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astralis
24 Jun 14,, 15:24
no shades of racism here at all...

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Conservatives Plan to Use Poll Watchers in Mississippi

By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG and THEODORE SCHLEIFER

JUNE 22, 2014

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/us/conservatives-plan-to-use-poll-watchers-in-mississippi.html

WASHINGTON — As Senator Thad Cochran, the veteran Republican, fights for his political life in Mississippi by taking the unexpected step of courting black Democrats, conservative organizations working to defeat him are planning to deploy poll watchers to monitor his campaign’s turnout operation in Tuesday’s runoff election.

Kenneth T. Cuccinelli II, president of the Senate Conservatives Fund, a political action committee that has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars backing Mr. Cochran’s Tea Party opponent, State Senator Chris McDaniel, said in an interview on Sunday that his group was joining with Freedom Works and the Tea Party Patriots in a “voter integrity project” in Mississippi.

The groups will deploy observers in areas where Mr. Cochran is recruiting Democrats, Mr. Cuccinelli said. J. Christian Adams, a former Justice Department official and conservative commentator who said he was advising the effort, described the watchers as “election observers,” mostly Mississippi residents, who will be trained to “observe whether the law is being followed.”

After nearly 42 years in Washington, Mr. Cochran is facing a dire political threat from Mr. McDaniel, a former radio talk show host. Under state elections law, Democrats may vote in the runoff if they did not vote in the Democratic primary on June 3.

“The laws in Mississippi are unusually open to poll watching from the outside,” said Mr. Cuccinelli, a former Virginia attorney general. “We’re going to take full advantage of that and we’re going to lay eyes on Cochran’s effort to bring Democrats in,” he added. “And of course, if they voted in primaries, that’s illegal.”

Elections experts say that under Mississippi law, outside election observers deployed by political action committees would need authorization from the candidate to challenge any votes. But they are allowed to monitor the election — an effort that Matthew Steffey, an election law expert at the Mississippi College School of Law, said evokes memories of the civil rights struggles of the state’s past.

“Some folks think this is not really about legal challenges to individual ballots, but about dissuading or in some cases intimidating voters from coming to the polls to begin with,” he said.

At a weekend rally sponsored by the Tea Party Express in Laurel, Susan Barnett, a former teacher who said she had known the challenger since he was a toddler, suggested that Mr. Cochran’s campaign had hired a community organizer to pay blacks to show up at the polls on Tuesday.

Stuart Stevens, a Cochran strategist, called the allegation “crazy talk.”

Albany Rifles
24 Jun 14,, 16:59
Gee, just in time to commemorate the golden anniversary of the murders of James Earl Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael "Mickey" Schwerner, 21-22 JUN 1964.

gunnut
24 Jun 14,, 23:01
Ever noticed that voting is the only official function that one could perform in this country without presenting ID of any kind?

zraver
24 Jun 14,, 23:49
Love it... when the Left uses the IRS to harass and intimidate conservatives and then nukes multiple computers in a cover up they claim there is not even a smidgen of corruption. When they use county DA's to launch John Doe investigations against conservatives the conservatives are obviously guilty of a criminal scheme (evne though the investigations were thrown out) but poll watchers are racist... The Left has been trying to suppress the conservative vote since 2010 and may have changed the course of the 2012 presidential elections by doing so but they claim its the right doing it.

astralis
25 Jun 14,, 14:35
z,

well, in this case conservatives just stated that they were doing this openly, complete with the racial dog-whistles. and against another republican to boot.

i'm still waiting for the multiple investigations that have been launched into the IRS issue, benghazi, etc to provide small things, you know, like evidence. other than insuinations.

bfng3569
25 Jun 14,, 15:31
z,

well, in this case conservatives just stated that they were doing this openly, complete with the racial dog-whistles. and against another republican to boot.

i'm still waiting for the multiple investigations that have been launched into the IRS issue, benghazi, etc to provide small things, you know, like evidence. other than insuinations.

well gee, maybe if the white house and democrat's were actually forthcoming with the facts and other pertinent information (ya know, instead of destroying it) then, you know, like, maybe there would be a bit more evidence.

astralis
25 Jun 14,, 17:01
bfng,


well gee, maybe if the white house and democrat's were actually forthcoming with the facts and other pertinent information (ya know, instead of destroying it) then, you know, like, maybe there would be a bit more evidence.

ah, tails you win heads i lose.

if there is evidence, that's proof of guilt; if there isn't evidence, that's because the proof has been destroyed...

bfng3569
25 Jun 14,, 18:39
bfng,



ah, tails you win heads i lose.

if there is evidence, that's proof of guilt; if there isn't evidence, that's because the proof has been destroyed...

yaaaaa, you're right.

nothing to see at all here.

move along.

its just another republican witch hunt.

