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Parihaka
12 Sep 15,, 20:35
In 1983, the year Jeremy Corbyn was first elected to the House of Commons, (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/12/labour-s-two-word-suicide-note.html) the Labour party stood on a platform promising unilateral disarmament, the nationalization of industry, support for a united Ireland and asking the United Nations to referee Britain’s dispute with Argentina over the Falkland Islands. It was a platform later and memorably dubbed the “longest suicide note in political history”.

In 2020, by contrast, the party appears determined to offer the shortest suicide note in political history. It will consist of just two words: Jeremy Corbyn.


It is hard to over-state Corbyn’s radicalism. So much so, in fact, that any taxonomy of his beliefs reveals a left-winger who might have been created by his opponents. Corbyn is the kind of socialist conservatives dream about running against.

So how did it come to this? How have Labour elected a man who, as chairman of the anti-Iraq war “Stop the War” coalition, endorsed the Iraqi “resistance” and welcomed its attacks on British troops? How has the party chosen as its standard bearer a man who refers to Hamas and Hezbollah as “friends”? Why is Labour now led by a man who, in 1984, welcomed IRA bombers to the House of Commons just two weeks after the IRA attempted to assassinate Margaret Thatcher and her cabinet in Brighton?
UKIP of course has represented the rise of relatively mainstream(ish) right wing activism, but this is so far left as to be beyond comprehension. Liberals going batshit crazy: well there's a surprise.

Mihais
12 Sep 15,, 20:53
Pari,it's not surprising.It's a trend widespread in the entire Western world.Left and right are growing further apart.

citanon
12 Sep 15,, 21:24
Pari, thanks, I got a good chuckle out of the first blurb.

Doktor
12 Sep 15,, 21:46
Well, Maggie was not electable qgen she won party elections.

Bigfella
13 Sep 15,, 01:52
Doc,

Maggie was gifted a disastrous Labor government & Michael Foot, a Labor opposition leader on whom Corbyn has clearly based himself. he dragged the party so far left that it split (moderates formed the SDP, which later merged with the Liberal Party & ultimately formed the Lib/Dems) & ended up getting barely more of the vote than the SDP. The thread's title sounds like a reference to a quip someone made about the platform Foot took to the 1983 election - 'the longest suicide note in history'. The scale of the electoral defeat that followed & the damage Foot did to the image of Labor as a credible party of government had an impact well beyond that election.

If Corbyn goes to the next election as leader British Labor will most likely face a similar fate. Short of a complete internal collapse of the Tory Party you can pretty much write off Labor for at least the next election & possibly the one after. This is a lifeline for the Lib/Dems, who will offer an alternative for moderate Labor voters who can't bring themselves to vote Tory. Corbyn will have a short honeymoon - 'gee, he's so unlike all those other grey suited & rehearsed politicians' - followed by a collapse as people actually pay attention to what he believes and believed. When that happens most of his supporters will blame everyone but themselves. Not learning machines I'm afraid.

Doktor
13 Sep 15,, 10:28
Big,

i am fully aware that this leader looks like a bloody disaster for the party. Yet, despite all odds he became a leader to the second biggest party in the UK. People still call him not-electable. Guess he learned a trick or few in the past four decades. But then again, you have him praising Venezuelan economic system. In june 2015 ffs.

I am in awe.

Bigfella
14 Sep 15,, 10:07
He got lucky Doc. Labour changed its system for voting in leaders. Gave it over to members & then let people join for a mere 3 pounds. Several hundred thousand joined. I'm afraid these people do not reflect the larger electorate or even the Parliamentary party who now have to support him. Being electable within the party doesn't mean much. He is a bad idea generator. Strap in for the ride.

Parihaka
14 Sep 15,, 10:21
He got lucky Doc. Labour changed its system for voting in leaders. Gave it over to members & then let people join for a mere 3 pounds. Several hundred thousand joined. I'm afraid these people do not reflect the larger electorate or even the Parliamentary party who now have to support him. Being electable within the party doesn't mean much. He is a bad idea generator. Strap in for the ride.

Specifically it's suspected large numbers of conservatives joined just to vote for him.



Heh.

