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Tamara
20 Jul 14,, 23:18
I did a calculation yesterday of how many rooms I will need in my new home for my library, that's books and A/V stuff.

Six at least. SIX? Reality check, please, SIX?

But then I got to wondering, what's wrong with so many "books"?

Well, look at what TV and movies show us. Butch in Pulp Fiction only had one small book shelf in his apartment. In soaps, the books sit alone on tables, not on shelves. Oliver in Cat People had a wall that was his library, but it was only one wall. It seems like we are shown that it is the "rich" such as in "Being There" and "Avalon" (2001) who are the people who should have the priv of books. When the "poor" have a lot of books, there seems to be the lesson of divine retribution as in "The Mechanic" (Bronson).

So is it the lesson that is out there these days?

Double Edge
20 Jul 14,, 23:29
Who's 'we' ?

Doktor
21 Jul 14,, 00:41
I guess the human race.

YellowFever
21 Jul 14,, 07:11
i can carry six bookshelf worth of books in my ipad, with the added bonus of about 30 games and 20 movies...some of them porn.

Doktor
21 Jul 14,, 07:45
Because Porn MBs are somehow heavier? :slap:

SteveDaPirate
21 Jul 14,, 07:47
I have over 200 books on my smartphone and read for a bit every night. Even large books require surprisingly little memory. I find it far more convenient than trying to deal with physical books.

YellowFever
21 Jul 14,, 07:57
Because Porn MBs are somehow heavier? :slap:

Yes, porn MBs are generally heavier than book files. :slap:

Doktor
21 Jul 14,, 07:59
Yes, porn MBs are generally heavier than book files. :slap:

This is like arguing if 1 pound of cotton is heavier then one pound of lead. Oh it's you Yeller...

YellowFever
21 Jul 14,, 09:00
1movie file>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hundreds of book files in terms of size.

What's so hard to understand?

Doktor
21 Jul 14,, 09:07
Megabyte - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabyte)

You said...

20 movies...some of them porn

Meaning some are not porn.

YellowFever
21 Jul 14,, 09:27
Megabyte - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabyte)

You said...


Meaning some are not porn.


DoK, I know you're trying to be entertaining and all but....


and 20 movies...some of them porn.

What does that sentence have anything to do with me saying porn is heavier than regular movies???

You brought up the megabytes....I didn't. :confused:

YellowFever
21 Jul 14,, 09:28
Dude, let it go.

it was a throw away line.

You misunderstood.

Doktor
21 Jul 14,, 09:52
DoK, I know you're trying to be entertaining and all but....
Am not.



What does that sentence have anything to do with me saying porn is heavier than regular movies???
You made the statement that some are porn, I just wondered why is that important since 1 min of movie in same quality would be same amount of MBs.


You brought up the megabytes....I didn't. :confused:
They say you can also go blind from all those vids you got ;)

junoth1001
21 Jul 14,, 09:53
I have catalogued near to 3000 books with more to go and the still got some old fashioned 'gentlemen's art' magazine from my time in. But looking at them now, they should be classified as social and fashion history. but yes, I have experienced people who could not understand others having more than a couple of books.

Double Edge
21 Jul 14,, 13:16
I guess the human race.
Was thinking more in terms of generations. No matter what tech advancement come out.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7MVKtQPrJUY/UQMYx43hzKI/AAAAAAAAHhI/BZupvtURgNY/s1600/book+-+books+vs+e-readers.jpg

More (http://www.edudemic.com/physical-books-vs-e-readers/)

I still prefer to get my news out of a newspaper, there is a beginning a middle and an end, everything is laid out by some one else who is more clued up as to what is important to read or know for the day. I can't do that with feeds. A newspaper still has that discovery element to it which is lost with online feeds and makes you follow only what you like.

Tamara
21 Jul 14,, 15:16
Well, a few things about physical over electronic.

First, one you have it in ink, it's hard for someone to edit, abridge, censor, change, or wipe it out completely. Secondly, once you have it in hand, if the electronic supplier loses the license to have it, you still have it.

