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Albany Rifles
01 Jun 14,, 17:30
Let me say, I don't speak Spanish, I could care less about soccer (futbol) in general and the World Cup in particular. I would much prefer watching the World Junior Hockey Championship.

That said, THIS is how you make a video to exhort your national team to succeed! Chile is is in the Draw of Death with Spain & The Netherlands. If I were the Chilean coach I would put this on loop in the locker room and team bus!



http://youtu.be/tmLmWiqSVS8

My God, I think I just ran through a wall!

Bigfella
02 Jun 14,, 11:44
Chile is is in the Draw of Death with Spain & The Netherlands.

.....and?......and?......

Give you a hint, its big, dry, occupies a fair portion of the southern hemisphere, is home to a race of stunningly handsome & intelligent men, and never misses a decent American war.

You bastards can fight your own damned wars next time. :mad:

No respect.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLGxWPtgodo

Bigfella
02 Jun 14,, 12:04
While I'm not a huge club Soccer fan, and will be more focused on the Mighty Hawks as they chase elusive back to back flags in the local Aussie rules comp, I do enjoy a good World Cup.

I acquired an appreciation for top flight soccer and a lifelong attachment to the roller coaster that is Dutch football while at University in the late 1980s. The World Cup is quite simply the biggest thing in sport and it has produced some of the finest moments in sport. I will have an image of Diego Maradona running through the entire English team seared into my brain until I die (Englishmen, on the other hand, will have an image of the 'hand of God' :biggrin: ).

This World Cup sucks for a number of reasons. First, my other team, Australia, is not only lacking quality footballers, but we also have the toughest group. It will be a short World Cup and we could concede a double figure sum of goals. Second, Australia & the Netherlands are in the same group (my boss is Chilean by birth - he is pissed off too). Third, the second placed team in the group plays Brazil in the second round, so Holland has to finish top in the Group of Death. Worst of all, the broadcast times are mostly at times of the morning that preclude me seeing very much. Two in the morning is too late to stay up & too early to wake up. CRAP!

However, I will watch what I can, drape myself in an Orange scarf & hope that Italy, England, Italy, Spain, Italy and Italy get knocked out early. Did I mention that I am keen to see Italy knocked out early? ;)

HUP HOLLAND HUP!!!!!

sated buddha
02 Jun 14,, 12:11
While I'm not a huge club Soccer fan, and will be more focused on the Mighty Hawks as they chase elusive back to back flags in the local Aussie rules comp, I do enjoy a good World Cup.

Same here. In fact I do not enjoy club-anything in any sport (especially cricket ....). Nation vs nation or individual brilliance is what I love following and watching.


I will have an image of Diego Maradona running through the entire English team seared into my brain until I die (Englishmen, on the other hand, will have an image of the 'hand of God' :biggrin: ).

On of my earliest and most clear WC memories as well. Watching the match late at night, me and dad. My dad grew up in a Pele world. I grew up in a Maradona one. I always argue that while Pele had a team of stars around him, that Hand of God WC was almost a Maradona show first to last.

I am salivating at the prospect of watching this World Cup (I will make the time .... somehow!). In terms of what I look forward to more, I place it above the Olympics frankly. The other international event I look forward to nearly as much (not as much now though) is the Tour de Fance.

Bigfella
02 Jun 14,, 12:12
I found this online. it is hilarious. I'll reproduce select bits for each group. Read the whole thing if you are planning to follow the World Cup & don't take it too seriously.

World Cup 2014: Comedian Andy Zaltzman presents his neutral's guide to picking a team - World Cup 2014 - Football - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/world-cup-2014-comedian-andy-zaltzman-presents-his-neutrals-guide-to-picking-a-team-9419957.html)

The percentage figure at the end is the 'neutral rating' - how much neutral support the team might have.


BRAZIL

The 2014 Brazilians may lack the panache of their predecessors, relying on disappointingly monosyllabic forwards such as Fred, Jo, Hulk, Thud, Puke, Goat and Plank, but the mere sight of their yellow shirts can turn even the most functional of footballing pragmatists misty-eyed with recollections of Pelé's 1970 team of genius, and that 1982 side of Zico, Socrates and Eder, whose football made you want to dig up long-dead relatives, blast some strong coffee into their faces, and shout: "What are you doing being dead, you idiot? Wake up now, you do not want to miss this".

Neutral Supportability Rating (NSR): 87%



CROATIA

Eternally in footballing credit for knocking Germany out in the 1998 quarter final, and knocking them out properly, with a 3-0 clomping administered by a stylish team of schemers and artists. They are also likely to keep you very interested in your office's World Cup sweepstake. Assuming that 'Worst Disciplinary Record' is a money-winning category.



MEXICO

In a world of uncertainty and flux, Mexico offer a comforting blanket of dependability.....being knocked out in the Round of 16.

It has happened at five consecutive World Cups. Silken passing football, and a last-16 knock-out. They could be drawn in a group with the 1970s Brazilians, Barcelona from 2011, and Genghis Khan's all-conquering Mongolia team of the early 13th century, and they would find a way to get through. Before losing to Bogsworth Primary's Under-9 Bs in the second round.



CAMEROON

The Indomitable Lions entranced everyone in the largely tedious 1990 World Cup with their athleticism and flair. And with their fouling, which was truly spectacular.

In the dying minutes of their opening match against reigning champions Argentina, as they defended a 1-0 lead, Benjamin Massing executed one of the great World Cup fouls, launching himself at Claudio Caniggia like a combination of an Exocet missile, JPR Williams and a hungry lion taking down an extremely tasty-looking zebra. He missed the ball by approximately 25 yards. Caniggia went into orbit. Boot dislodged, danger averted, mission accomplished. If any football foul has been a work of art, this was it. The referee was so impressed that he showed Massing a red card. And then a yellow card. Suggesting that the foul was worth one-and-a-half sendings off. A conservative estimate.

....and it was one of the most spectacular fouls since Portugal tried to cripple Pele in 1966.

sated buddha
02 Jun 14,, 12:17
I just recalled. 1982 was my youngest memory. I saw that Brazilain team play! I was 11.

Bigfella
02 Jun 14,, 12:20
World Cup 2014: Comedian Andy Zaltzman presents his neutral's guide to Group B - World Cup 2014 - Football - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/world-cup-2014-comedian-andy-zaltzman-presents-his-neutrals-guide-to-group-b-9426794.html)


NETHERLANDS

The opening match is a rematch of the 2010 final, when the Dutch put on what is regarded by many seasoned experts as perhaps the greatest display of mixed martial arts in World Cup history.

They entranced the world in the 1970s, when Johan Cruyff and the Total Footballers conclusively disproved the age-old theory that, "if you dress like a carrot, you play like a carrot". Bergkamp scored one of the greatest World Cup goals in 1998. But any lingering neutral goodwill is destroyed by thinking about the 2010 final, about Nigel de Jong's attempt to give Xabi Alonso unrequested open-heart surgery with his studs,



CHILE

Chile are likely to be brilliant, flamboyant and thrilling. They are also likely to be knocked out in the group stages. The fact that Marcelo Bielsa's unrestrainedly attacking side have been drawn against the two 2010 finalists, while traditional grind-meisters and titans of footballing tedium Switzerland play in the pallid-looking Group E, is conclusive proof of the non-existence of God.

Or, you could argue, conclusive proof that God hates football (which in itself is possibly linked to the advent of José Mourinho).


AUSTRALIA

May garner some sympathy support. Australia have no chance. In fact, last week, manager Ange Posticoglu announced that the Socceroos are pulling out of the tournament. "We always hear sports people saying: 'If we didn't think we could win it, we wouldn't be here.' Well, we're in a group with the Netherlands, Spain, and Chile. If by some miracle we sneak through that Group Of Death – which, let's face it, is about as likely as Joan of Arc getting through her 'Group Of Death' when she was drawn against Medieval Justice, Fire and Physics in the 1431 European Championships – then we'll probably have to play Brazil. So we do not think we can win it. In fact, I know we can't win it. Cheerio."


The Australian coach didn't say this, but we are all thinking it.

Bigfella
02 Jun 14,, 12:30
World Cup 2014: Comedian Andy Zaltzman presents his neutral's guide to Group C - World Cup 2014 - Football - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/world-cup-2014-comedian-andy-zaltzman-presents-his-neutrals-guide-to-group-c-9426806.html)


GREECE

Greece, not undeservedly, won the 2004 European Championship with football that was tactically sophisticated/unremittingly negative (delete according to whether or not you are trying to impress someone with your superior understanding of the strategic nuances of the great game). The Greeks may been world-changing pioneers in democracy, the arts, philosophy, and oiled-up naked wrestling, but those achievements pale into insignificance when set against the pall they cast over football with their Grim Grind To Glory campaign 10 years ago. They need no more success.

NSR: 2%



IVORY COAST

Ivory Coast anti-boast the lowest GDP per capita of any of the 32 competing nations, coming a disappointing 148th out of 180 listed countries, according to a combination of The World Bank and Wikipedia (two uneasy factual bedfellows). Economists claim that, without Didier Drogba, the Ivorians would be in the bottom 10. This is a nation that could clearly do with a footballing perk-up, and World Cups always need a team to break the Europeo-South-American hegemony.

NSR: 81%


JAPAN

Japan are one of the teams who have benefitted most from the expansion to 32 teams in 1998, qualifying for every tournament since, but doing little of interest, to such an extent that legal proceedings are underway to change their national slogan from 'Land of the Rising Sun' to 'Land of the Competent But Unremarkable Football'. Unlikely to attract support from whale-loving neutrals, due to a continuing predilection for hunting the celebrity aquatic megamammals for 'research purposes'. This 'research' is, reportedly, into scientifically imperative questions such as: what happens when you shoot a harpoon at a whale? Can whales still swim after they are dead? If you chase a whale with a large boat, does it become a shark? And how much soy sauce do you need with a perfectly-cooked whale steak?

NSR: 14%

Bigfella
02 Jun 14,, 12:48
World Cup 2014: Comedian Andy Zaltzman presents his neutral's guide to Group D - World Cup 2014 - Football - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/world-cup-2014-comedian-andy-zaltzman-presents-his-neutrals-guide-to-group-d-9426809.html)



ENGLAND

For the neutral, England must have been a hard team to support in recent tournaments, even in the unlikely event that your nation is one of the few with no long-standing historic grudge against the English, relating to history, empire, being located on the same land mass, some iffy refereeing decisions in battles that were fought hundreds of years ago, or a combination of all of the above.

England's campaigns have mostly been characterised by joyless, fearful, low-scoring draws against footballing micropowers, squeezing through a not-too-demanding group stage before slinking out of the tournament in a soggy blancmange of missed penalties and/or perceived injustice, while the world analyses the inverse correlation between the players' reported wages and their ability to pass a ball in an even approximately sensible direction.



ITALY

On the negative side, there are racist fans, Silvio Berlusconi, match fixing, and the fact that the Stifling Negativity club is very much in Italy's footballing golf bag, and they are prepared to use that club regardless of how the ball is lying. Neutrals will eagerly await the end of Italy's tournament, whether successful or not – Italian body language at the moment of World Cup victory or defeat is worth four years of licence fees on its own – while the opening-match showdown against England could be a highlight of the tournament. Or a stultifying 0-0 draw.