Doktor
15 Sep 15,, 22:20
So, this lad is not singing the anthem on BoB day. Smooth.

iolo
22 Sep 15,, 13:32
Bliar ands the rest of the careerists said that ordinary people had no choice but to vote for them, but the point of having two tory parties has more and more escaped everyone, and the millions of voters the careerists drove out will come back if we kick these useless scoundrels out.

iolo
22 Sep 15,, 13:34
And, by the way, why do we need a fuhrer who sings royalist songs?

tankie
22 Sep 15,, 16:10
Specifically it's suspected large numbers of conservatives joined just to vote for him.



Heh.

Thats exactly the thoughts lots had , and the labour tossers will never ever get elected with that treacherous terrorist loving wank#r

kato
22 Sep 15,, 17:26
this is so far left as to be beyond comprehension
Just because your "right-wing" means fascist doesn't mean centrist policies are "far left".

If he was on a ballot i'd have problems voting for him for not being left enough (and being too green), and his anti-EU views pretty much make him a definite no for me.

Doktor
22 Sep 15,, 17:29
Just because your "right-wing" means fascist doesn't mean centrist policies are "far left".

If he was on a ballot i'd have problems voting for him for not being left enough (and being too green), and his anti-EU views pretty much make him a definite no for me.

Hamas are his friends, he doesn't sing the anthem, but you expect him to vote for EU? I giggled.

BTW, how much more left should he be? He praises Venezuelan economy model.

iolo
23 Sep 15,, 15:43
Just because your "right-wing" means fascist doesn't mean centrist policies are "far left".

If he was on a ballot i'd have problems voting for him for not being left enough (and being too green), and his anti-EU views pretty much make him a definite no for me.

'Centrist' used to mean between the CP and the Social Democrats., and now it means nothing. Clearly the mass of voters are way to the left of the careerists.

iolo
23 Sep 15,, 15:45
Hamas are his friends, he doesn't sing the anthem, but you expect him to vote for EU? I giggled.

BTW, how much more left should he be? He praises Venezuelan economy model.

Hamas are fighting racist colonialism. Are you for it? Do you have any definition of 'left' other than 'against Murdoch?

Doktor
24 Sep 15,, 00:14
Hamas are fighting racist colonialism. Are you for it? Do you have any definition of 'left' other than 'against Murdoch?

Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization by UK.
Don't you left me, I've lived under far left government (tho not the farest left you can find around.

iolo
24 Sep 15,, 14:44
Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization by UK.
Don't you left me, I've lived under far left government (tho not the farest left you can find around.

The Un is controlled by the US, as you know. There have been so few socialist governments that you can't have lived under them unless you are over a 100. I expect you are talking blather about state capitalism. It all makes for more propaganda for the rich, doesn't it?

Mihais
24 Sep 15,, 14:53
So,the newest tool in the box.Naming socialism state capitalism.You're talking to Easterners.Try other suckers.Tell them your fairytales.We've seen all of your nonsense and we know all of your tricks.
You steal everything,including the meaning of words.You can only bring poverty,suffering and death.Your only lasting contribution is fvcking up people's soul.
Again,sing your song to those who are too bored by prosperity. Idiots are plenty,you'll find easily enough of them. West of the Berlin Wall.

iolo
24 Sep 15,, 15:05
So,the newest tool in the box.Naming socialism state capitalism.You're talking to Easterners.Try other suckers.Tell them your fairytales.We've seen all of your nonsense and we know all of your tricks.
You steal everything,including the meaning of words.You can only bring poverty,suffering and death.Your only lasting contribution is fvcking up people's soul.
Again,sing your song to those who are too bored by prosperity. Idiots are plenty,you'll find easily enough of them. West of the Berlin Wall.

Socialism is control by the working class, as you know. Where did you live under working class government, propagandist? Lie after lie after lie, tkeep the rich in power. You ARE a sickie, aren't you?

kato
24 Sep 15,, 17:59
I'm not really sure people here know what state capitalism in the context of inter-socialist criticism means. State Capitalism is what marxist-leninists, trotzkists and maoists* accuse the Soviet Union under Krushtshov and his successors of (and therefore by deferrence the entire Warsaw Pact), and what pretty much everyone else accuses China of since the death of Mao.

* anarcho-syndicalists too, of course.

Mihais
24 Sep 15,, 18:22
Let's not get into the various socialist cliques vying for power.Once in power,the behaviour and results were the same:a pile of dead bodies and a crap for the living.