Third, when I do research, I have the books spread out, open, so I can go from item to item, processing information. Trying to do that on a little screen, I would find that quite frustrating.

Fourth, when you are out of power (or running low and first, second, third, etc didn't provide the answer).........what are you going to do?

YellowFever
21 Jul 14,, 16:29
You made the statement that some are porn, I just wondered why is that important since 1 min of movie in same quality would be same amount of MBs.


Like I said, it was a throw away line but somehow you made a mountain out of a mole hill.

The others are probably wondering how you've arrived at the conclusion that I'm comparing file sizes from my sentence.......or laughing their asses off at the sheer irrelevancy of this conversation.

Gun Grape
22 Jul 14,, 01:49
Yes, porn MBs are generally heavier than book files. :slap:

Only the ones with fat chicks in them:Dancing-Banana:

Gun Grape
22 Jul 14,, 01:53
Like I said, it was a throw away line but somehow you made a mountain out of a mole hill.

The others are probably wondering how you've arrived at the conclusion that I'm comparing file sizes from my sentence.......or laughing their asses off at the sheer irrelevancy of this conversation.

Did we wake up grumpy today?

YellowFever
22 Jul 14,, 04:20
Did we wake up grumpy today?

Yeah.

That time of the month again.

Tamara
22 Jul 14,, 04:39
And I was led to believe that WAB was beyond such matches.

Triple C
22 Jul 14,, 09:03
Third, when I do research, I have the books spread out, open, so I can go from item to item, processing information. Trying to do that on a little screen, I would find that quite frustrating.


Exactly. If books are tools of your given trade, then e-books are inferior to physical copies. I don't want to wait for pages to load, or spend time navigating my "bookmarks" from a menu to find which page I am looking for. With a real book, I don't need do any of that. I had a gen 1 kindle and got tired of it because the volumes I need for a single research project had created significant lag.

And much of what a researcher of history needs don't have mass market appeal so the digitization was done haphazardly. I had ran into books with no pagination, which makes citation and locating information very frustrating.

junoth1001
22 Jul 14,, 10:19
Only the ones with fat chicks in them:Dancing-Banana:

Are we talking from experience of watching such files?:biggrin:

junoth1001
22 Jul 14,, 10:26
Exactly. If books are tools of your given trade, then e-books are inferior to physical copies. I don't want to wait for pages to load, or spend time navigating my "bookmarks" from a menu to find which page I am looking for. With a real book, I don't need do any of that. I had a gen 1 kindle and got tired of it because the volumes I need for a single research project had created significant lag.

And much of what a researcher of history needs don't have mass market appeal so the digitization was done haphazardly. I had ran into books with no pagination, which makes citation and locating information very frustrating.

I agree, I have several sets of Pilot's Notes and books in PDF, it can be frustrating. One thing else about books, I recently bought a copy British Army 'Staff Duties in the Field' and you can still smell the cigarette smoke on the cover, plus with other book, if bought second hand; they contain things that the previous owner used as bookmarks. Try doing that with PDFs.

Tamara
22 Jul 14,, 17:01
Exactly. If books are tools of your given trade, then e-books are inferior to physical copies. I don't want to wait for pages to load, or spend time navigating my "bookmarks" from a menu to find which page I am looking for. With a real book, I don't need do any of that. I had a gen 1 kindle and got tired of it because the volumes I need for a single research project had created significant lag.

And much of what a researcher of history needs don't have mass market appeal so the digitization was done haphazardly. I had ran into books with no pagination, which makes citation and locating information very frustrating.

My best example, so far, has been the raid on Entebbe.

A number of years back, the project that was key to completing my degree involved SWAT rescues of hostages (summary; my research is still not published yet, if it ever gets published) and at one point, I was trying to find data on the Net regarding the Israeli raid on Entebbe.