I mean there's like zero indication that there was any wrong doing, not even a smidgen........

if you like your IRS, you can keep your IRS...... (as long as they aren't coming after you.....)

GVChamp
25 Jun 14,, 21:09
What does the bolded statement prove? It's the quote of a single person at a political rally.

gunnut
25 Jun 14,, 21:19
z,

well, in this case conservatives just stated that they were doing this openly, complete with the racial dog-whistles. and against another republican to boot.

i'm still waiting for the multiple investigations that have been launched into the IRS issue, benghazi, etc to provide small things, you know, like evidence. other than insuinations.

That's a lot of straw man and red herrings there.

I still want an explanation on why voting is the only official activity one could engage in this country without presenting any ID. Not that I'm complaining. I have my permanent absentee's ballot mailed to my house every election. I could be dead or invalid and still vote....

Should all constitutional rights be free of ID? Are all constitutional rights created equal? Or maybe some constitutional rights are more equal than others....

Liberal socialist democrats here always want us to be more like the progressive Europe. Does any progressive European country NOT require ID at the voting booth?

astralis
25 Jun 14,, 21:47
it's the type of thinking that motivates the presence of poll watchers. it's very much a racial dog-whistle.

astralis
25 Jun 14,, 21:50
gunnut,


That's a lot of straw man and red herrings there.

I still want an explanation on why voting is the only official activity one could engage in this country without presenting any ID. Not that I'm complaining. I have my permanent absentee's ballot mailed to my house every election. I could be dead or invalid and still vote....

Should all constitutional rights be free of ID? Are all constitutional rights created equal? Or maybe some constitutional rights are more equal than others....

Liberal socialist democrats here always want us to be more like the progressive Europe. Does any progressive European country NOT require ID at the voting booth?

it's interesting to see a conservative/libertarian take this tack, because libertarians are dead-set against any form of national ID. :)

by the way, Mississippi DOES have voter ID law...

Bigfella
25 Jun 14,, 22:39
We have never needed ID at a polling booth. Just mark off your name. We vote for some level of government on average once a year & I'm yet to be asked in over 25 years. I'm betting we aren't the only 'progressive' country to do it.

Doktor
25 Jun 14,, 22:48
It's rather confusing being born with unique #. Till the massive computer networks it was not much of an issue. Show your id and carry on
. things get scarry now.

Minskaya
25 Jun 14,, 23:24
Cochran defeats McDaniel in tight Mississippi GOP Senate runoff race ("http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/25/polls-close-in-mississippi-gop-runoff-race-between-veteran-lawmaker-thad/[/url)

YellowFever
25 Jun 14,, 23:28
it's the type of thinking that motivates the presence of poll watchers. it's very much a racial dog-whistle.

It's the type of thinking seen through the eyes of a liberal who see racism everywhere, whether real or not.

It's also a cool moniker to hang on a people that thinks diferrently than a liberal....by the liberal.

zraver
25 Jun 14,, 23:29
z,

well, in this case conservatives just stated that they were doing this openly, complete with the racial dog-whistles. and against another republican to boot.

i'm still waiting for the multiple investigations that have been launched into the IRS issue, benghazi, etc to provide small things, you know, like evidence. other than insuinations.

Nice strawman...

I didn't bring up Benghazi. IRS- hundreds of conservative groups targeted v 3 progressive groups. The person acting as the go between, between IRS enforcers and the White House lawyers (no one disputes the two talked the issue is about what) takes the 5th (which is against self incrimination ie the innocent with nothing to hide do not take the 5th), destroyed emails, delayed reporting to Congress, destruction of hard drives and data in violation of federal law.... Nothing to see here move along.

When did you go full commie?

As for the election- looks like Cochran and the GOP and DEM establishment colluded to race bait. Waiting to see how many Democrats who couldn't be bothered to show up for their own primary magically appeared to vote in the GOP primary. But of course you'll think this cross seeding and stealing the other parties nominee from them is just fine. I hope everyone of those Dem votes is challenged in Court. Then I hope Cochran loses in the general election he is a slimeball.

gunnut
25 Jun 14,, 23:42
gunnut,

it's interesting to see a conservative/libertarian take this tack, because libertarians are dead-set against any form of national ID. :)

by the way, Mississippi DOES have voter ID law...