Parihaka
24 Sep 15,, 20:13
So,the newest tool in the box.Naming socialism state capitalism.You're talking to Easterners.Try other suckers.Tell them your fairytales.We've seen all of your nonsense and we know all of your tricks.
You steal everything,including the meaning of words.You can only bring poverty,suffering and death.Your only lasting contribution is fvcking up people's soul.
Again,sing your song to those who are too bored by prosperity. Idiots are plenty,you'll find easily enough of them. West of the Berlin Wall.
Like^^
The joys of a welfare recipient (iolo) living in a welfare territory (Wales) all supported and coddled by capitalism, telling people who experienced the iron curtain that they don't know what socialism is. I couldn't make this stuff up.

Officer of Engineers
24 Sep 15,, 20:41
The Un is controlled by the US, as you know.On what friggin planet?

Doktor
24 Sep 15,, 23:35
The Un is controlled by the US, as you know.
Enlight me!
Not all Governments designate Hamas as a terror group. Unite Kingdom does. We talk about them here and their opositional leader.


[There have been so few socialist governments that you can't have lived under them unless you are over a 100. I expect you are talking blather about state capitalism. It all makes for more propaganda for the rich, doesn't it?
Sorry to break it down to you in your own words. Venezuela is not in your group. Would you like to turn the UK into Venezuela?

iolo
25 Sep 15,, 12:48
I'm not really sure people here know what state capitalism in the context of inter-socialist criticism means. State Capitalism is what marxist-leninists, trotzkists and maoists* accuse the Soviet Union under Krushtshov and his successors of (and therefore by deferrence the entire Warsaw Pact), and what pretty much everyone else accuses China of since the death of Mao.

* anarcho-syndicalists too, of course. Under the state capitalist system the state itself becomes a large business firm, working in the interests of its ruling class. It shifts very easily into monopoly capitalism, as all may observe.

iolo
25 Sep 15,, 12:52
Enlight me!
Not all Governments designate Hamas as a terror group. Unite Kingdom does. We talk about them here and their opositional leader.


Sorry to break it down to you in your own words. Venezuela is not in your group. Would you like to turn the UK into Venezuela?

As you know, the UK is an American puppet, like most UN members, and therefore supports the Nazi regime in 'Israel'. I don't know why you are babbling about state- capitalist Venezuela. What are you on?

iolo
25 Sep 15,, 13:13
Under the state capitalist system the state itself becomes a large business firm, working in the interests of its ruling class. It shifts very easily into monopoly capitalism, as all may observe.

I suppose, by the way, that you are confused by the fact that these regimes claim to be socialist. They are just as socialist as Western governments are Christian: it helps to keep some of the mugs happy and gives exploitive regimes something other than theft to seem to be about.

Bigfella
25 Sep 15,, 15:18
....and a new chew toy enters the arena.

I predict short & bloody. Anyone else taking bets?

Mihais
25 Sep 15,, 18:24
He's on his way out anyway,so why bother?Just shoot him in the back of the head and move on.

snapper
25 Sep 15,, 18:33
Socialism is control by the working class, as you know. Where did you live under working class government, propagandist? Lie after lie after lie, tkeep the rich in power. You ARE a sickie, aren't you?

Quite incredible that you dare lecture a somewhere from a country that enjoyed the wonderful benefits of 'socialism' on it's joys. Perhaps you care to remind me of the glory of Katyn or the Holodomor?

Mihais
25 Sep 15,, 18:41
Like^^
The joys of a welfare recipient (iolo) living in a welfare territory (Wales) all supported and coddled by capitalism, telling people who experienced the iron curtain that they don't know what socialism is. I couldn't make this stuff up.

The really tragic thing is that morons don't get any lethal disease.We get instead college fellows who are traumatised by having a mouse in their room.Thus they call the police to set a mouse trap,while they go to the shrink.
While this real case is the advanced level in imbecility,a good deal of the younger generation is bred and raised in the nanny state.They'd feel well under the whip.
The only good part is these suckers can't fight.The old bunch couldn't either,but at least they were accomplished gangsters.Either way,the change in society isn't really for the better,but that's life

Mihais
25 Sep 15,, 18:59
Quite incredible that you dare lecture a somewhere from a country that enjoyed the wonderful benefits of 'socialism' on it's joys. Perhaps you care to remind me of the glory of Katyn or the Holodomor?