Nothing beyond a foot note, a wiki entry, here and there. Even the Israeli site didn't have much to say. It was getting to the point where I was considering, after wards, writing up my own dossiers on significant Cold War incidents just to have that information available in case I needed it. On a side note, years earlier for the final in an Arab-Israeli politics class, I estimated that the major question was likely to be either trace the history of the wars or the development of the PLO. At the time, the Net was a bit more informative then so I was able to find the info on the PLO (I don't think I had a book on it) and memorize it.....and then, for the war history estimation, I had a copy of "The Encyclopedia of Modern Warfare" (http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Modern-Warfare-Crimean-Present/dp/0670826987/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1406039844&sr=1-4&keywords=the+encyclopedia+of+modern+warfare) (earlier edition). I went through that, memorized all the sections up through the 80's. As it was, the war history was the question and I aced the test.

Back to Entebbe. On the Net, I eventually found a site with detailed information, so that solved the issue with the project. Afterwards, though, I bought up 3 or so actual books on the subject.

A lot of the books I have around I have just for their reference capability. They aren't meant to be read cover to cover. In some cases, reference value means to give me a process about an area I don't know much about, such as metalurgy, such as if the question comes up, "Yesterday, an 18 wheeler full of cyanide was stolen. What could someone do with that?". Or it may be sitting on the shelf in case I need to have a knowledgeable background on a subject fast. I have a textbook of blood banks and transfusions which I picked up when it was thought I had to talk to a pathologist the following week (the trip got canceled, so the book was never read). Or reference might mean, "This was found on the bottom of the ocean; what might it have come from?". Long story short, when you are known as an intellectual, people may ask you first........so they don't have to ask a documented expert/specialist in the field and pay them.

About waiting for pages to load. Back in the telephone modem days, I learned to store various government documents, such as the State Dept. Trafficking Report, on CD so I wouldn't have to spend most of an hour getting it each time. Still have those drawers of various gov't documents even though the download speed has increased.

So I go to book sales, I pick up books that look interesting, that might be a good idea to have in the library. Because in my world, I have been taught in the following manner: "Here's the textbook; be up on the subject in a week.".

Gun Grape
23 Jul 14,, 00:23
Are we talking from experience of watching such files?:biggrin:

You make it sound like thats a bad thing.

Gun Grape
23 Jul 14,, 00:40
Exactly. If books are tools of your given trade, then e-books are inferior to physical copies. I don't want to wait for pages to load, or spend time navigating my "bookmarks" from a menu to find which page I am looking for. With a real book, I don't need do any of that. I had a gen 1 kindle and got tired of it because the volumes I need for a single research project had created significant lag.

And much of what a researcher of history needs don't have mass market appeal so the digitization was done haphazardly. I had ran into books with no pagination, which makes citation and locating information very frustrating.
I will disagree. As a contractor I am required to have 7 different books on a job site.(National Building codes, Fla Building code, NEC, ect...)

It is much more handy to have them on my Tablet then having a physical copy. Don't have problems with slow downloads and easy to find information using the search function when needed.

It saves space in my truck, and time.

The same with my books at home. I have a huge electronic ship and plane reference library. I find it much easier to look at details of a picture on a 42in TV monitor than from a book. And when going on trips the tablet is way more convenient then lugging a couple of books along

While I do still buy some paperbacks the majority of my purchases are E-books

Gun Grape
23 Jul 14,, 05:41
Well, a few things about physical over electronic.

First, one you have it in ink, it's hard for someone to edit, abridge, censor, change, or wipe it out completely.

The E-books on my hard drive cannot be edited, abridged, censored........ either.
I think you are confusing E-books with web searches or web pages such as wiki



Secondly, once you have it in hand, if the electronic supplier loses the license to have it, you still have it.

Same with E-books. You buy the copy that you download.


Third, when I do research, I have the books spread out, open, so I can go from item to item, processing information. Trying to do that on a little screen, I would find that quite frustrating.

depending on the platform I can have lots of windows minimized. On my laptop right now,I have Adobe open 5 times. (deciding which Fletcher to build) Each with a different book open. The info I'm looking is just a click away..

No dropping the book and losing the page, Or having to set something on the open book so the fan/AC/breeze doesn't flip pages. Or spilling my ever present cup of lifer juice on it and ruining the book.