I actually agree with you. I just want it applied to all constitutional rights.

antimony
26 Jun 14,, 02:04
I actually agree with you. I just want it applied to all constitutional rights.

Including gun ownership?

gunnut
26 Jun 14,, 02:57
Including gun ownership?

You read my mind. :biggrin:

astralis
26 Jun 14,, 14:48
YF,


It's the type of thinking seen through the eyes of a liberal who see racism everywhere, whether real or not.

It's also a cool moniker to hang on a people that thinks diferrently than a liberal....by the liberal.

right, poll-watching in MISSISSIPPI, a state well-known for its racial harmony and integration, has no racial overtones whatsoever. even though it's a tableau that a black person alive in 1965 would be quite familiar with, using much of the same vocabulary.

the only thing left to complete the tableau is a requirement for a literacy test...which Tom Tancredo advocated for at the opening keynote speech of the 2010 Tea Party Convention.

i'll be happy to throw out a bipartisan bone on this one, though. the state Dem party chairman also said that he'd bet a steak dinner that something nefarious happened.

ah, the good ol' South.

Albany Rifles
26 Jun 14,, 16:22
Astralis, most stereotypes have a gorunding in the truth.

Hence my earlier post of the 50th anniversary being a sadly ironic intersection.

bfng3569
26 Jun 14,, 18:28
YF,



right, poll-watching in MISSISSIPPI, a state well-known for its racial harmony and integration, has no racial overtones whatsoever. even though it's a tableau that a black person alive in 1965 would be quite familiar with, using much of the same vocabulary.

the only thing left to complete the tableau is a requirement for a literacy test...which Tom Tancredo advocated for at the opening keynote speech of the 2010 Tea Party Convention.

i'll be happy to throw out a bipartisan bone on this one, though. the state Dem party chairman also said that he'd bet a steak dinner that something nefarious happened.

ah, the good ol' South.


'The anger and frustration was clear on Tuesday night when, after the results showed Cochran’s victory, a defiant McDaniel refused to concede the race. At issue was the possibility that Democrats who voted for Cochran also cast votes in their own party’s primary — and whether enough Democrats did so to change the outcome of the race. As of this writing, McDaniel still has not conceded, and he said in a statement Wednesday that he is weighing his legal options. The Senate Conservatives Fund, one of the groups that backed McDaniel and helped fund polling center monitors, told Yahoo News on Wednesday that it would not challenge the results of the election in court.'



but hey, it's all about race though isn't it?

astralis
26 Jun 14,, 19:04
bfng,


At issue was the possibility that Democrats who voted for Cochran also cast votes in their own party’s primary

no freakin' sh*t that's the official reason given. but tell me, how would POLLWATCHERS catch this when by law pollwatchers CANNOT talk to voters?

YellowFever
26 Jun 14,, 21:51
YF,



right, poll-watching in MISSISSIPPI, a state well-known for its racial harmony and integration, has no racial overtones whatsoever. even though it's a tableau that a black person alive in 1965 would be quite familiar with, using much of the same vocabulary.

the only thing left to complete the tableau is a requirement for a literacy test...which Tom Tancredo advocated for at the opening keynote speech of the 2010 Tea Party Convention.

i'll be happy to throw out a bipartisan bone on this one, though. the state Dem party chairman also said that he'd bet a steak dinner that something nefarious happened.

ah, the good ol' South.


So what are you trying to say?

In an age where poll watchers are dispatched like candy in any close election all around the world, are you trying to say Republicans in Mississippi should never, ever dispatch poll watchers because it offends the sensibilities of of some politically correct people because of what happened there 40-50 years ago?

Please tell us what YOU think about this instead of posting articles written by someone else.

Here let's try this again.....I post:


It's the type of thinking seen through the eyes of a liberal who see racism everywhere, whether real or not.

It's also a cool moniker to hang on a people that thinks diferrently than a liberal....by the liberal.

And your opinion is...?

astralis
26 Jun 14,, 22:44
YF,


In an age where poll watchers are dispatched like candy in any close election all around the world,

yeah, largely in second-world places where voting fraud is widespread. the US has many problems, this is not one of them.

even for the problem that they did fear-- IE, democrats whom voted in the dem primary voting in the republican one-- pollwatchers have no effect. so why exactly are pollwatchers there?