THE INDEPENDENT REPUBLIC OF TEN-MAN URUGUAY

If you like to support a sporting minnow, but believe all things should be judged relative to a nation's population, then Uruguay is the team for you. The 3.3-million-strong numerical underdogs have overbarked throughout World Cup history, winning in 1930 and 1950, and reaching three other semi-finals.

The last of these was four years ago, when goal-scoring and opinion-splitting specialist Luis Suárez pulled off an understandable if shameless handball to stop Ghana scoring in the quarter-final, one of the most flagrant acts of cheating in the tournament's impressive history of wilful skulduggery.

Disappointingly, Suárez's red card was a now isolated incident of wrong-doing. Uruguay used to be entertainingly, almost heroically, ill-disciplined in the age before red cards were commonplace (peaking in 1986, when, in consecutive group matches, they found themselves down to 10 men after, respectively, 19 minutes and slightly under one minute). As refereeing became stricter, and picking up red cards was no longer a challenge, so Uruguay increasingly, and regrettably, concentrated on the football.

NSR: Between 0% and 51%, (depending on how naughty Luis Suárez is)

Bigfella
02 Jun 14,, 13:00
World Cup 2014: Comedian Andy Zaltzman presents his neutral's guide to Group E - World Cup 2014 - Football - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/world-cup-2014-comedian-andy-zaltzman-presents-his-neutrals-guide-to-group-e-9426815.html)


SWITZERLAND

The Swiss are to thrilling, edge-of-the-seat football what Freddy Krueger is to ballet. Moreover, with the highest GDP per capita of any of the 32 qualifying nations, plus a total of 23 grand-slam singles titles in the past 17 years, there is absolutely no need for Switzerland to enjoy even the semblance of a World Cup run to distract them from other hobbies, such as questionable banking practices, looking at mountains, and speaking an unnecessary number of languages.

NSR: 0%


FRANCE

Laurent Blanc's team was on the verge of being knocked out by Ukraine in the play-offs last November, but recovered from a two-goal first-leg deficit, and have been unharshly rewarded with a place in the Group Of Life. Nevertheless, if there is one major team that could make a Horlicks of an apparently simple qualification, it is France, whose group stage flops in 2002 and 2010 were among the most inept campaigns by any organisation in any sphere of activity, sporting or otherwise.

It is also strange to think that, if that play-off game had gone differently, Vladimir Putin would have annexed Corsica instead of Crimea, and would now be claiming that the people of St Tropez had always "felt Russian". At 22-1, France represent a high-value each-way bet, but, as post-war France boss Charlie de Gaulle said: "Can you manage a football team whose nation has 246 varieties of cheese?".

NSR: 24% (100% against Switzerland)


ECUADOR

Ecuador has a squad packed with players who have excelled at a very high level. Literally. They squeaked through to the finals in fourth place in the South American qualifying, with seven wins in 16 games. All of those seven victories (plus one of their four draws) came in home matches, played 2,800 metres above sea level in Quito. It is often said that a supportive home crowd is like a 12th man for the team. Quito's altitude is like a 12th man who doubles up as a psychotic double-agent physio, nobbling the opposition with a home-made lung-squasher.

Ecuador's opening two matches are in relatively low-lying Brasília (1,200 metres, against Switzerland, a team which, you would assume, is not afraid of the odd mountain), and Curitiba, which tips the altimeter at a disappointing 900 metres. Their potentially crucial final game, against France, takes place in Rio de Janeiro, which is, notoriously, by the seaside. If Ecuador need a victory, and Fifa deny them permission either to crank the Maracanã up on a 2,800-metre-high hydraulic platform, or to relocate the match away from Brazil to a specially constructed temporary stadium on the upper slopes of K2, they may struggle.

Not the most obvious recipient of neutral support, unless you have a deep respect for any country that names itself after exactly where it is on the globe, as equator-hugging Ecuador has been honest enough to do.

NSR: 20% (100% against Switzerland)

Bigfella
02 Jun 14,, 13:06
World Cup 2014: Comedian Andy Zaltzman presents his neutral's guide to Group F - World Cup 2014 - Football - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/world-cup-2014-comedian-andy-zaltzman-presents-his-neutrals-guide-to-group-f-9426821.html)

One for Doc. :biggrin:


BOSNIA and HERZEGOVINA

A first finals appearance for the latest Balkan nation to grace global football's showpiece. If they, Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro and Slovenia all got together under one regional flag, they could have one hell of a team. Why has no one suggested that before?


IRAN

The lowest-ranked of the participating nations in the Press Freedom Index, the Iranian government – seldom the easiest regime to warm to as a neutral – has been preparing for its fourth World Cup by executing anything that moves.

Iran are 1,500-1 to win the tournament, but are worth a small slice of neutral backing just to hear an Israeli radio commentary on Iran thrashing the USA 6-0 in the final on 13 July. An admittedly unlikely scenario.

NSR: 6%



NIGERIA

Neutrals may hope that The Super Eagles unclip their wings after all these years, before they are re-nicknamed The Adequate Pigeons, for no other reason than that footballing success would likely irritate the balaclavas off the Islamist terror groups who have become such a remorselessly and tragically tedious feature of the Nigerian newscape. A Nigerian World Cup run could possibly annoy them even more than international politicians brandishing a firmly-worded hashtag in their vague direction.

This is assuming that Boko Haram, the gobby, stupid and violent minority-interest pressure group, are of similar mind to their Malian counterparts Ansar Dine, who have stated that they want to ban football. This was yet another example of terrorists' ongoing failure to get to grips with modern public relations. Besides, not only is football universally popular, but it also has arcane, outdated rules, and an opinionated fan base; it has traditionally been anachronistically homophobic, and is a long-standing bastion of gender inequality. You would expect the likes of Ansar Dine to be signing up for satellite subscriptions, not calling for the beautiful game to be banned.

Bigfella
02 Jun 14,, 13:12
World Cup 2014: Comedian Andy Zaltzman presents his neutral's guide to Group G - World Cup 2014 - Football - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/world-cup-2014-comedian-andy-zaltzman-presents-his-neutrals-guide-to-group-g-9426827.html)



GERMANY

As an England fan, it used to be so easy not to support Germany, regardless of whom they were playing against. Aside from any lingering tabloid-fuelled historical resentment towards our Teutonic rivals, their football was easy to hate – scientifically joyless, remorselessly practical, and, above all, irritatingly, maddeningly effective. Good German teams did well in World Cups. Bad German teams seemed to do even better. It was like watching the team England could have been, if only we had taught our youngsters how to do things like kick the ball accurately, run into the right places, or successfully hit a 24ft by 8ft target from a range of just 12 yards.



PORTUGAL

Portugal will justifiably garner neutral support due to its phenomenal custard tarts, and a proud history of global exploration that helped spread European 'influence' around the world, thus facilitating the spread of football and the evolution of the 32-team behemoth of a tournament we have come to know and quite love today. Ronaldo's 2014 side could do with channelling the adventurous spirit shown by the likes of six-time European Explorer of the Year, Vasco da Gama, and mid-second-millennium circumnavigation celebrity, Ferdinand Magellan – they failed to score in three of their four matches in 2010, squibbing out damply to Spain in the second round


UNITED STATES

The USA needs football success less than any other nation in this tournament. America quite likes football, and, if the US did somehow manage to win, it would probably merit at least a passing mention on CNN's evening bulletin.

If Brazil, for example, has proven itself to have a memory span of at least 64 years when it comes to footballing pain, the USA's equivalent would probably be a two-minute micro-sulk of mild disappointment. Besides, America has been overwhelmed by glory in other sports – the World Series baseball, American Football's Super Bowl, ice hockey's Stanley Cup and whatever the basketball one is called, have all been dominated by US franchises in recent years. America can do without World Cup glory. The world knows it, they know it, and the World Cup draw knew it, plonking them justifiably into the Group Of Death #2.

NSR: 9%

Bigfella
02 Jun 14,, 13:17
World Cup 2014: Comedian Andy Zaltzman presents his neutral's guide to Group H - World Cup 2014 - Football - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/world-cup-2014-comedian-andy-zaltzman-presents-his-neutrals-guide-to-group-h-9426830.html)



BELGIUM

They will be well-supported by democracy sceptics, too. Belgium spent 18 months without a government in 2010 and 2011, and not only did everything seem to bumble along just fine, but it proved to be the catalyst for the football team not only to qualify for a tournament for the first time in 12 years, but also to become 14-1 fifth favourite. Greg Dyke: watch and learn. And then depose the government. Functioning legislative bodies are all that are holding back this country's football.

NSR: 81%


ALGERIA

Algeria still awaits financial and/or footballing reparations for being mercilessly stitched up by West Germany and Austria in 1982. The two played out a 1-0 win for the Germans, a result that took them both through to the second round at Algeria's expense, in a match that had all the intensity and competitiveness of a geriatric tortoise versus stale baguette bowls match, and the believability of a North Korean government press release. Admittedly, it was not the most damaging Germano-Austrian deal in world history, but it was one of the World Cup's greatest embarrassments.


USSR/RUSSIA (Delete according to whether Vladimir Putin has gone the whole hog by 12 June)

Imagine Vladimir Putin's face if Russia win the World Cup.

NSR: 0%



SOUTH KOREA

Imagine Kim Jong-un's face if South Korea win the World Cup.

NSR: 100%


Hope you had fun.

HUP HOLLAND HUP!!!!!!

Bigfella
02 Jun 14,, 13:26
Same here. In fact I do not enjoy club-anything in any sport (especially cricket ....). Nation vs nation or individual brilliance is what I love following and watching.

Don't misunderstand, my two abiding sporting loves are international cricket & Australian Rules Football. The latter is strictly a club game, and my allegiance is to Hawthorn, a team originally hailing from a suburb of Melbourne where I briefly lived as a child & now happen to work (the former was why I follow them, the latter just good luck). Club sport can be great, but in the absence of pay TV & a lot of time Club Soccer is not on my radar.



On of my earliest and most clear WC memories as well. Watching the match late at night, me and dad. My dad grew up in a Pele world. I grew up in a Maradona one. I always argue that while Pele had a team of stars around him, that Hand of God WC was almost a Maradona show first to last.


Pele won 2 World Cups & would have won a third if he hadn't injured himself during the '62 tournament. He helped to build that champion team around him. Maradona was a genius & the greatest player of my generation, but Pele will always be the king to me. Plus, Pele didn't degenerate into a cheating, drug taking, overweight parody of himself. Despite being a living god he maintained some dignity - impressive in itself.


I am salivating at the prospect of watching this World Cup (I will make the time .... somehow!). In terms of what I look forward to more, I place it above the Olympics frankly. The other international event I look forward to nearly as much (not as much now though) is the Tour de Fance.