Fourth, when you are out of power (or running low and first, second, third, etc didn't provide the answer).........what are you going to do?

Book reading programs use very little power. I have kept my tablet on for over 10 hours book reading and still had over 50% left on the battery.

Triple C
23 Jul 14,, 07:02
Gun Grape,

Amazon has the ability to pull books out from the devices of their users via Kindle's software. This was demonstrated last year when they mistakenly published materials for which they had no copy rights, and instead of reimbursing the right holders, they pulled the electronic copies out from the devices and automatically refunded their customers. There was a lot of public outcry, and of course, they promised never to do this again.

There are a few bulk reference books that I saved on my laptop to conserve space, too, and I am very grateful that I can. I begin to run into problems where I have several multi-hundred pages of history books crammed into one Kindle Gen. 1, with virtual research notes.

junoth1001
23 Jul 14,, 10:50
You make it sound like thats a bad thing.

Not at all, I prefer the old style paper version, that is, I can still open the pages. Saves on battery life!

Tamara
23 Jul 14,, 17:48
....... Book reading programs use very little power. I have kept my tablet on for over 10 hours book reading and still had over 50% left on the battery.

It's day three of a power outage due to a major storm. Your well has sprung a leak. Your generator is supplying power to your refrigerator/freezer. Do you really want to use what available power you do have to power up your "library" or would you rather pull out the repair book and get fixing?

As it is, I lived at Clark AFB in the 70's, in MACV housing (at the far end of the base where the perimeter fence/gate is that led down to water purification plant (I think)) and I know what it is to be a week without power until the Air Force got emergency generators up there. I have a girlfriend, another ranch woman, come home, find her well spraying water, so those disasters happen, too!

Others might be all comfortable that their electronics will work all the time, but not me. I buy every "Popular Mechanics" home repair book I can (and clean out going out of business hardware stores of as much supplies as I can afford which includes pipe repair gear). That's what people have taught me, so far, about homesteading. When it breaks, you have to figure out a way to fix it on your own.

Life has rather taught me that it is not about one button to push.

Gun Grape
24 Jul 14,, 01:10
It's day three of a power outage due to a major storm. Your well has sprung a leak. Your generator is supplying power to your refrigerator/freezer. Do you really want to use what available power you do have to power up your "library" or would you rather pull out the repair book and get fixing?

If your waiting till something is broke to learn how to fix it, your in trouble. Get the book out now and practice all those "Home Repairs" while nothing is really broke.

Get a 3 ft section of PVC pipe, some fittings (glue on/compression/quick connect), cutter, primer and glue and play.Same with copper pipe. Section of pipe, cutter fittings and torch and have fun with it.

Locate the gas and water line cut offs. The cut them off to the house. Just so you know where they are and what tools you will need when the time comes to do it for real.

Cut the power at the main breaker in the panel box. Then change out a breaker.
Kill the power to a room and change out a light switch/ receptacle.
(have someone present that is knowledgeable the first few times you do this. Don't die practicing)

Clean the spark plug/Change the spark plug (set the gap) on your generator. Then see if it runs. Same with fuel lines.And the rope pull cord. Those things dry rot quick.

Run your generator under the load you expect it to have when SHTF. See if it can actually handle that load , and how long a tank of gas under load will last.

Also a good time to see if the drop cord that you are using from the gen to the freezer can handle the load. Is it long enough? Is it sized right? How much voltage drop are you getting? (quick way to burn up the freezer)


The time to learn how to make a fire is not when you are on the side of a lake, soaking wet in 20deg temp with no shelter.

The time to learn how to fix a broke pipe is not when you see water is shooting 10ft in the air as you look out the bathroom window wondering why there is no water coming out of the shower head and you can't rinse the shampoo out of your hair.

(end of rant)


Would I use my charger to recharge/use my tablet. Yes The amps(1 to 2) that it draws will not be noticed by the generator. A 5 watt charger draws nothing on a 500-750 Watt gen.

I live in a hurricane zone. I know what its like being without power for a week. I also know that things break normally on cold rainy nights (when the batteries in your flashlight are dead :biggrin:)