Please tell us what YOU think about this instead of posting articles written by someone else.

i have. at the -very least-, it demonstrates racial insensitivity. is it an accident that the proponents of such use almost the exact same vocabulary as the racists of 50-60s years ago? and there are still quite a few people alive from that period, too.


And your opinion is...?

of your post-- for me, personally, you might be surprised to know that i understand your viewpoint.

i know my share of liberal folks whom talk about "white heteronormative hegemony" whenever someone farts wrongly.

but in this case, the racial dog-whistle is all but screaming. this is Mississippi, for godssakes, with the candidate in question giving a keynote speech at the Sons of Confederate Veterans. like i said, no racial overtones involved? really?

zraver
26 Jun 14,, 23:04
bfng,



no freakin' sh*t that's the official reason given. but tell me, how would POLLWATCHERS catch this when by law pollwatchers CANNOT talk to voters?

watch to make sure ID is shown, count numbers who show up to vote (vs votes cast) and other metrics.

zraver
26 Jun 14,, 23:07
but in this case, the racial dog-whistle is all but screaming. this is Mississippi, for godssakes, with the candidate in question giving a keynote speech at the Sons of Confederate Veterans. like i said, no racial overtones involved? really?

And yet the black mayor of Vicksburg refused to rise to the race baiting and attack McDaneil when all but begged to do so by NPR. He said he voted for Cohran based on his ability to deliver pork... Which makes me wonder- the Democrat mayor of a large city didn't vote in the Democrat primary.... uh huh sure.

bfng3569
27 Jun 14,, 17:32
bfng,



no freakin' sh*t that's the official reason given. but tell me, how would POLLWATCHERS catch this when by law pollwatchers CANNOT talk to voters?

I have no freakin idea as I know nothing about what poll watchers actually do, but tell me, are you seriously insinuating that they are out there in little white hats with billy clubs?

Doktor
27 Jun 14,, 18:03
watch to make sure ID is shown, count numbers who show up to vote (vs votes cast) and other metrics.

Right id? There is one for voting
?

astralis
27 Jun 14,, 21:41
bfng,


I have no freakin idea as I know nothing about what poll watchers actually do, but tell me, are you seriously insinuating that they are out there in little white hats with billy clubs?

seeing as how there's very little poll fraud to begin with, and their limited powers and even ability to observe, what do you THINK the purpose of those partisan pollwatchers is?

it's *not* pure racism, insomuch that they're not dragging black people out of the polls. it DOES have racial overtones, especially in the context of the situation and the history. recall when conservatives were in a tizzy because there were New Black Panther pollwatchers back in 2008? it's the same concept, albeit of course with a less extreme tinge.

bfng3569
30 Jun 14,, 18:45
z,

well, in this case conservatives just stated that they were doing this openly, complete with the racial dog-whistles. and against another republican to boot.

i'm still waiting for the multiple investigations that have been launched into the IRS issue, benghazi, etc to provide small things, you know, like evidence. other than insuinations.


bfng,



seeing as how there's very little poll fraud to begin with, and their limited powers and even ability to observe, what do you THINK the purpose of those partisan pollwatchers is?

it's *not* pure racism, insomuch that they're not dragging black people out of the polls. it DOES have racial overtones, especially in the context of the situation and the history. recall when conservatives were in a tizzy because there were New Black Panther pollwatchers back in 2008? it's the same concept, albeit of course with a less extreme tinge.\

so what are you presenting, facts, or insinuations? you cant scream for one while you while you do the other.

and now you are comparing poll watches to Black Panthers, as opposed to say the kkk, whitch would seem a bit more apt?

and again, I don't know enough about them, what can or can not do, or what they did or did not do, but I would assume racism would be easy to prove in such a publicly covered election whith all this national media attention.

as for what I think they are were asked in for, it seems like the losing party is not at all happy with a republican who is courting the democratic vote to win and is trying to draw as much attention (negative for the winner) as he can to it.

as well as drawing attention to the question of whether or not voter fraud, in the form of 'double voting', did in fact take place.

as to whether there are better ways to do that, probably.

but that's not the point here is it?

astralis
30 Jun 14,, 19:19
bfng,


and now you are comparing poll watches to Black Panthers, as opposed to say the kkk, whitch would seem a bit more apt?