Can't say the TDF does it for me (scenery on TV has little appeal), but agree about the WC. I love to watch the greatest players in the greatest contest in the world. If Holland can't win it for me than I want Messi to get the World Cup he deserves. he is the best I have seen since Maradona. If the Argentinean coach has half a brain he should get close.

tankie
02 Jun 14,, 13:45
At a press briefing at Luton Airport on Sunday, Roy Hodgson confirmed younger England players are being taken to the World Cup primarily to get used to losing.

”Some have lost with their clubs at home and at European level: now they must do so on the World stage if they want to earn a long-term England place.”

Sadly, others are still hungry for success “You can see it in their eyes: they positively radiate passion, belief and hope. And it’s my job, together with Stevie [team captain, Gerrard], to snuff that out.”

Gerrard himself is upbeat about their opportunities “Now that Beckham has retired, players such as Rooney must show the kids how to lose gracelessly; maybe foul an opponent, geta red card and become a hate-figure for the British press”.

Critics have noted Hodgson’s worrying history of managerial success but he is quick to point out that was early in his career “Apart from a lapse at the start of this century I haven’t won anything for 25 years and I’m not about to throw all that away now.”

Prior to flying out, the squad was acclimatised to conditions in Brazil by being left crying for two weeks in the nearby Premier Inn on Harold Road, Dunstable.

“The lads were already proficient at staring at their shoes and looking baffled during the national anthem” says Hodgson “but were keen to develop their talents: So when the song starts, they’re to take a deep breath and then boo as loud as they can.

:biggrin::biggrin:

Albany Rifles
02 Jun 14,, 16:32
BF yup sums us up well

tantalus
02 Jun 14,, 18:14
My God, I think I just ran through a wall!
mental, ya they should definitely watch that over breakfast before the opening game against the aussies

tantalus
02 Jun 14,, 18:33
It has the potential to be a great world cup. Brazil is a special place for football. It's a home world cup for all the south american teams and they are a strong bunch this time round with six countries due to Brazil being hosts. Ecuador are a strange one as highlighted by Bigfella's comic account of the participants, but the rest are very strong.

I think European football has raised the bar in the last 10 years. Spain have pushed the game into a new professional era and the Netherlands and Germany have quickly followed. I hope we return to a world cup not dominated by Europe this time around. I have been disappointed by the level of professionalism in some of the non-European teams in recent world cups. Argentina were a travesty last time round, I'm hoping for big things from them this time round.

But the margins are tiny and the scope for a poorer team on the day to knock out a favourite is high in football. A sport with few scores and one-off games is a recipe for big shocks.

The Irish may not have qualified, but the time zones favour us considerably, kickoffs from 5 to 11 in the evening, it's gonna be a hell of a month...

Bigfella
02 Jun 14,, 22:30
The Irish may not have qualified, but the time zones favour us considerably, kickoffs from 5 to 11 in the evening, it's gonna be a hell of a month...

Bastards! :mad:

I'd cheerfully swap places - you can qualify & we get decent TV times. :tongue:

Oracle
03 Jun 14,, 06:59
Now the fixture.

37047

tantalus
06 Jun 14,, 15:59
Now the ball.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-27721599

tantalus
07 Jun 14,, 12:40
And the injuries, thus far...

Y! SPORTS (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/marco-reus-added-to-the-depressingly-long-list-of-pre-world-cup-injuries-005454882.html)

I love watching Marco Reus, he can be very direct and exciting to watch. One always feels gutted for the players personally but losing some of the best players in the world to injury is also a huge loss to the spectator. Reus and Ribery come as particularly disappointing so close to the tournament.


He now joins a depressingly long list of marquee players who have suffered serious injuries in the lead-up to the World Cup, which was probably the inevitable result of two additional months of football tacked onto the already long and grueling club season. France's Franck Ribery and Russia captain Roman Shirokov were ruled out earlier in the day. Italy's Riccardo Montolivo, Colombia's Radamel Falcao, Spain's Thiago Alcantara, Holland's Kevin Strootman and Rafael van der Vaart, Germany's Ilkay Gundogan and Holger Badstuber, England's Theo Walcott and Kyle Walker, Costa Rica's Bryan Oviedo and Alvaro Saborio and Mexico's Luis Montes are just a few of the players who have been completely ruled of the World Cup due to injury.

Then there's the players who might still appear, but aren't fully fit. Like Portugal's Cristiano Ronaldo and Pepe, Uruguay's Luis Suarez, Germany's Manuel Neuer, Spain's Diego Costa and England's Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. And, frighteningly enough, there's still a few days left before the tournament begins.

Of course, no World Cup is immune to major injuries and absences, but the beauty of a tournament like this is that it transcends the involvement of any specific individuals. The absence or hobbled abilities of these players only means chances for new heroes to unexpectedly emerge in the most dramatic of moments.

tankie
07 Jun 14,, 13:16
Being an England supporter I watched the friendly against Ecuador and im of the opinion we are doomed to early exit , Friendlies of course are to judge the skills ( or not ) of the squad , well on that performance we were dire , could have scored 5 in the 1st 30 minutes but could not finish , Rooney who gets paid 300.000 pounds per week could only fumble a goal , 300.000 a WEEK , ffs its disgusting , and then on the pitch fails miserably to impress , Wiltshire in his usual role of mud swallowing was dire , Millner his usual dirty fouling self will get sent off leaving a moderate team with only 10 to play ,Stirling sent off FOR BEING ATTACKED leaves me in no doubt that the reffing is going to be suspect to say the least :mad:,, but , surely with the wages premier league players get we could pick better than this shower , however the fault lays in the FA who dictates to the mngr , his hands and other mngrs hands have been tied in the past and the future of English football will always be that way .IMO

And tonights friendly with Honduras is the last one before the kick off in earnest .

Bigfella
07 Jun 14,, 13:51
And the injuries, thus far...

Y! SPORTS (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/marco-reus-added-to-the-depressingly-long-list-of-pre-world-cup-injuries-005454882.html)

I love watching Marco Reus, he can be very direct and exciting to watch. One always feels gutted for the players personally but losing some of the best players in the world to injury is also a huge loss to the spectator. Reus and Ribery come as particularly disappointing so close to the tournament.

We've already had to leave two of our best players out due to injury. Not that we were going to do any good in that group, but it is depressing not to be able to give it our best shot.

Doktor
07 Jun 14,, 13:59
Tankie,

With EPL being so competitive and top English teams competing on so many fronts, fatigue bites and bites hard. Keep that in mind, too.

That said, the Spaniards have the same issues.

tankie
07 Jun 14,, 14:11
Tankie,

With EPL being so competitive and top English teams competing on so many fronts, fatigue bites and bites hard. Keep that in mind, too.

That said, the Spaniards have the same issues.

Fatigue , yea ok , sometimes they play twice a week , pampered prema's Dok , wonder how the supermen would handle a battlefield for months on end on a pittance of the wage they get now , one way to stop the dears getting tired , bless em , is to stop friendlies days before kick off , stops injuries as well ;)

Doktor
07 Jun 14,, 14:14
Fatigue , yea ok , sometimes they play twice a week , pampered prema's Dok , wonder how the supermen would handle a battlefield for months on end on a pittance of the wage they get now , one way to stop the dears getting tired , bless em , is to stop friendlies days before kick off , stops injuries as well ;)
:shrugs:

Sell the TV rights for the battlefield and ask for higher pays.

tankie
07 Jun 14,, 14:20
Ever seen the world at war ? , higher pay for military , jeez why has that never been thought of before :whome: but back on thread , Brazil will win another world cup methinks .

Doktor
07 Jun 14,, 14:41
Ever seen the world at war ? , higher pay for military , jeez why has that never been thought of before :whome: but back on thread , Brazil will win another world cup methinks .

Brazil is surely a top dog on own turf, but I hope a small European nation will finally make it - The Dutch if they don't mess up personal relations again is a force to recon. (Wishful thinking I know).

tankie
07 Jun 14,, 14:46
The clogg dancers have always been a force to be reckoned with m8 , as is the krauts , we the limy's will be also ran again methinks

Bigfella
07 Jun 14,, 15:37
Brazil is surely a top dog on own turf, but I hope a small European nation will finally make it - The Dutch if they don't mess up personal relations again is a force to recon. (Wishful thinking I know).

I have faith that once again my boys in orange will find a way to underachieve. Force of habit.:frown:

Doktor
07 Jun 14,, 18:22
I have faith that once again my boys in orange will find a way to underachieve. Force of habit.:frown:

Yep, they never disappoint, always the same thing.

Panzers are also one team to look after, last time they had young rooster, guess they matured by now all the while under the same coach.

Bigfella
08 Jun 14,, 02:38
Yep, they never disappoint, always the same thing.

Panzers are also one team to look after, last time they had young rooster, guess they matured by now all the while under the same coach.

I'm just hoping he co-ordinates his wardrobe with his deputy again. Most stylish coaching team in world football. :biggrin:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay63z0AjNoM

Interviews well too:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0fjapmFK20

tankie
08 Jun 14,, 11:21
England V Honduras last nights friendly was far from it , Honduras thought it was a war , England again failed to impress , the best part was when the game was stopped for 40 minutes due to a storm .Rooney is saying he's ready to lead , I f###ng hope not , once again he was dire .Sturridge had the best chances to score IMO .
So Mr Hodges , the balls in your court for selection , the fans who have paid thousands to follow the team are hopefully rewarded , GOOD LUCK ENGLAND but I dont think a 1966 is on the cards , but I / we can only hope it comes together on the day .

Doktor
08 Jun 14,, 19:03
Cameroon 'refuse to board flight to Brazil' - World Cup 2014 - Football - Eurosport Asia (http://asia.eurosport.com/football/world-cup/2014/cameroon-squad-refuse-to-board-flight-to-brazil-in-bonuses-row_sto4278429/story.shtml)

:slap:

sated buddha
12 Jun 14,, 21:38
it starts ! cheers to a great world cup !!!

MrSecond
12 Jun 14,, 23:45
Brazil is winning Croatia with referee's help. It's a shame.

Officer of Engineers
13 Jun 14,, 00:11
So what? It ain't hockey ... and there is Bobby Orr's Law. Put a Canadian in a thread and sooner or later, it's about hockey.

tantalus
13 Jun 14,, 00:36
So what? It ain't hockey ... and there is Bobby Orr's Law. Put a Canadian in a thread and sooner or later, it's about hockey.
hmmm, not this thread :grump:

Disappointing end to a good game with the ref's decision. Get the feeling he wouldn't have made the same mistake for Croatia.

Tricky thing with football, a game of few scores, is that the final result is disproportionately vulnerable to a referring error.

Not so sure with Brazil, hard work, power and intensity, but they lacked guile through the middle when Neymar didn't drop in there. Still, I hope they advance to the later stages and they are entertaining in their own right, their style is unorthodox for a top team, and different is usually refreshing.

Bigfella
13 Jun 14,, 02:29
Unfortunately I've only seen the highlights (will be the story of my World Cup), but 3-1 is a good win against one of the teams in that group who might have been expected to put up more of a fight. Given that Croatia didn't actually score a goal themselves perhaps their unimpressive 1-0 win against Australia in a friendly last week was accurate form. Brazil is on track to qualify first in their group. The fight between Croatia & Mexico for second will be interesting. This result boosts Mexico's chances of once again qualifying for the round of 16, where they will once again lose to one of Spain, Holland or Chile.