Sara,that's capitalist propaganda.And it was for progress anyway.In the end,unfortunately,due to peculiar situation of the USSR,especially the lack of education among many activists,some things were exagerrated a bit.Just a bit.Otherwise,with wiser people,everything would have been fine.Just look at whatever isolated village in Spain,that applies the beautiful socialist principles-including living on a dole- that has been a resounding success for over 30 years.

Besides,look at what imperialist pigs did in Congo.We've never heard of any disaster,massacre and man made starvation in Angola,Mozambique etc... and it's just plain racism just mentioning such vile things.
''This time'' it will be great.

I guess I didn't missed anything .

iolo
26 Sep 15,, 15:17
Quite incredible that you dare lecture a somewhere from a country that enjoyed the wonderful benefits of 'socialism' on it's joys. Perhaps you care to remind me of the glory of Katyn or the Holodomor?

Listen, Mug -the last socialist regime - and they were all short because your killer friends moved in - came to asn end in the early twentieth century. I know you halfwits can't read, but ask your Mommy to tell you what I wrote.

iolo
26 Sep 15,, 15:20
Sara,that's capitalist propaganda.And it was for progress anyway.In the end,unfortunately,due to peculiar situation of the USSR,especially the lack of education among many activists,some things were exagerrated a bit.Just a bit.Otherwise,with wiser people,everything would have been fine.Just look at whatever isolated village in Spain,that applies the beautiful socialist principles-including living on a dole- that has been a resounding success for over 30 years.

Besides,look at what imperialist pigs did in Congo.We've never heard of any disaster,massacre and man made starvation in Angola,Mozambique etc... and it's just plain racism just mentioning such vile things.
''This time'' it will be great.

I guess I didn't missed anything .


Quack, quack, fatuous Goebbels quack! What is this shit about the Congo suddenly? You working for dead Belgian Royalty now? How do they pay?

Officer of Engineers
26 Sep 15,, 15:43
BF, you put dibs on this chew toy. Either play with it or let others have it.

Mihais
26 Sep 15,, 17:30
What's there too chew?Too skinny .

snapper
26 Sep 15,, 17:47
Listen, Mug -the last socialist regime - and they were all short because your killer friends moved in - came to asn end in the early twentieth century. I know you halfwits can't read, but ask your Mommy to tell you what I wrote.

Sir being rude to people who know better and not answering the points made to you is considered rude in most polite society. Many of us have had family that have fought, served or died for liberty against the tyranny of 'socialism'. Some served themselves.


Quack, quack, fatuous Goebbels quack! What is this shit about the Congo suddenly? You working for dead Belgian Royalty now? How do they pay?

Well Putin praised Goebbels to a meeting of Jewish leaders but I do not suspect Mihais is a fan. Nor is the Belgian Royal family dead... but it is obvious you are not here to discuss with others but shout in the old brazen trumpeting way your own distorted views, as did the others of your ilk before. I wish you a short and blind life on this forum and elsewhere.

tankie
26 Sep 15,, 17:50
/\ like

Mihais
26 Sep 15,, 18:58
Sir being rude to people who know better and not answering the points made to you is considered rude in most polite society. Many of us have had family that have fought, served or died for liberty against the tyranny of 'socialism'. Some served themselves.



Well Putin praised Goebbels to a meeting of Jewish leaders but I do not suspect Mihais is a fan. Nor is the Belgian Royal family dead... but it is obvious you are not here to discuss with others but shout in the old brazen trumpeting way your own distorted views, as did the others of your ilk before. I wish you a short and blind life on this forum and elsewhere.

Sara,I beg to differ.He's a comrade,not a Sir.No worse slur can exist :D

Their ilk isn't gone.But there is no point talking to them.You can talk to ignorants,but not to idiots.I find it better to ignore dumbasses.We have one life on this world,though the next one is eternal.Still,why perturb it with stupidity?

If/when they'll ever become a nuisance like in the past,talking is also moot.Much more fruitful to throw them from airplanes,like Pinochet did.

Parihaka
26 Sep 15,, 20:51
Well the clocks a ticking, who wants him? Anyone?

Doktor
26 Sep 15,, 22:18
I am with the military giys on this subject. Too skinny.

However, I am sure BF can have one helluva time.

Bigfella
27 Sep 15,, 00:55
BF, you put dibs on this chew toy. Either play with it or let others have it.

