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Sitting Bull
31 Jan 15,, 18:39
This long delayed North American pipeline, which would carry Alberta tar sands oil to refineries in the Gulf of Mexico faces just one more hurdle, president Barrack Obama. Proponents like Canada and big oil interests on Capitol Hill say it will create jobs and improve supply. Critics such as Obama and environmental activists say job gains will be minimal and carbon emissions higher. Obama has recently said he will veto approval of Keystone in present form.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/30/us/politics/keystone-xl-pipeline-bill-senate-vote.html?_r=0

tantalus
31 Jan 15,, 18:55
Despite the debate over the pipeline, and its potency as a symbol of energy and environmental policy, experts have pointed out repeatedly that the symbolism vastly outweighs its substance.
Pulled this from the NY times article. Do people agree that the pipeline is not that important on economic grounds?

Is this really just a poster issue for climate change?

Sitting Bull
31 Jan 15,, 18:59
Canada's PM Stephen Harper sees Keystone as his legacy as some question whether he will seek another term. Obama's long-standing opposition to Keystone has cast a pall on Harper's relationship with the administration in Washington. Obama has visited Canada all of two times since taking office, one a whirlwind 5 hour stop in his first year, the other as part of larger G20 meetings. We've seen not one state visit, shocking given the proximity and the amount of trade between the two countries.

Politically there is not much to gain for Obama by giving in; most of these jobs are going to be created in red states who don't support him anyway and his party would risk losing core support from activist groups.

bonehead
23 Feb 15,, 03:54
I'd be thrilled if the U.S. and Canada would come up with a long term plan for the oil. Refineries need to be build in Wyoming/Dakotas to handle the bulk and the refined products can be moved from there. New refineries in the states would alleviate the risk we have with the bulk of them being concentrated on the gulf coast. If we keep the oil for domestic usage we have a reliable supply for decades…good for the economy and national interests of both nations.