Holland & Australia kick off their campaigns tonight....well, at 5am tomorrow morning, in fact. :rolleyes:

HUP HOLLAND!!!!!

Doktor
13 Jun 14,, 06:50
Highlights won't show you the game. Croatia was on par till the ref showed the penalty. The "unbiased experts jury" here voted there was none and that the ref damaged the play.

Brazil could have won in my view without this gift, but the ball is round and Croatia was holding till that moment.

Spain - The Netherlands *cracking fingers*

Frankly, looking forward for Koreans and Mexicans games, too.

sated buddha
13 Jun 14,, 07:01
Its going to be a sleep deprived month.

Wasn't impressed by Brazil's play, nor this guy Neymar who my nephew has been waxing eloquent about. This is not the fluid Brazilian style of play which I have known and come to expect from them over the years. But in their favor, things are tough in their country currently, and opening game nerves on home soil is always a factor.

The referee impressed me. He's a guy my age and man can he run! :)

The crowd once again was a bit of a let down. Not really electric. Maybe things will hot up. Hope they do.

I agree that the Croats played a good game. There was a Klinsman-esque long ranger that could easily have been a goal. The scoreline does not reflect the real run of play.

Oracle
13 Jun 14,, 07:05
Spain - The Netherlands *cracking fingers*

Me too. :) My bet is on Netherlands.

Doktor
13 Jun 14,, 07:18
Me too. :) My bet is on Netherlands.

A hint: Never put your hard earned cash on Oranje. Tho, this early into the tourney it could be safe.

tankie
13 Jun 14,, 13:37
Neymar should have been sent off , no ifs or buts , red card OFF , the penalty decision was terrible the diver should have been sent off as well , bring on TV playback FFS it happens now in most "sports" , if the reffing , going by this 1st game is anything to go by , or the dirty play and getting away with it is going to be the norm , its gonna ruin the biggest sporting event the world sees every 4 years Croatia have a right to feel aggrieved especially when Neymar scored after not being sent off , a shambles , hard luck Croatia , Brazil get a grip , your better than this .

Doktor
13 Jun 14,, 14:19
Hope both teams will learn something from this outcome. Knowing the Croats hope they will unleash their stubbornness and win next 2 games and wont fall in self-pittance and look miserable/

Doktor
13 Jun 14,, 22:32
Meanwhile...

I enjoyed Mexico-Cameroon.

In the other news Dutch demolish Spain. Not bad for Friday 13th ;)

Bigfella
13 Jun 14,, 22:37
HOLLAND! HOLLAND! HOLLAND! HOLLAND! :biggrin:

How good is this Doc?

Update: 5-1, 5-1, 5-1, 5-1, 5-1, 5-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is INSANE

Doktor
13 Jun 14,, 22:41
HOLLAND! HOLLAND! HOLLAND! HOLLAND! :biggrin:

How good is this Doc?

Update: 5-1, 5-1, 5-1, 5-1, 5-1, 5-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is INSANE

I don't think anyone in the Low Lands dreamed a game like this.

Bigfella
13 Jun 14,, 22:46
I don't think anyone in the Low Lands dreamed a game like this.

No one did Doc. Just crazy stuff. Spain hasn't earned a goal all night. They are just a rabble now. Dutch are camped in their half & taking shots at will.

Bigfella
13 Jun 14,, 22:55
This is almost as big a shock as France getting rolled in the first round in 2002. Holland now on track to top the group & avoid Brazil in the second round. Spain will need to play better than this to beat Chile. If they don't, bye bye. If they do they still have to get past Brazil.

Glad I got up at 5am on a weekend to watch this. Australia vs Chile in 1 hour. I actually want Chile to win big. Australia have no chance anyway & a big Chilean win might give them a better chance to get past Spain for 2nd in this group.

Doktor
13 Jun 14,, 23:03
This is almost as big a shock as France getting rolled in the first round in 2002. Holland now on track to top the group & avoid Brazil in the second round. Spain will need to play better than this to beat Chile. If they don't, bye bye. If they do they still have to get past Brazil.

Glad I got up at 5am on a weekend to watch this. Australia vs Chile in 1 hour. I actually want Chile to win big. Australia have no chance anyway & a big Chilean win might give them a better chance to get past Spain for 2nd in this group.

This turns into a total mess for Spain right now.
Before the match I was listening Spain's coach that they will not tika-taka against The Netherlands, but would do against Chile and Australia. Not to mention the predictions how they are the team who will play in the finals. Way to start for champions. Still a lot to play and the teams' pscychos will have a lot of work to rebuild confidence.

Bigfella
13 Jun 14,, 23:09
This turns into a total mess for Spain right now.
Before the match I was listening Spain's coach that they will not tika-taka against The Netherlands, but would do against Chile and Australia. Not to mention the predictions how they are the team who will play in the finals. Way to start for champions. Still a lot to play and the teams' pscychos will have a lot of work to rebuild confidence.

The mental side will hurt. Spain hasn't had a loss like this since the 60s & their keeper just conceded as many major tournament goals in 1 game as he had in his entire career. I expect them to hammer us, but it may not matter by then. Spain-Chile will be a cracker. Chile don't defend & Spain won't be able to. Even if they get 1-0 up the result today means they won't be able to sit on a 1 goal lead like they used to. Shit just got real.

bigross86
13 Jun 14,, 23:57
Really wishing I put money on Holland to win..... Australia-Chile starts now, but it's 1:00 A.M. already, so I dunno how much I'll watch before I go to sleep.

Doktor
14 Jun 14,, 00:03
Really wishing I put money on Holland to win..... Australia-Chile starts now, but it's 1:00 A.M. already, so I dunno how much I'll watch before I go to sleep.

Don't feel bad. They only won because I didn't go out for a beer and/or put money on them ;)

Bigfella
14 Jun 14,, 00:12
Australia already 1-0 down after a positive start. We could get badly beaten up here.

Bigfella
14 Jun 14,, 00:13
2-0. We'll be lucky not to concede 5.

Bigfella
14 Jun 14,, 00:37
Australia pulls one back. Tim Cahill scores in 3 World Cups. A bit of pride restored.

Gun Grape
14 Jun 14,, 03:47
So what? It ain't hockey ... and there is Bobby Orr's Law. Put a Canadian in a thread and sooner or later, it's about hockey.
Not a Canadian, but

As you people ponder the round ball girly man sport, looks like the Kings will have the cup tonight.

Except for the goalie, how did the Rangers even get in the playoffs?

Oracle
14 Jun 14,, 07:18
Ha! Dok,

HOLLAND! HOLLAND! HOLLAND!

I didn't expect Spain to go down this way. What the hell happened to their defense? Btw, the bet was for beers, I don't gamble with money. :)

sated buddha
14 Jun 14,, 11:22
Can someone tell me if its cold in Brazil this time of the year, or are the broadcasters just not showing enough skin this time?

I am very impressed with Dutch baldie. What explosive speed man. Killer weapon.

Doktor
14 Jun 14,, 11:29
Can someone tell me if its cold in Brazil this time of the year, or are the broadcasters just not showing enough skin this time?
It was raining like crazy on Mexico's match.

In Salvador it was partly cloudy, guess better safe then sorry.

Weather during the match:
27° C Temperature;
12 m/s Wind;
87 % Humidity


I am very impressed with Dutch baldie. What explosive speed man. Killer weapon.
I take it you don't watch this game often.
Robben is not bald, he is aerodynamic :)

sated buddha
14 Jun 14,, 12:02
I take it you don't watch this game often.
Robben is not bald, he is aerodynamic :)

I watch football once every 4 years like clockwork man.

Rest of the time I watch the Queen's game. God save the Queen.

tankie
14 Jun 14,, 12:09
Mexico robbed of 2 goals by bad refereeing AGAIN , however , what just hit Spain whooooooooo , Robben once again showing his class , well done the cloggmen , however when Spain won the the cup last year they were beaten in their 1st game , not to be written off yet ,:pari:

sated buddha
14 Jun 14,, 12:11
The game was fast and flowing. The long passes and counterattacks incisive. I liked this game so much more than the slow dead Brazil one.

Polls from major Indian cities this time show a marked trend of Indians backing Europe over South America this time.

Doktor
14 Jun 14,, 12:16
Mexico robbed of 2 goals by bad refereeing AGAIN , however , what just hit Spain whooooooooo , Robben once again showing his class , well done the cloggmen , however when Spain won the the cup last year they were beaten in their 1st game , not to be written off yet ,:pari:

Bad refs are concentrated in Group A so far. Hope it will stop from now on.

Noone should write off Spain if they can get their acts together. If they win Chile, they are back on track like nothing happened. Only in the second phase guess who's waiting :)

sated buddha
14 Jun 14,, 12:22
Weather during the match:
27° C Temperature;
12 m/s Wind;
87 % Humidity

Sounds like LT experiencing an unusually cold winter.

Bigfella
14 Jun 14,, 12:40
Bad refs are concentrated in Group A so far. Hope it will stop from now on.


Did you see the penalty Spain got? Not great.

To be honest, I tend not to blame umpires for much. There are occasional bad ones, but mostly they do a decent job under the circumstances. They get one chance at ground level in real time & rarely from the same angle we get. Some of the decisions in the games I saw today were remarkable for their accuracy. Wouldn't back myself to get even close.


Noone should write off Spain if they can get their acts together. If they win Chile, they are back on track like nothing happened. Only in the second phase guess who's waiting :)

Well....not exactly. Unless Holland loses & loses big (or twice) Spain is unlikely to get first. That means meeting Brazil in the next round. I don't know when a Brazilian team last exited a World Cup in the 2nd round, but if it has ever happened it isn't very common. It seems even less likely at home. Spain aren't out of it yet, but they are in trouble. I suspect Spain Chile will be a cracker of a game because it will probably decide qualification.

Doktor
14 Jun 14,, 14:12
Did you see the penalty Spain got? Not great.

To be honest, I tend not to blame umpires for much. There are occasional bad ones, but mostly they do a decent job under the circumstances. They get one chance at ground level in real time & rarely from the same angle we get. Some of the decisions in the games I saw today were remarkable for their accuracy. Wouldn't back myself to get even close.
They are only humans, but they get 90% of the blame. Why FIFA gets a new, "improved" ball for every WC, but can't get a 2 minutes break for 2-3 situations per match? Something has to be changed, sportsman live for a gathering like this, some get only one in their careers and a wrong angle can be decisive.



Well....not exactly. Unless Holland loses & loses big (or twice) Spain is unlikely to get first. That means meeting Brazil in the next round. I don't know when a Brazilian team last exited a World Cup in the 2nd round, but if it has ever happened it isn't very common. It seems even less likely at home. Spain aren't out of it yet, but they are in trouble. I suspect Spain Chile will be a cracker of a game because it will probably decide qualification.
Can't see Oranje losing big time from Chile. Still anything can happen.
WRT Spain, most likely they will meet Brasil in the next phase. If Spaniards get their morale and psychology right, they can beat the Brasil who played against Croatia. Interesting options anyway.