Sorry for the confusion Sir, I merely identified him. I make no claim. Not really in a chew toy mood. Chew away by all means & invite anyone you wish to the party. I'll supply refreshments. :-)

Officer of Engineers
27 Sep 15,, 05:23
Listen, Mug -the last socialist regime - and they were all short because your killer friends moved in - came to asn end in the early twentieth century. I know you halfwits can't read, but ask your Mommy to tell you what I wrote.And here is a dumb wit who can't even do the friggin math. I know for sure that you have not lived through that period because you ain't wearing a diaper or being bottle fed at the moment, so let's not even pretend that you experienced that period first hand.

Hell, I could be Sara's grandfather and I still would not have lived through that period which puts your claim right where it belongs and what you read straight used toilet paper. Both in the same place.

There has been no country ruled by the workers. Hmmm, I'm sure Lech Walesa and Solidarity were Fortune 500 henchmen. Oh, but you were alive back then, weren't you? You know. You were personally there watching Soviet tanks rolled over Hungarian and Czech workers. Now, you must have been there for Tianamen Square. What about the Let 100 Flowers bloom campaign?

In fact, I do remember several Worker's Paradise. The Great Proliteriate Cultural Revolution comes to mind and then, there was Pol Pot's Classless Society ... and you know what? Both succeeded. Landlords and Management got re-educated and some even managed to lose their heads.

So, please illumniate us with your read history. I'm sure what I saw with my own eyes were just plain lies then.

kato
27 Sep 15,, 11:34
The German Communist Party DKP has a line in its party program: Stalin did wrong. He didn't kill off enough of the bourgeousie.

iolo
27 Sep 15,, 14:19
Sir being rude to people who know better and not answering the points made to you is considered rude in most polite society. Many of us have had family that have fought, served or died for liberty against the tyranny of 'socialism'. Some served themselves..

Ask your Mommy to read my actual post, chiuld, and fight tour inclination to write McCarthite bilge. State capitalism is like every other capitalism - it exploits working people. You made no points.


Well Putin praised Goebbels to a meeting of Jewish leaders but I do not suspect Mihais is a fan. Nor is the Belgian Royal family dead... but it is obvious you are not here to discuss with others but shout in the old brazen trumpeting way your own distorted views, as did the others of your ilk before. I wish you a short and blind life on this forum and elsewhere.

And what has that drivel got to do with anything? You are a paid Zionist proapagandist as well as a McCarthyite fool, are you?

iolo
27 Sep 15,, 14:23
And here is a dumb wit who can't even do the friggin math. I know for sure that you have not lived through that period because you ain't wearing a diaper or being bottle fed at the moment, so let's not even pretend that you experienced that period first hand.

Hell, I could be Sara's grandfather and I still would not have lived through that period which puts your claim right where it belongs and what you read straight used toilet paper. Both in the same place.

There has been no country ruled by the workers. Hmmm, I'm sure Lech Walesa and Solidarity were Fortune 500 henchmen. Oh, but you were alive back then, weren't you? You know. You were personally there watching Soviet tanks rolled over Hungarian and Czech workers. Now, you must have been there for Tianamen Square. What about the Let 100 Flowers bloom campaign?

In fact, I do remember several Worker's Paradise. The Great Proliteriate Cultural Revolution comes to mind and then, there was Pol Pot's Classless Society ... and you know what? Both succeeded. Landlords and Management got re-educated and some even managed to lose their heads.

So, please illumniate us with your read history. I'm sure what I saw with my own eyes were just plain lies then.

Paris 1871,Russia 1917 till Kronstate, Hungary, Bavaria and Berlin briefly after the First War.. As I say, your masters quickly murder all who try democracy. You remember no worker's states, grandfer - you are just gaga. What you saw was your berainwashed DTs, you bought propagandist clown!

iolo
27 Sep 15,, 14:24
The German Communist Party DKP has a line in its party program: Stalin did wrong. He didn't kill off enough of the bourgeousie.

He was too busy murdering Bolsheviks and workers, as you know.

TopHatter
27 Sep 15,, 14:39
Ask your Mommy to read my actual post, chiuld, and fight tour inclination to write McCarthite bilge. State capitalism is like every other capitalism - it exploits working people. You made no points.

And what has that drivel got to do with anything? You are a paid Zionist proapagandist as well as a McCarthyite fool, are you?

Since you obviously couldn't take Parihaka's hint, I'll say this very simply so that you'll understand:

You are a newcomer here. You can show respect to Senior Members or you can leave. Your choice.