no, i'm asking you about the UTILITY of the pollwatching in both cases. the Black Panthers called themselves pollwatchers; how much did that contribute to actual voting integrity? what was the real reason they were there?

in both cases the real issue is NOT voting integrity but the wish to garner, as you say, attention to their cause. in both cases (with different reasons) there's a heavy racial overtone to the act.

bfng3569
01 Jul 14,, 15:02
bfng,



no, i'm asking you about the UTILITY of the pollwatching in both cases. the Black Panthers called themselves pollwatchers; how much did that contribute to actual voting integrity? what was the real reason they were there?

in both cases the real issue is NOT voting integrity but the wish to garner, as you say, attention to their cause. in both cases (with different reasons) there's a heavy racial overtone to the act.


And I'm asking for you facts, not your insinuations, to back up your claims of racism and comparison's to the black panthers.

surely there must be tons of evidence in this widely publicized and covered event?

astralis
01 Jul 14,, 15:21
bfng,



And I'm asking for you facts, not your insinuations, to back up your claims of racism and comparison's to the black panthers

are you being deliberately obtuse?

if i said this was *racist* then i would SAY it was racist. instead, i said there was a heavy racial overtone (NOT the same thing as racism), because of prior history, context, and place. an organization that skews more white places pollwatchers to somehow guard against the prospect of black dems committing voter fraud.

if this was, say, California or Connecticut this would be less of an issue, but the place is MISSISSIPPI, where this tableau played out in a similar fashion forty-fifty odd years ago, in a truly racist way. you can't escape historical context.

bfng3569
01 Jul 14,, 19:00
bfng,



are you being deliberately obtuse?

if i said this was *racist* then i would SAY it was racist. instead, i said there was a heavy racial overtone (NOT the same thing as racism), because of prior history, context, and place. an organization that skews more white places pollwatchers to somehow guard against the prospect of black dems committing voter fraud.

if this was, say, California or Connecticut this would be less of an issue, but the place is MISSISSIPPI, where this tableau played out in a similar fashion forty-fifty odd years ago, in a truly racist way. you can't escape historical context.

deliberately 'obtuse'?

gotta love it when a mod acts like an ass hat and is both insulting and condescending.

I'm not going to go back thru and quote all your posts 'insinuating' how racist this is, if you want to now split hairs over whether or not you feel you directly stated it was racist, or simply heavily 'insinuated' it was racist and then pretend theres some big difference between the two, knock yourself out as I see no difference.

the clear implication from your posts comes across as though you 100% feel this is a racist tact and serves no other purpose. if you would like to clarify that, feel free, but it would certainly contradict the tone and message of your previous comments.

and as to the fact vs insinuation comment, you brought that into the thread with this ridiculous comment:

'well, in this case conservatives just stated that they were doing this openly, complete with the racial dog-whistles. and against another republican to boot.

i'm still waiting for the multiple investigations that have been launched into the IRS issue, benghazi, etc to provide small things, you know, like evidence. other than insuinations.'

this one was real helpful as well....... 'ah, tails you win heads i lose.

if there is evidence, that's proof of guilt; if there isn't evidence, that's because the proof has been destroyed...
'

astralis
01 Jul 14,, 20:12
bfng,


gotta love it when a mod acts like an ass hat and is both insulting and condescending.

no need to bring my status into this. i'm speaking as one poster to another, and considering i haven't called YOU an asshat, i'd say YOU were being insulting and condescending.


the clear implication from your posts comes across as though you 100% feel this is a racist tact and serves no other purpose.

no, the clear implication in my post, which i've openly stated, is that there are serious racial overtones to this incident. that's not to say they are being deliberately racist, but at least they are being racially tone-deaf/insensitive.

here's the difference between the two: racist- "f*ck off, you buckteeth chink"; racial overtones- "hello, could you help me with counting up this bill? i've heard you orientals are good at math."

in this case what i'm saying is that the Tea Party in MS is being racially insensitive in their attempt to promote the cause and build their talking points. what they were saying with their actions was that they expected this election to be full of irregularities, and that was why they needed to put pollwatchers there. what the pollwatchers did was beside the point.

bfng3569
01 Jul 14,, 22:17
bfng,



no need to bring my status into this. i'm speaking as one poster to another, and considering i haven't called YOU an asshat, i'd say YOU were being insulting and condescending.



no, the clear implication in my post, which i've openly stated, is that there are serious racial overtones to this incident. that's not to say they are being deliberately racist, but at least they are being racially tone-deaf/insensitive.

here's the difference between the two: racist- "f*ck off, you buckteeth chink"; racial overtones- "hello, could you help me with counting up this bill? i've heard you orientals are good at math."

in this case what i'm saying is that the Tea Party in MS is being racially insensitive in their attempt to promote the cause and build their talking points. what they were saying with their actions was that they expected this election to be full of irregularities, and that was why they needed to put pollwatchers there. what the pollwatchers did was beside the point.