Match of the day - ENG/ITA. Tankie is gonna be pissed one way or another :)

Some interesting stats:

England - Italy
Sunglasses: 0-13.
Long hair: 0-8
Suit from the 80'ies: 25-0
Ability to organize a photo-shoot: 1-0
Ability to look good in a photo-shoot: 0-19
Missing Mum already: 0-19

Doktor
14 Jun 14,, 16:08
Meanwhile in Berlin:

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tankie
14 Jun 14,, 18:10
I will of course be watching Dok , hoping we can make a better show of our warm up friendlies , eyeties aint no walk over tho .

tankie
14 Jun 14,, 19:52
Well played Columbia , 3 0 against the Greeks , a good game to watch .

Doktor
14 Jun 14,, 20:31
I will of course be watching Dok , hoping we can make a better show of our warm up friendlies , eyeties aint no walk over tho .

Buffon is injured. Raise some hopes mate.

bigross86
14 Jun 14,, 23:25
Dok, 2-3 minutes aren't even needed. Instant replay after every goal, red card or penalty. Either way, there is more than enough time until the game gets back on track for a fourth official to watch reviews, overturning calls if necessary. They successfully use instant replay in American football, baseball, cricket, rugby, tennis and other sports. Four years ago there was no way in the world they were going to change soccer, now they have started using goal-line technology, following the examples from the 2010 World Cup. I feel safe saying that by 2022 or 2026 there will be instant replay in soccer as well.

Doktor
15 Jun 14,, 00:39
Ben,

I had some of the hockey moments in my head.

Breathe tankie, breathe ;)

bigross86
15 Jun 14,, 08:52
Is anyone surprised we've yet to hear from tankie following England's performance against Italy?

Doktor
15 Jun 14,, 09:02
Is anyone surprised we've yet to hear from tankie following England's performance against Italy?

In all fairness, they didn't suck, just ran out of lack. Their left side in defense was not on par, hence the 2nd goal.

tankie
15 Jun 14,, 12:33
Just woke up Benny , right then what can one say , Hodgson's fault for playing guys in the wrong position , rooney was never in it ,his corner was diabolical , gerrard was non existent , blah blah , however Sturridge / liverpool scored :biggrin: both sides had great chances .

Italy soon realised the right side of our team and defence was shite and tore us apart , still it was a good game to watch unfold , well played the eyeties , next , u r gay , just hope liverpools suarez is off form , England has 6 L/pool players at the games , u r gay has one , but that one is devastatingly good when on form .

Doktor
15 Jun 14,, 15:45
Just woke up Benny , right then what can one say , Hodgson's fault for playing guys in the wrong position , rooney was never in it ,his corner was diabolical , gerrard was non existent , blah blah , however Sturridge / liverpool scored :biggrin: both sides had great chances .

Italy soon realised the right side of our team and defence was shite and tore us apart , still it was a good game to watch unfold , well played the eyeties , next , u r gay , just hope liverpools suarez is off form , England has 6 L/pool players at the games , u r gay has one , but that one is devastatingly good when on form .
Right side? I know you guys drive on what's left of the road, but calling it right... :biggrin:
Hodgson was bold and almost got it. That second goal for Italy was pure precision, 2mm left or right and it would have been another of their misses. Rooney missed and empty goal, btw. Luck was not your ally. At least England had a descent game, not a debacle.

As for Suarez, if he runs out... he will explode, mate. Hope your defense can contain him.

Bigfella
15 Jun 14,, 21:54
Honduras give away a penalty & a 1 man advantage all in one half. Not looking good for them.

Speaking of send offs, nice to see Uruguay return to traditional ways by getting the first red card of the World Cup. Look like the comic assessment I posted earlier was on the money:


THE INDEPENDENT REPUBLIC OF TEN-MAN URUGUAY

Disappointingly, Suárez's red card was a now isolated incident of wrong-doing. Uruguay used to be entertainingly, almost heroically, ill-disciplined in the age before red cards were commonplace (peaking in 1986, when, in consecutive group matches, they found themselves down to 10 men after, respectively, 19 minutes and slightly under one minute). As refereeing became stricter, and picking up red cards was no longer a challenge, so Uruguay increasingly, and regrettably, concentrated on the football.

MrSecond
16 Jun 14,, 00:07
I like this world cup. Till now only Greece made me feel indifferent.

Doktor
16 Jun 14,, 10:35
IMV, Bosniaks had descent debut. If we ignore that unlucky own goal, their performance was quite well.

Argentina needed almost 80 minutes to find that one move for Messi to score. I am only sorry the BH coach didn't have guts to make the changes earlier and put more pressure on the Argies.

In the other games the master Chief's appearance awed the Japanese so much they didn't pay attention for 5 minutes and lost the game.
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A special edition for BF:
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And another gem from around the social media:
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Bigfella
16 Jun 14,, 11:37
Doc,

If you keep putting up pictures of our execrable PM I may be forced to put you on ignore. Sport is a refuge from the likes of him. Don't go spoiling it now. :biggrin:

Ivory coast looked like a totally different team with Drogba on the pitch - hard to believe it was the same people. Bosnia looked OK against such a highly rated team. France looked strong. Didn't see the Swiss.

Of course, first game form is a patchy thing. Hard to know which team is good & which bad. I'm looking forward to the next week as we sort out the wheat from the chaff.

Portugal Germany is a mouth watering prospect tonight, while Iran-Nigeria & US-Ghana will give us an idea where some of the lesser nations rank. I saw Nigeria play Ethiopia to qualify. They looked OK, but no more than. The US is surprisingly highly ranked so it will be interesting to see how they go against one of the better African teams.

Doktor
16 Jun 14,, 12:02
Doc,

If you keep putting up pictures of our execrable PM I may be forced to put you on ignore. Sport is a refuge from the likes of him. Don't go spoiling it now. :biggrin:
If he keeps being silly, I will try to contain myself.


Ivory coast looked like a totally different team with Drogba on the pitch - hard to believe it was the same people.
Drogba put a spell on Japanese, I swear, he did.


Bosnia looked OK against such a highly rated team.
Argies were cautious. After they scored the second and opened up a bit, that score reminded them why they have to be cautious. Noone wants a shocker in the first game.


France looked strong.
Against 10 men ;)


Didn't see the Swiss.
I missed the game, too. There were some political commentaries about the origin of the scorers for the Swiss. Still wonder why they are ranked as #6 on FIFA list.


Of course, first game form is a patchy thing. Hard to know which team is good & which bad. I'm looking forward to the next week as we sort out the wheat from the chaff.
So far the opening was nice, an average of 3+ goals per match promises interesting Cup. The more we progress in the group stage there will be more calculations and more sides with nothing to lose (but their pride).


Portugal Germany is a mouth watering prospect tonight, while Iran-Nigeria & US-Ghana will give us an idea where some of the lesser nations rank. I saw Nigeria play Ethiopia to qualify. They looked OK, but no more than. The US is surprisingly highly ranked so it will be interesting to see how they go against one of the better African teams.

So far Ghana was subscribed on 2-1 against USA. :biggrin: Hope the US team can make a sensation.

Iran - Nigeria caan be a dull match or a joy to watch, depending on how many calculations respective coaches will make.

Germany - Portugal is indeed the game I am looking for. Guess the Germans will rule this one once they close PT's midfield.

Bigfella
16 Jun 14,, 12:29
If he keeps being silly, I will try to contain myself.


If you post every time the man says something silly you'll have to give up your day job. ;)


Drogba put a spell on Japanese, I swear, he did.

Best explanation I've heard so far.


Argies were cautious. After they scored the second and opened up a bit, that score reminded them why they have to be cautious. Noone wants a shocker in the first game.


Dodgy defence, stellar attack. Messi is good enough to carry them if they give him a bit of support. Both the ;local' teams - Argentina & Brazil- had nervy starts against very professional Balkan teams. Curious to see if they relax a bit now.


Against 10 men ;)

Sure, and not 10 great ones. Still, France have an easy group.


I missed the game, too. There were some political commentaries about the origin of the scorers for the Swiss. Still wonder why they are ranked as #6 on FIFA list.

It is amusing that a nation that seems to be turning so decisively against 'foreigners' packs its football team full of them. Apparently this Swiss team is exciting & attacking, unlike previous teams. As for FIFA rankings, up there with transubstantion, black holes & MH370 among the great mysteries of the world.


So far the opening was nice, an average of 3+ goals per match promises interesting Cup. The more we progress in the group stage there will be more calculations and more sides with nothing to lose (but their pride).


Group stage is always fun, but this one seems more fun than most. Perhaps the teams have gotten into the local spirit. So far no one trying to grind out dull 1-0 wins & lots of attacking. Even Italy & Greece were attacking. :eek: It won't last, but it seems more fun than a few other WCs I've seen at a similar stage.


Iran - Nigeria can be a dull match or a joy to watch, depending on how many calculations respective coaches will make.

Both teams are capable of entertaining football. lets hope they do.



Germany - Portugal is indeed the game I am looking for. Guess the Germans will rule this one once they close PT's midfield.

Hope you are right. Don't like this Portugese generation. Combination of overrated pretty boys & entitled thugs. Talented, but unlovable. Like to see Germany flatten them.

dave lukins
16 Jun 14,, 13:43
I was not amused at the Argentinian match yesterday where they allowed ''Maldivas son Argentina'' banners above the players entrance or when members of the Argentina team held a banner stating 'Las Malvinas son Argentinas'. The FIFA has opened disciplinary proceedings against the Argentinian Football Association.

Doktor
16 Jun 14,, 13:47
I was not amused at the Argentinian match yesterday where they allowed ''Maldivas son Argentina'' banners above the players entrance or when members of the Argentina team held a banner stating 'Las Malvinas son Argentinas'. The FIFA has opened disciplinary proceedings against the Argentinian Football Association.

Yesterday? I must have missed it. If it happened after it also happened last week's friendly against Slovenia (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/14/argentina-fifa-malvinas-banner-slovenia), then it is a huge mistake both by Argies and by the organizers.

Got in your tank already? :biggrin:

Bigfella
16 Jun 14,, 13:47
I was not amused at the Argentinian match yesterday where they allowed ''Maldivas son Argentina'' banners above the players entrance or when members of the Argentina team held a banner stating 'Las Malvinas son Argentinas'. The FIFA has opened disciplinary proceedings against the Argentinian Football Association.

Its as close as they will ever get to actually owning them Dave. Hopefully FIFA smack them. Don't want to open the floodgates to politicizing the WC. No end to it.

tankie
16 Jun 14,, 13:50
Its the best they can do , fly flags ,,usually fkin WHITE ONES :tank:

Oracle
16 Jun 14,, 18:42
Germany:Portugal :: 2:0

What the hell is wrong with Portugal's defenders? They were down 1:0 because of a foul and now Pepe.

bigross86
16 Jun 14,, 18:58
3:0 Germany. I think this proves more than ever that Ronaldo is an overpriced, overestimated twat

Doktor
16 Jun 14,, 22:04
3:0 Germany. I think this proves more than ever that Ronaldo is an overpriced, overestimated twat

4:0. Mueller scored a hat trick, I believe 3rd German on WCs.