Officer of Engineers
27 Sep 15,, 15:06
Paris 1871,Russia 1917 till Kronstate, Hungary, Bavaria and Berlin briefly after the First War.. As I say, your masters quickly murder all who try democracy.Funny. I distinctively remember standing the Wall against those bastards ... or are you referringto the Illumanati?


You remember no worker's states, grandfer - you are just gaga. What you saw was your berainwashed DTs, you bought propagandist clown!I was a gaga? Well, you weren't even a dirty thought. Explain to me how I can be berainwashed when I was there. Did Moscow project invisible beams through my tin foil hate?

cataphract
27 Sep 15,, 15:17
popcorn time.

Chunder
27 Sep 15,, 15:25
... I actually thought the Mihais proposal reasonable?

snapper
27 Sep 15,, 16:07
And what has that drivel got to do with anything? You are a paid Zionist proapagandist as well as a McCarthyite fool, are you?

Didn't MaCarthy die in the 1950s? Long before my time I'm afraid and not being American I know little about it. Not sure why you might imagine me to be a Zionist either though I have been to Jerusalem to pray in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre as is the duty of Christians.


Paris 1871,Russia 1917 till Kronstate, Hungary, Bavaria and Berlin briefly after the First War.. As I say, your masters quickly murder all who try democracy. You remember no worker's states, grandfer - you are just gaga. What you saw was your berainwashed DTs, you bought propagandist clown!

Interesting... I note that your 'workers paradises' or 'communes' came about after military defeats in wars. The French defeat in the Franco Prussian War and the 'Paris Commune' and then the later 'Central Powers' defeat in WW1 to the other examples you note. I note also that you do not list the Soviet coup following the Russian defeat in WW1 as an example of this 'democratic paradise on earth'. I assume that is because the Soviets implented some form or 'order' which fast became a tyranny. I assume therefore that you are some form of 'anarcho socialist'? I assume at least that you do not recognise the former Soviet states of Eastern Europe as true 'workers republiks' or whatever term you apply to these paradises of mob rule.

Well you are right none of here saw those 'revolutions' but I saw and took part in the most recent 'revolution' in Europe, that which in Ukraine we call the 'Revolution of Dignity', though the truth is it was never intended to be a 'revolution' as such. I am damn glad it didn't turn into mob rule and the break down of law and order or many more lives would have been lost. But 'revolutions' and how they turn out are based on what the people want, the fall some monarch or ruler who has become oppressive more often than not. In Ukraine it was mostly about the corruption and then the January 16th 'dictatorship laws'. When Yanukovych left Kyiv in the night of 21st/morning of 22nd Feb the Rada/Parliament still met and the former protestors stood guard outside the building. It was vital that Constitutional legitimacy be preserved so that the 'revolution' was legitimate. Yanukovych was impeached and the acting Speaker appointed interim President by the Rada according to the votes of the deputies and in compliance with the Constitution. No doubt according to you we should have proclaimed the dictatorship of the proletariat again but to have done so would have been suicide; over 200 Lenins had been destroyed all over Ukraine in the weeks upto then and 'communisn' here is deeply associated with the Soviets and the Holodomor. The Ukrainian people didn't want your dogmatic idealism, they want less corruption, reform and western democracy. They died in Maidan for it and are still dying for on the Donbass front. Nor has Ukraine, against all odd, lost the revisionist or 'counter revolutionary' war launched against it by it's neighbour.

I surmise that your form 'paradise of earth' required defeat in war and a the armed mob returning home to accomplish it. First I do not like to lose, second no 'revolution' brought about solely by arms can claim to be 'democratic'.

Doktor
27 Sep 15,, 18:04
Paris 1871,Russia 1917 till Kronstate, Hungary, Bavaria and Berlin briefly after the First War.. As I say, your masters quickly murder all who try democracy. You remember no worker's states, grandfer - you are just gaga. What you saw was your berainwashed DTs, you bought propagandist clown!

So, if all these were that good, how come they failed? Jews or aliens?

Gun Grape
27 Sep 15,, 18:33
So, if all these were that good, how come they failed? Jews or aliens?

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antimony
28 Sep 15,, 03:58
Ask your Mommy to read my actual post, chiuld, and fight tour inclination to write McCarthite bilge. State capitalism is like every other capitalism - it exploits working people. You made no points.


