in mothballs around Hosnian Choice and Hosnian Select in the Hosnian system. Maybe they will mobilize them in Star Wars VIII (or is it Star Wars IIX?- this is why I do poorly on Super Bowl trivia) except that with Star killer base and most of the New Order destroyed and the Republic with their fleet destroyed I imagine the conflict is over and there would be no point.