Bigfella
16 Jun 14,, 22:27
To quote myself:


Don't like this Portugese generation. Combination of overrated pretty boys & entitled thugs. Talented, but unlovable. Like to see Germany flatten them.

Correct on all counts. Germany looking classy.

Watching an entertaining if low scoring Iran-Nigeria game. Both sides attacking but no goals. Fine spirit too. If games have to be 0-0 then this is the way to do it.

bigross86
16 Jun 14,, 22:33
I actually find it interesting that Portugal played better with 10 players than with a full side

Doktor
17 Jun 14,, 00:33
I actually find it interesting that Portugal played better with 10 players than with a full side

Yugoslavia (or was it Serbia and Montenegro) on Euro 2004 I think played few games with 10 men. They played way better with less men. The rationale at the time was, players are selfish and there was more concentration.

But let's forget about Portugal. What an opening by US Team!

Bigfella
17 Jun 14,, 09:46
US v Ghana a very exciting game. Awesome WC so far. Even the draw today was good. Can't wait for tomorrow.

tantalus
17 Jun 14,, 16:21
Australia pulls one back. Tim Cahill scores in 3 World Cups. A bit of pride restored.
Fair play to Australia against Chile, showed a lot of courage after the first 20 ms and tried to play positively. Was impressed with your no. 7, Leckie, direct and impressive. Chile failed to adapt to the game tactically but I think they will be better suited as counter-attacking underdogs against Spain and Netherlands. Tim Cahill is one of the best headers of the ball in this footballing era, never seizes to amaze me how many he scored for Everton in the English Premier for his height.

Spain-Chile is looking like the biggest game of Round 2 imo, cant wait. If Spain win, the margin of victory could be key. Every goal could count.

It has been a tremendous start to the WC, most sides have tried to attack, with very few defensive performances, and teams are really trying to win in the last 20 minutes if its level.

tantalus
17 Jun 14,, 16:24
I actually find it interesting that Portugal played better with 10 players than with a full side
Sometimes the explanation can rest with a drop in intensity from the team with 11 when they feel the game is over. Credit to Portugal that they didn't pack it in the 2nd half, and when you are are technically competent team, you can retain possession when the other team's intensity drops, allowing you to manage the situation with greater ease, like Spain though, goal difference could really hurt them later in the tournament.

If they were rewarded that cast iron peno at 3-0, they may have finished the game at 3-1, that could have made a difference later in the tournament if they finished level on points with US or Ghana.

tankie
18 Jun 14,, 11:21
Well played Mexico , the Brazilians were made to look dire , their defense is a shambles , im changing my mind after that performance to either Germany / Italy / or England :whome: to win .

Doktor
18 Jun 14,, 12:13
Brazil will proceed and maybe even win. Italy at it's worst had better play.

Doktor
18 Jun 14,, 13:59
37182

My friends in Croatia are very very worried.

tankie
18 Jun 14,, 14:53
Brazil will proceed and maybe even win. Italy at it's worst had better play.

Not the way they played against Mexico they wont , love the cartoon tho as my MOTM was the Mex keeper .

Doktor
18 Jun 14,, 15:33
Make no mistake mate, they train hard for every occasion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nZhpekt8hk

Bigfella
18 Jun 14,, 18:23
What a bizarre start. Robben scores for Holland, Cahill for Australia. Australia has actually looked better, but Holland is WAY more dangerous.

bigross86
18 Jun 14,, 19:06
I actually would say that Australia have been playing better than Holland, at least in the first half. Let's see what the second half brings about

bigross86
18 Jun 14,, 19:13
That handball was a bum call. The ball was clearly kicked onto his hand, his hand was even behind his back when the ball hit it. At least this time I can understand why the ref made the call, but it was still a bullshit call, horrible reffing that would have been avoided with instant replay.

Bigfella
18 Jun 14,, 19:26
It is the sort of thing that gets called if it is seen. Unfortunate but very much part of the game. if it had gone against Australia I'd accept it.

In the meantime Australia misses a red hot chance & then concedes a goal in the space of a minute. Holland 3-2

Bigfella
18 Jun 14,, 19:58
Australia did themselves proud against Holland. Could very easily have won that game. Blew too many chances & too loose at the back. I'm not sad that Holland won, but I am sad that Australia got stuck in such an insanely good group. In another group we could have qualified for the next round. A lot of young Australian players have gained both confidence & experience from this. Hopefully Holland will tighten their defence for future games & go on to win the WC.

Doktor
18 Jun 14,, 19:58
Geez, my nerves.

Well played Roos.

Albany Rifles
18 Jun 14,, 20:13
Yup...about sums it up....


http://youtu.be/ZfKTz9iqbms

Doktor
18 Jun 14,, 20:18
I know AR's gonna love this. Heck, I did.

37184

Albany Rifles
18 Jun 14,, 20:41
Yup!

Double Edge
18 Jun 14,, 20:47
Australia did themselves proud against Holland. Could very easily have won that game. Blew too many chances & too loose at the back. I'm not sad that Holland won, but I am sad that Australia got stuck in such an insanely good group. In another group we could have qualified for the next round. A lot of young Australian players have gained both confidence & experience from this. Hopefully Holland will tighten their defence for future games & go on to win the WC.
Now they play for pride, will go all in against Spain.

Pity Cahill won't be there, his goal is a good contender for goal of the tournament.

Double Edge
18 Jun 14,, 21:18
That handball was a bum call. The ball was clearly kicked onto his hand, his hand was even behind his back when the ball hit it. At least this time I can understand why the ref made the call
Agree, and we'd have seen a mirror score as with Chile.

Is Chile in the same league as the netherlands ? if they get a more than 3 goal advantage over spain right now then i might be inclined to think that.

Oh dear Chile just slipped one in :biggrin:


but it was still a bullshit call, horrible reffing that would have been avoided with instant replay.
we went over this at the last world cup. interrupts flow.

Difficult to understand if you watch american sports that are more commercial friendly ie interruptible.

where to draw the line ? there will be never ending protests from either team for a huddle. so you say let someone off the field call it then. So then who has authority over the game, the ref on the field or the one off it.

Yeah, there have been some bum calls, but how do they compare with the good ones ?

bigross86
18 Jun 14,, 23:05
And I've laid out my plan: Immediate instant replay on all goals, penalties and red cards. Either way, there isn't any gameplay on the field, as players are either celebrating or arguing with the ref, which gives the 4th official time to review the replays.

With regards to who has authority, do it like they do in baseball: Calling on the field stands unless there is clear and obvious proof that is good enough to overturn the call on the field.

Doktor
18 Jun 14,, 23:21
Spain goes home. Wohooooooooo...

Double Edge
18 Jun 14,, 23:37
What about lesser fouls where a team gets awarded a free kick or a player given a yellow card.

What is the time limit allowed in baseball to overrule a call on the field ?

Whether to call a penalty is iffy at times. There was an Uzbek ref in a previous game and he managed it quite well, players were protesting for penalties and he just waved them off and let the game go on. No more protest, the ball is moving and over to the other side in short order.

The real issue is making a compelling case to change the way things are. Compared to the good calls the people who decide the rules are as yet unconvinced.

Double Edge
18 Jun 14,, 23:38
Spain goes home. Wohooooooooo...

All the yalla's of the world will celebrate the demise of this boring tiki taka nonsense :biggrin:

How do you challenge a team who does this, just use brute force and attack them. Took the world six years to figure that out.

Bigfella
19 Jun 14,, 02:36
Now they play for pride, will go all in against Spain.

Pity Cahill won't be there, his goal is a good contender for goal of the tournament.

Yep. Absolutely awesome goal. Hopefully it will win Timmy a place in official highlight films & therefore a spot in history. He deserves it.

Great pity he won't be playing against Spain. If he was there I'd give us half a chance. We do the brute strength thing rather well. I've never liked Spain & I have several Chilean co-workers & friends so I am super pleased that my first team (Holland) and Chile are through. Even better, Holland will probably dodge Brazil & get either Mexico or Croatia.

Double Edge
19 Jun 14,, 04:11
Was a bit ambivalent about this world cup but the results so far changed my mind pretty quick. The group stages are the most interesting bit, becomes all cautious and defensive in the knock out rounds.

Its' safe to say these (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/140611/football-spain-win-world-cup-study-shows) guys got it wrong.


Defending champions Spain look set to win the World Cup thanks to the interlocking qualities of their squad, which will allow them to outgun Brazil, statisticians said Wednesday.

CIES report (http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/pdf/wcs2014_en.pdf)

Oracle
19 Jun 14,, 05:42
Holland:Australia, what a match. Never knew Aussies were that good playing ball without a bat. Brazil won't make it to the semis.

Spain knocked out. They never looked ready. :pari:

Bigfella
19 Jun 14,, 06:30
Holland:Australia, what a match. Never knew Aussies were that good playing ball without a bat. Brazil won't make it to the semis.


You have to learn to stop underestimating us. ;)

Hard to say with Brazil. They certainly seem to lack a spark, but it is early days.


Spain knocked out. They never looked ready. :pari:

Looked just awful. Only a handful of decent shots on goal & their only goal from a dodgy penalty. Quite the fall from grace.

Oracle
19 Jun 14,, 07:14
You have to learn to stop underestimating us. ;)

Hard to say with Brazil. They certainly seem to lack a spark, but it is early days.

Haha! Never meant it that way. I have not followed Australian football as closely as Australian cricket. But, boy, weren't they so good yesterday. The 1st half belonged to you guys, and to a matter of time even the second half. Hard luck I guess. But this team can progress to the next WC finals if they train harder and maintain the professionalism they displayed.

Brazil raises it's bar of the game depending upon the opponent it plays, that is true. Somehow I just am not confident of Brazil this time.


Looked just awful. Only a handful of decent shots on goal & their only goal from a dodgy penalty. Quite the fall from grace.

Spain needed to get to the quarters, at the very least, to send a sense of optimism in the recession hit country.

Bigfella
19 Jun 14,, 07:26
Haha! Never meant it that way. I have not followed Australian football as closely as Australian cricket. But, boy, weren't they so good yesterday. The 1st half belonged to you guys, and to a matter of time even the second half. Hard luck I guess. But this team can progress to the next WC finals if they train harder and maintain the professionalism they displayed.


Our teams always fight hard. Even at the last WC we came back from a 4-0 smashing by Germany to draw with Ghana & beat Serbia. it is remarkable given that soccer/football is really not a big sport here at professional level. Aussie Rules & the Rugby codes eat into its market to the point where the domestic A league is actually held during the summer now. There are a lot of young players in this side. If the current coach is given the job until the next WC he will develop them into a good side. The Asian Cup is being hosted here next year. We will probably go in favourites with the likes of Japan & Korea.



Brazil raises it's bar of the game depending upon the opponent it plays, that is true. Somehow I just am not confident of Brazil this time.