And what has that drivel got to do with anything? You are a paid Zionist proapagandist as well as a McCarthyite fool, are you?

Learn to spell "child", child; and your radically novel spelling of "your" is quite unamusing. It is also preferable to not start a sentence with a conjunction.

Take it from someone who has spent 30 years under communists, it helps to write properly and lucidly when you want to attract the attention of the capitalist dogs. An improperly written post will make them treat you like the plebian you undoubedly are.

On the other hand, if all you want to do is show that you are an asshat, do whatever else you can to entertain us.

TopHatter
28 Sep 15,, 04:15
Learn to spell "child", child; and your radically novel spelling of "your" is quite unamusing. It is also preferable to not start a sentence with a conjunction.

I'm guessing it's his Welsh background.

antimony
28 Sep 15,, 04:31
I'm guessing it's his Welsh background.

Well, he could have entertained us with stories of welsh lamb and Catherine Zeta Jones in the Pub, but nooooo, he had to wax philiosophical about concepts he does not understand in a language that he should be fluent in but surprsingly, is not.

Parihaka
28 Sep 15,, 05:10
So, if all these were that good, how come they failed? Jews or aliens?

I've met him before, definitely Jews.

Chunder
28 Sep 15,, 10:05
I've merely come back to the thread to enquire about the sale of tickets for the (presumed) forthcoming execution?

Mihais
28 Sep 15,, 13:12
His or yours?It depends on the outcome of the revolution.

iolo
28 Sep 15,, 13:34
Learn to spell "child", child; and your radically novel spelling of "your" is quite unamusing. It is also preferable to not start a sentence with a conjunction.

Take it from someone who has spent 30 years under communists, it helps to write properly and lucidly when you want to attract the attention of the capitalist dogs. An improperly written post will make them treat you like the plebian you undoubedly are.

On the other hand, if all you want to do is show that you are an asshat, do whatever else you can to entertain us.

You spent whatever time it took you to grow up under STATE CAPITALISM, you silly child. As you know, the working class was not in charge, so stop drivelling. And, yes, I suffer from mild dyslexia: my Ph..D was held up while I gor the mss. corrected.

iolo
28 Sep 15,, 13:36
The racialism of this particular thread is more than I fancy, so I leave the fascists to it.

antimony
28 Sep 15,, 17:55
You spent whatever time it took you to grow up under STATE CAPITALISM, you silly child. As you know, the working class was not in charge, so stop drivelling. And, yes, I suffer from mild dyslexia: my Ph..D was held up while I gor the mss. corrected.

No my son/ daughter/ scary hybrid, it was not state capitalism. It was a Communist Party government elected under a democratic setup. They introduced militant trade unions into everything they could see, from all government departments to private sector industries.

Result : industries closed shop and left. Productivity across the board took a nosedive. Employees, esp. Government employees, now protected by unions, refused to even come to office. They woke up after 30 long years and started begging industries to come back. They even started grabbing land from small farmers to give to the industries. They were finally booted out, but the damage has been done.



And, yes, I suffer from mild dyslexia: my Ph..D was held up while I gor the mss. corrected.

Wow, a masterstroke to get me to back off.

troung
28 Sep 15,, 22:59
You spent whatever time it took you to grow up under STATE CAPITALISM, you silly child. As you know, the working class was not in charge, so stop drivelling.

Not in charge under Marxism either. Something about a vanguard of people who never had a real job and all...


And, yes, I suffer from mild dyslexia: my Ph..D was held up while I gor the mss. corrected.

Laziness is not a medical disability.


The racialism of this particular thread is more than I fancy, so I leave the fascists to it.

Not terribly many fascists on this board...

snapper
29 Sep 15,, 19:35
my Ph..D was held up while I gor the mss. corrected.

How can you get a Phd without doing a 'viva' where you have to defend your thesis? Your absolute refusal to respond to the points of anyone else here suggest to me that this form interchange, which is needed to obtain a Phd, is alien to you. Most likely you'd have called the Professors, who's job it would be to ask critical questions of your thesis, "fascists" and walked out in a self righteous strop, as you have here. I call BS on this.

Doktor
29 Sep 15,, 21:08
40299

Very well played, good Sir.