'are you being deliberately obtuse?' guess I didn't grow up in a part of the country were being asked this question was really a veiled compliment.

the rest, your just trying to split grammatical hairs with at this point.

your example doesn't work, at all.

MisterVeritis
11 Oct 14,, 04:55
That's a lot of straw man and red herrings there.

I still want an explanation on why voting is the only official activity one could engage in this country without presenting any ID. Not that I'm complaining. I have my permanent absentee's ballot mailed to my house every election. I could be dead or invalid and still vote....

Should all constitutional rights be free of ID? Are all constitutional rights created equal? Or maybe some constitutional rights are more equal than others....

Liberal socialist democrats here always want us to be more like the progressive Europe. Does any progressive European country NOT require ID at the voting booth?
If liberals were able to win without cheating they would do so.

They cannot. We know that they must win so cheating is perfectly acceptable. It is the reason why they insist on preventing measures that would protect the vote. God I hate liberals!

astralis
11 Oct 14,, 06:25
hello MisterVeritis...before you begin dropping some righteous fury, could you pop on by to the intro forum and let us know who you are?

thanks.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/wab-information-center/61571-introduction-thread-all-new-members-117.html

Albany Rifles
11 Oct 14,, 16:16
And MisterVeritis, speaking for "liberals" everywhere...we aren't real fond of you.

FJV
11 Oct 14,, 17:54
In my opinion they can poll watch all they like.

Just make sure you film the poll watchers, so that the moment they do something to intimidate for the regular people doing the poll
and the police is called, you can prove their "I was doing nothing routine" is bullshit.

I don't trust extremist (leftwing or rightwing) one bit.

Louis
12 Oct 14,, 14:00
If liberals were able to win without cheating they would do so.

They cannot. We know that they must win so cheating is perfectly acceptable. It is the reason why they insist on preventing measures that would protect the vote. God I hate liberals!

Hello .... Goodbye.

MisterVeritis
19 Oct 14,, 23:13
hello MisterVeritis...before you begin dropping some righteous fury, could you pop on by to the intro forum and let us know who you are?

thanks.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/wab-information-center/61571-introduction-thread-all-new-members-117.html

No. My posts will reveal what I believe. I promise to be as gentle as I can be with each of you. I am a Constitutional Conservative. Ask any question of me that you like.

MisterVeritis
19 Oct 14,, 23:14
And MisterVeritis, speaking for "liberals" everywhere...we aren't real fond of you.
Perfect. You have reason to fear me. I stand for individual liberty and individual freedom protected, not abused, by the state.

MisterVeritis
19 Oct 14,, 23:15
Hello .... Goodbye.

Good bye to you too.

tbm3fan
20 Oct 14,, 00:28
Perfect. You have reason to fear me. I stand for individual liberty and individual freedom protected, not abused, by the state.

Bwahaha, right...:wors:

chakos
20 Oct 14,, 01:55
I bet a box of cookies he doesnt make it a week from today.

TopHatter
20 Oct 14,, 02:15
No. My posts will reveal what I believe. I promise to be as gentle as I can be with each of you. I am a Constitutional Conservative. Ask any question of me that you like.

They certainly do. They reveal that you are without respect for this board. So find a new one.

TopHatter
20 Oct 14,, 02:15
I bet a box of cookies he doesnt make it a week from today.

Pay up.

TopHatter
20 Oct 14,, 02:18
Perfect. You have reason to fear me. I stand for individual liberty and individual freedom protected, not abused, by the state.

Oh and go soak your oversized head somewhere :rolleyes:

astralis
20 Oct 14,, 14:27
sort of ironic that a "constitutional conservative" couldn't even be bothered to follow the rules of a web forum. makes you sort of wonder about his sincerity regarding the nation's rules....

Albany Rifles
20 Oct 14,, 14:36
Asty, because 'Murika!

SteveDaPirate
20 Oct 14,, 17:12
God I hate liberals!