They look flat, but things can change. The 2nd round will be fascinating as they will hit either Holland or Chile.


Spain needed to get to the quarters, at the very least, to send a sense of optimism in the recession hit country.

They also needed to turn their side over a bit. Only 4 players in the side that played Holland who weren't in the last WC final. Great dynasties roll on by slowly bringing in new players. Either the next rank in Spain aren't good enough or the coaches lacked courage. heavy price to pay.

Oracle
19 Jun 14,, 08:31
Our teams always fight hard. Even at the last WC we came back from a 4-0 smashing by Germany to draw with Ghana & beat Serbia. it is remarkable given that soccer/football is really not a big sport here at professional level. Aussie Rules & the Rugby codes eat into its market to the point where the domestic A league is actually held during the summer now. There are a lot of young players in this side. If the current coach is given the job until the next WC he will develop them into a good side. The Asian Cup is being hosted here next year. We will probably go in favourites with the likes of Japan & Korea.

Agreed.


They look flat, but things can change. The 2nd round will be fascinating as they will hit either Holland or Chile.

Agreed.


They also needed to turn their side over a bit. Only 4 players in the side that played Holland who weren't in the last WC final. Great dynasties roll on by slowly bringing in new players. Either the next rank in Spain aren't good enough or the coaches lacked courage. heavy price to pay.

Agreed. Time will tell.

Doktor
19 Jun 14,, 08:35
Underestimating Roos?

These Dutches got it easy. In 2006's (IIRC) 1/8 finals, a ref had to come to the rescue of the Italians in the stoppage time, gifting them a penalty.

Bigfella
19 Jun 14,, 09:20
Underestimating Roos?

These Dutches got it easy. In 2006's (IIRC) 1/8 finals, a ref had to come to the rescue of the Italians in the stoppage time, gifting them a penalty.

We had a better team then, but yes, the Italians cheated a win....again. I am pleased to say I already hated them, so when everybody ran around screaming about it I just said 'welcome on board'. Holland probably had every reason to be over confident today. Almost cost them.

Doktor
19 Jun 14,, 09:38
It's easy to hate Italians. If they can they will run out in Armani suits with sunglasses and will "play" the boring Catanaccio. Thankfully to my Italian friends, Spaniards came out and invented an even more boring system :biggrin:

Group A, just got messy yesterday. Can Cameroon beat Brazil?

tankie
19 Jun 14,, 12:45
The new King of Spain is sworn in , just in time to greet his returning footy team heheh ,


tonights England v Uruguay will on the face of it be a good tough game , however the ref has a a rep for hating brits ( not surprised , he's Spanish, never got over the armada being sunk ), uses cards at every opportunity and likes to send people off , i hope he plays fair tonight .

tantalus
19 Jun 14,, 13:24
but I am sad that Australia got stuck in such an insanely good group. In another group we could have qualified for the next round.
Reckon the Spanish are thinking the same thing.

To my disgust, I missed the Dutch-aussie game. Saw Cahill's goal though, top class. Anyone have an opinion on dutch chances after their performance.

Credit to Chile , they played well, and punished Spain at key moments. Nice coincidence that the two teams that came closest to beating Spain in the last wc do the business this time round. Spain have been great servants to the sport for 8 years now, played the game with a positive style of football and rarely could you accuse them of much antics on the field, but I am glad we will have new champions.

Doktor
19 Jun 14,, 13:30
Reckon the Spanish are thinking the same thing.
It's time for Aussies to take their scalp, too and the feeling to be complete.


To my disgust, I missed the Dutch-aussie game. Saw Cahill's goal though, top class.
It was so vivid game, one of the best around. Chile-Spain comes close, too.


Anyone have an opinion on dutch chances after their performance.
Dutch, if set in the right mood, is a team that can beat anyone.


Credit to Chile , they played well, and punished Spain at key moments. Nice coincidence that the two teams that came closest to beating Spain in the last wc do the business this time round. Spain have been great servants to the sport for 8 years now, played the game with a positive style of football and rarely could you accuse them of much antics on the field, but I am glad we will have new champions.
This "we must have the ball 80% of the time" got very annoying. Hope Barca and Spain will come up with something better, with more shots on the goal ;)

Double Edge
19 Jun 14,, 14:39
Either the next rank in Spain aren't good enough or the coaches lacked courage. heavy price to pay.
Who would dare to mess with a winning formula that won them three major tournaments. It had to go this way in a very public manner.

Oracle
19 Jun 14,, 14:42
Drogba! Drogba! Drogba! :biggrin:

tantalus
19 Jun 14,, 15:59
This "we must have the ball 80% of the time" got very annoying. Hope Barca and Spain will come up with something better, with more shots on the goal ;)
I know a lot of people feel this way. Spain have been so good at controlling games that it usually makes for one sided matches low in chances and goals. That said, Spain can be like an art piece that you don't like but appreciate for the amount of skill involved. The technical ability they illustrate to retain possession at close quarters deserves admiration.

Doktor
19 Jun 14,, 16:11
I know a lot of people feel this way. Spain have been so good at controlling games that it usually makes for one sided matches low in chances and goals. That said, Spain can be like an art piece that you don't like but appreciate for the amount of skill involved. The technical ability they illustrate to retain possession at close quarters deserves admiration.
If we compare it to art, it's like going to Renaissance exhibition and finding technical drawings of the first steam engine. It's nice, but not what you wanted to see.

Double Edge
19 Jun 14,, 17:34
I know a lot of people feel this way. Spain have been so good at controlling games that it usually makes for one sided matches low in chances and goals. That said, Spain can be like an art piece that you don't like but appreciate for the amount of skill involved. The technical ability they illustrate to retain possession at close quarters deserves admiration.
So what happened to Spain this time. Where were all those 'interlocking qualities' :biggrin:

It's like they did not have a plan B. Plan A was so terrifyingly successful.

Oracle
19 Jun 14,, 18:16
So what happened to Spain this time. Where were all those 'interlocking qualities' :biggrin:

It's like they did not have a plan B. Plan A was so terrifyingly successful.

You are rude and mean. :biggrin:

Double Edge
19 Jun 14,, 20:32
For any confused World Cup 'fans' (aka Canadians)

http://i.imgur.com/1Uytnbs.jpg

Bigfella
19 Jun 14,, 22:56
Uruguay beat england 2-0. To be more precise Suarez 2 Rooney 1. Makes this group fascinating now. Bad for england.

Doktor
19 Jun 14,, 23:02
The Queen's gonna abdicate there, too?

tantalus
20 Jun 14,, 00:14
So what happened to Spain this time. Where were all those 'interlocking qualities' :biggrin:

It's like they did not have a plan B. Plan A was so terrifyingly successful.
They didnt play with enough intensity, with and without the ball. They didn't work hard enough. The margins are so fine in this sport though.

That said, their strategy did work disproportionately well over the years and part of the success of the strategy is the inflexibility of it. Players of a certain profile, suited/specialized to Plan A only, constantly training with only Plan A to be the best at Plan A, always sticking with Plan A with the belief that it offers the statistically best chance of winning in an uncertain sport right to the end of every match. It' important to remember Plan B doesn't necessarily work either.

Bigfella
20 Jun 14,, 00:20
It's easy to hate Italians. If they can they will run out in Armani suits with sunglasses and will "play" the boring Catanaccio. Thankfully to my Italian friends, Spaniards came out and invented an even more boring system :biggrin:

If I had to choose between the two I have oceans more respect for Spain. Much as I dislike their boring possession game, it is at least built on insane amounts of skill on the ball. Italy's is based on dragging the game down to the lowest possible level with some combination of hacking, diving & cheating. Hoping Italy go home asap.

tantalus
20 Jun 14,, 00:23
Felt sorry for the English. It was a very entertaining game for the neutral. You can break the game down for an explanation for the minute bit of analysis that explains it all, but I thought it was very even, could have gone either way, but Uruguay had Suarez, and that one world class player can make the difference in these situations, and that was the difference.

Loved the way he slowed down that fraction, got himself completely right, think nerves, think fatigue, think technical proficiency, and unleashes that strike. Sickening blow for the English, and people said Suarez couldn't be fit. Nobody on WAB mind. Mind you I did say before the match that he couldn't be :whome:

Double Edge
20 Jun 14,, 00:30
They didnt play with enough intensity, with and without the ball. They didn't work hard enough. The margins are so fine in this sport though.

That said, their strategy did work disproportionately well over the years and part of the success of the strategy is the inflexibility of it. Players of a certain profile, suited/specialized to Plan A only, constantly training with only Plan A to be the best at Plan A, always sticking with Plan A with the belief that it offers the statistically best chance of winning in an uncertain sport right to the end of every match. It' important to remember Plan B doesn't necessarily work either.
I still don't understand how they went out with such a whimper, other reigning champions have failed to qualify, see France in 2002, and Italy in 2010. Up to two years go Spain were the team to beat.

It would seem since then that something happened. Did they lose their will, after winning everything else with nothing more to aim for. It would be crazy to even think they could not get through the group stages.

No team has managed a back to back world cup win since Brazil did it in '58 & '62. France almost did it in '06 and ended up runners up.

Bigfella
20 Jun 14,, 00:32
Felt sorry for the English.

Don't. England are the great underachievers of world football. All tip & no iceberg. They consistently overrate their players (Beckham, Rooney) & fold under pressure. A prosperous nation of that size with football as the national sport really should have a better record. No pity from me. If there is any upside this year the team looks young & some of those guys may be able to contribute in 2018. If you want a stat to chew on, Wayne Rooney has 1 goal from 10 WC games playing for a football-mad nation with perhaps the best football league in the world, Tim Cahill has 5 from 7 playing for a nation where his sport would struggle to be top 5 in the public consciousness.

Bigfella
20 Jun 14,, 00:37
No team has managed a back to back world cup win since Brazil did it in '58 & '62. France almost did it in '06 and ended up runners up.

France won in '98 & got tipped out in the first round in '02. Argentina made the 1990 final, though they didn't deserve to. It tells you how tough it is to maintain talent over time at the highest level. Players of the required skill are hard to find & hard to replace. Even then, the best team isn't guaranteed the win.

Bigfella
20 Jun 14,, 00:38
Greek captain sent off. Japan needs to grab its chance.

tantalus
20 Jun 14,, 00:45
I still don't understand how they went out with such a whimper, other reigning champions have failed to qualify, see France in 2002, and Italy in 2010. Up to two years go Spain were the team to beat.

It would seem since then that something happened. Did they lose their will, after winning everything else with nothing more to aim for. It would be crazy to even think they could not get through the group stages.

No team has managed a back to back world cup win since Brazil did it in '58 & '62. France almost did it in '06 and ended up runners up.
Good opposition is the key explanation, coupled with the fact soccer depends on a few key moments in a game, a small sample size is 180 minutes.

That said, their strategy requires them to rarely give up possession, if you do, you are left exposed with many players ahead of the ball. You go out with the strategy that you rarely lose it in the middle, your full backs in wing positions, your midfielders floating, if you lose it regularly, you are exposed to counter-attacks. Munich got wiped by Madrid because they played a high risk game, but its not supposed t be risky because you back yourself to never lose it. Then, when you are a little below par against good counter-attacking teams, you find yourself in big trouble.