Doktor
29 Sep 15,, 21:09
How can you get a Phd without doing a 'viva' where you have to defend your thesis? Your absolute refusal to respond to the points of anyone else here suggest to me that this form interchange, which is needed to obtain a Phd, is alien to you. Most likely you'd have called the Professors, who's job it would be to ask critical questions of your thesis, "fascists" and walked out in a self righteous strop, as you have here. I call BS on this.

He is in a wrong place.

iolo
02 Oct 15,, 13:34
How can you get a Phd without doing a 'viva' where you have to defend your thesis? Your absolute refusal to respond to the points of anyone else here suggest to me that this form interchange, which is needed to obtain a Phd, is alien to you. Most likely you'd have called the Professors, who's job it would be to ask critical questions of your thesis, "fascists" and walked out in a self righteous strop, as you have here. I call BS on this.

They said at the beginning that it was clearly PH.D. level but would need correcting, and we could have a pleasant chat, which we did. Your fantasies are all your own.

Albany Rifles
05 Oct 15,, 14:52
I'm guessing it's his Welsh background.

Tee Hee

Doktor
05 Oct 15,, 17:17
Tee Hee

He was a walking dead that even zombies avoided anyway

tankie
05 Oct 15,, 20:32
Just got his reply in my email , ps iolo , its spelt bollox not bollux , bye bye child

Andrey Egorov
05 Oct 15,, 23:12
I really hate missing that much fun :(

Officer of Engineers
06 Oct 15,, 03:40
When was the last time any of you stragglers played with a chew toy? Most of you just watch me

DarthSiddius
06 Oct 15,, 04:21
^Showoff

cataphract
06 Oct 15,, 04:23
When was the last time any of you stragglers played with a chew toy? Most of you just watch me

And give up a ringside seat? Are you kidding?

antimony
06 Oct 15,, 06:17
When was the last time any of you stragglers played with a chew toy? Most of you just watch me

Hey not fair, I stepped on him but he pulled out the "Have pity, I am sick" card. As you all know, I am a softie at heart...

Officer of Engineers
06 Oct 15,, 06:19
Hey not fair, I stepped on him but he pulled out the "Have pity, I am sick" card. As you all know, I am a softie at heart...I didn't buy that BS. Why did you?

Doktor
06 Oct 15,, 06:26
I didn't buy that BS. Why did you?

He is soft. Don't push him.

Officer of Engineers
06 Oct 15,, 06:56
It's a chew toy. Not a momma's tit. He's not supposed to be soft.

Bigfella
06 Oct 15,, 09:14
When was the last time any of you stragglers played with a chew toy? Most of you just watch me

You are the master. That said, I seem to recall shredding a couple of versions of the triple headed Fascist India sock puppet that Blademaster & ambidex were so matey with.

Doktor
06 Oct 15,, 10:07
You are just soft with the lefties, too. (Crazy emoticon here)

tankie
06 Oct 15,, 16:44
Well I was ,softly softly catchee monkey ,,lulling him into a false sense of security , and when I was gerrin ready to spring the ambush yaz binned him ,,its just not cricket squire ,no sir , just not cricket gadzooks .

YellowFever
06 Oct 15,, 21:15
We need a new tankie translator.

tankie
06 Oct 15,, 21:20
We need a new tankie translator.

Its quite simple old chap , for everyone else to understand ,,however in your case , well hmmmmmm . \/ haha

YellowFever
06 Oct 15,, 21:27
Its quite simple old chap , for everyone else to understand ,,however in your case , well hmmmmmm . \/ haha

I'm sorry tankie.

I'M still reeling because the colonel admitted he's an exhibitionist.


Most of you just watch me

tankie
06 Oct 15,, 21:33
I'm sorry tankie.

I'M still reeling because the colonel admitted he's an exhibitionist.

40354

Bigfella
07 Oct 15,, 00:27
You are just soft with the lefties, too. (Crazy emoticon here)

No fair Doc. I chew on dickhead lefties too, just not this one. These days I'm not really interested in chewing on anyone. I prefer to use this as a 'happy place' and chew trolls elsewhere.

Doktor
07 Oct 15,, 07:09
No fair Doc. I chew on dickhead lefties too, just not this one. These days I'm not really interested in chewing on anyone. I prefer to use this as a 'happy place' and chew trolls elsewhere.

Well, fascist are lefties, so I appologize.

Bigfella
07 Oct 15,, 07:58
Well, fascist are lefties, so I appologize.

Don't you start Doc, I have enough trouble with brain dead US right wingers who say this stuff. :-)