Perfect. You have reason to fear me. I stand for individual liberty and individual freedom protected, not abused, by the state.

I am always amazed at the number of people who are so adamantly opposed to anyone who isn't a member of their pet ideology. There are plenty of people even here on the WAB who I disagree with, sometimes even vehemently. Yet that doesn't make them bad people who want an abusive state to destroy the country.

I might think the person I disagree with is missing the point, misguided, or just an idiot. But on more than one occasion I have had my views challenged in such a way as to force me to reconsider them and ultimately change my thinking.

One of the things I like most about the WAB is the diversity of viewpoints and the number of people willing to back up their views with rational explanations and debate.

Yet once you have to resort to ultimatums and attacks against the other party, that is usually a pretty good indication that your ideas and reasoning can't stand on their own merits. Opening with these tactics is a pretty sure sign that you don't intend to offer anything meaningful to the discussion.

/end rant

Albany Rifles
20 Oct 14,, 19:18
Steve,

Good post.

And here's a crazy idea...how abotu we stop using labels? They have become to be bullshit anyway.

tbm3fan
20 Oct 14,, 19:56
They certainly do. They reveal that you are without respect for this board. So find a new one.

Ah, but he gave me a like so he can't be all bad can he...:red:

Bigfella
20 Oct 14,, 21:48
I am always amazed at the number of people who are so adamantly opposed to anyone who isn't a member of their pet ideology. There are plenty of people even here on the WAB who I disagree with, sometimes even vehemently. Yet that doesn't make them bad people who want an abusive state to destroy the country.

I might think the person I disagree with is missing the point, misguided, or just an idiot. But on more than one occasion I have had my views challenged in such a way as to force me to reconsider them and ultimately change my thinking.

One of the things I like most about the WAB is the diversity of viewpoints and the number of people willing to back up their views with rational explanations and debate.

Yet once you have to resort to ultimatums and attacks against the other party, that is usually a pretty good indication that your ideas and reasoning can't stand on their own merits. Opening with these tactics is a pretty sure sign that you don't intend to offer anything meaningful to the discussion.

/end rant

I'm adamantly opposed to anyone who thinks this. :)

Gun Grape
21 Oct 14,, 04:50
None of the mods/admin though of what a fun chew toy he could have been. If only for a few days at least :frown:

chakos
21 Oct 14,, 05:21
Tophatter,

Why pay up? My prediction was accurate.

Albany Rifles
21 Oct 14,, 14:23
None of the mods/admin though of what a fun chew toy he could have been. If only for a few days at least :frown:

Sorry Gunny

Too much policing lately has caused us to be preemptive.

Of course that is just my Radical Northeastern Liberal Gay Baby Whale Loving attitude....

TopHatter
21 Oct 14,, 15:22
Tophatter,

Why pay up? My prediction was accurate.

Spoilsport :tongue:

Officer of Engineers
21 Oct 14,, 15:45
Baby Whale Loving attitude....I was with you until this point. You do know it's a full time job cleaning the shit from a baby whale.

Albany Rifles
21 Oct 14,, 22:10
I was with you until this point. You do know it's a full time job cleaning the shit from a baby whale.

Well sir, its a tough job but someone's got to do it.

GVChamp
22 Oct 14,, 00:34
I am always amazed at the number of people who are so adamantly opposed to anyone who isn't a member of their pet ideology. There are plenty of people even here on the WAB who I disagree with, sometimes even vehemently. Yet that doesn't make them bad people who want an abusive state to destroy the country.

I might think the person I disagree with is missing the point, misguided, or just an idiot. But on more than one occasion I have had my views challenged in such a way as to force me to reconsider them and ultimately change my thinking.

One of the things I like most about the WAB is the diversity of viewpoints and the number of people willing to back up their views with rational explanations and debate.

Yet once you have to resort to ultimatums and attacks against the other party, that is usually a pretty good indication that your ideas and reasoning can't stand on their own merits. Opening with these tactics is a pretty sure sign that you don't intend to offer anything meaningful to the discussion.

/end rant
Not applicable to this board or you, but talk is pretty cheap. I've heard stuff like this for going on 20 years now, and usually that's coming from a so-called "moderate" who really toes a party line on virtually every issue.

I prefer the honest ideologues, who don't even pretend to listen to my opinions. Also party-affiliated ideologues tend to have at least superficial knowledge of current issues. "independent" ideloegous are just sarcastic cynics that make Holden Caulfield seem bubbly.