If I am correct in what I am saying, I still haven't answered your question, because there is an explanation required to explain why they lacked that intensity and high percentage ball retention. I realize that. Though, the dutch and chileans targeted that weakness in the system by pressing in key moments, and they possessed pace and quality...

Firestorm
20 Jun 14,, 00:46
I still don't understand how they went out with such a whimper, other reigning champions have failed to qualify, see France in 2002, and Italy in 2010. Up to two years go Spain were the team to beat.

It would seem since then that something happened. Did they lose their will, after winning everything else with nothing more to aim for. It would be crazy to even think they could not get through the group stages.


They got older and less fit, their opponents got wiser and their stars lost their form, but they stuck with pretty much the same team anyway. They didn't even replace Casillas after that atrocious first game. They deserved to lose. Hope they lose their last match as well.

tantalus
20 Jun 14,, 00:51
They got older and less fit, their opponents got wiser and their stars lost their form, but they stuck with pretty much the same team anyway. They didn't even replace Casillas after that atrocious first game. They deserved to lose. Hope they lose their last match as well.
and his poor form continued with Chile's second goal, punched a poor free into the danger zone, very costly.

Double Edge
20 Jun 14,, 01:53
Greek captain sent off. Japan needs to grab its chance.
Wow, Japan fails to score having a full half with one man down from the other side. Well played Greece.

tankie
20 Jun 14,, 11:48
England beaten by Liverpool , :biggrin: we have a team of over paid over hyped prima donas and a mngr without a clue , rooney ( shrek) back in pos scores , yay no shit sherlock ,look hodgson ,WHERE HE SHOULD BE , gerrard f#cks up , suarez who he plays with every week so they know how dangerous he is steps in , bang thank you very much , our defence is a joke in fact the whole team is miss managed , a pundit tried to gloss it up saying how unlucky we were , B/S we were outplayed ,end of , and apparently we can still qualify he said :slap:

Doktor
20 Jun 14,, 15:51
Sorry for the lads tankie. With a better coach and some luck you'd get further.

Swiss-French is what I look for today.

tankie
20 Jun 14,, 16:06
Sorry for the lads tankie. With a better coach and some luck you'd get further.

Swiss-French is what I look for today.

Cheers dok , not luck , better coach n skill , well tonights game of course im waving the eyeties on forra win , if they do we then have to beat costa by 3 clear goals to go through , cant see it but one can hope eh .

Double Edge
20 Jun 14,, 16:45
Cheers dok , not luck , better coach n skill , well tonights game of course im waving the eyeties on forra win , if they do we then have to beat costa by 3 clear goals to go through , cant see it but one can hope eh .
I don' know i thought england looked good against Italy, but for some reason that same pace or luck just wasn't there with Uruguay which was a very even game otherwise.


Swiss-French is what I look for today.
Italy vs costa rica will be better.

costs rica beat uruguay by a larger margin than italy beat england.

Oracle
20 Jun 14,, 16:58
/\/\/\ Whoever among Italy:Costarica wins goes to the pre-quartes, but the other team still have another shot. That would make today's match very interesting.

Doktor
20 Jun 14,, 17:24
/\/\/\ Whoever among Italy:Costarica wins goes to the pre-quartes, but the other team still have another shot. That would make today's match very interesting.

Italy, interesting? Watch the calculations unfolding in front of your eyes.

Bigfella
20 Jun 14,, 22:26
France just put a fourth past what is supposed to be a decent Swiss team. Ouch !!!!!

Make that 5....and they are keen to score more. France look scary.

Doktor
20 Jun 14,, 23:10
I know how to pick a match :biggrin:

Double Edge
20 Jun 14,, 23:25
France is in a pushover group. They've not been *really* tested yet :tongue:

Bigfella
21 Jun 14,, 00:38
France is in a pushover group. They've not been *really* tested yet :tongue:

Swiss were good in qualifying & should have put up a fight, but yes, not the hardest group. Still, you can cruise or you can power ahead. France could have sat on 3-0 at half time, but they went big and were trying to score literally to the final siren. Could be a player this year.

Now, all I need is Uruguay to defeat Italy & I get my 2 'hate' teams on the plane in the first round.

Meanwhile....Honduras & Ecuador exchanging goals. Damned fine World Cup.

Oracle
21 Jun 14,, 06:22
Italy, interesting? Watch the calculations unfolding in front of your eyes.

Costarica won. That was a good match Dok. :biggrin: France was overwhelming, Switzerland - well they lost.

Double Edge
21 Jun 14,, 07:05
Anyone have an opinion on dutch chances after their performance.
They start well. if things go pear shaped they crumble into an emotional & acrimonious mess. Commit fouls and get players sent off.

The teams that don't impress much but go the distance end up winning. Remains to be seen how well the Dutch pace themselves.

tankie
21 Jun 14,, 11:48
Italy having qualified looked like they didnt want to play ,very lack luster , made sure England went out , :whome: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,w ell done costa .

Bigfella
21 Jun 14,, 12:00
Italy having qualified looked like they didnt want to play ,very lack luster , made sure England went out , :whome: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,w ell done costa .

Italy can still go out Tankie. If Uruguay beat them they are cooked. England losing to Suarez may have a silver lining. GO URUGUAY!!! :biggrin:

tankie
21 Jun 14,, 12:04
Italy can still go out Tankie. If Uruguay beat them they are cooked. England losing to Suarez may have a silver lining. GO URUGUAY!!! :biggrin:

Reallyyyyyyyyyy i thought they had qualed ,oops , of course , costa beat yoory as well :slap: c,monnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Uruguay n liverpool .:biggrin:

Bigfella
21 Jun 14,, 12:15
Reallyyyyyyyyyy i thought they had qualed ,oops , of course , costa beat yoory as well :slap: c,monnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Uruguay n liverpool .:biggrin:

See, still something to cheer for Tankie. :) Even better, Costa Rica is already through, so England can beat them with a clear conscience - no need to worry that Italy might sneak through on the result.;)

tankie
21 Jun 14,, 12:22
At least Roy Hodgson has finally worked out how to stop us getting knocked out on penalties.

Bigfella
21 Jun 14,, 12:28
There is some hope Tankie. Fair bit of young talent in that team. Hopefully they will look good for the next Euro championships & better for the next WC. Hopefully.

Doktor
21 Jun 14,, 17:25
At least Roy Hodgson has finally worked out how to stop us getting knocked out on penalties.

Hey if he told you you'd be same or better then Spain before going to Brazil...

Double Edge
21 Jun 14,, 17:48
At least Roy Hodgson has finally worked out how to stop us getting knocked out on penalties.
Graham Taylor was better :biggrin:

tankie
21 Jun 14,, 19:22
Iran holding the Argies at the mo 0 0 at 65 mins

sated buddha
21 Jun 14,, 20:05
well played iran !

Doktor
21 Jun 14,, 20:10
well played iran !

You do realize that Argies are one of those teams who will score only 1 goal extra?
They play a boring, calculated game like the Italians, hope they get punished.

Double Edge
21 Jun 14,, 20:43
Iranian defense just shut the Argies out. Only Messi could have breached it. It's a bit sad for them to lose that one after the strongest performance from an Asian country. They still have a chance to get into the next round.

tankie
21 Jun 14,, 22:32
Messi magic ,,,

tankie
21 Jun 14,, 22:52
Germany 2 Ghana 2 this has been the best match yet , end to end , well played both teams gr8888888888 game .

Double Edge
21 Jun 14,, 22:54
Absolutely fantastic mate. Sad Ghana did not win this one.

That too against awesome German firepower.

Bigfella
22 Jun 14,, 02:23
Fascinating results today. Ghana keeps their hopes alive...just. Clearly they have their best chance against Germany after Germany beats someone 4-0. Nigeria does the same & sends Bosnia home. Iran makes Argentina look a bit flat - which is how they have looked so far in this WC.

Bigfella
22 Jun 14,, 22:37
Belgium through, Algeria currently 4-2 up against Korean Republic in yet another goalfest. Makes the last group games in this group fascinating. If Korea beat Belgium they go through. Otherwise it is down to Russia v Algeria with Algeria just needing a draw.

Doktor
22 Jun 14,, 22:47
Algeria - S. Korea is one of the most entertaining games I have seen. Not only for the goalfest, but in general.

tantalus
22 Jun 14,, 22:49
Absolutely fantastic mate. Sad Ghana did not win this one.

That too against awesome German firepower.


Messi magic ,,,
Really enjoyed it, thought the game was of high quality.


If Korea beat Belgium they go through. Otherwise it is down to Russia v Algeria with Algeria just needing a draw.
If Korea beat Belgium, best case scenario for them is tied with 4 points with Algeria if they draw, or with Russia if they win, than its a matter of goal difference, defeat by 2 really hurts them.

Doktor
22 Jun 14,, 23:02
Really excited about Mexico game tomorrow. Hope it will be one with a good flow.

Doktor
23 Jun 14,, 07:49
Good game for the Americans. Those passes were brilliant.

Ronaldo couldn't score directly, so he had to hit Varela's head :biggrin:

Would have been glad if Portuguese packed now.

Bigfella
23 Jun 14,, 09:51
Good game for the Americans. Those passes were brilliant.

Ronaldo couldn't score directly, so he had to hit Varela's head :biggrin:

Would have been glad if Portuguese packed now.

If the bloody Americans had defended for 30 seconds more Portugal would be on the plane. CRAP! Go Ghana!!!

Doktor
23 Jun 14,, 09:57
If the bloody Americans had defended for 30 seconds more Portugal would be on the plane. CRAP! Go Ghana!!!

Still chances for USA. I cheer for them to move on instead of Portugal or Ghana. Ghana were one of my favs before the tourney, but since they lost to USA... Besides, the Americans passed like they were Dutvc :biggrin:

10 more seconds and it would have been over by now, but, let the drama flow.

tankie
23 Jun 14,, 10:23
You do realize that Argies are one of those teams who will score only 1 goal extra?
They play a boring, calculated game like the Italians, hope they get punished.

Come to malvenas to play and they will be :biggrin: Belguim v Ivans ,,,yawwwwwwwwwwwwn , 10 min of decent play .

tankie
23 Jun 14,, 10:33
If the bloody Americans had defended for 30 seconds more Portugal would be on the plane. CRAP! Go Ghana!!!

I quoted years ago that USA would win the WC before UK ever did again , hard luck against Portugal tho , still a draw with the krauts sends em through , good luck Yanks

Bigfella
23 Jun 14,, 10:45
I quoted years ago that USA would win the WC before UK ever did again , hard luck against Portugal tho , still a draw with the krauts sends em through , good luck Yanks

Not sure if your first statement is optimism for the US or pessimism for the UK Tankie. ;) I still think the US will always struggle once it gets to the later stages of a tournament due to depth issues, but this team looks OK in patches. Depending on who they get they could make it a few more rounds, though they do seem prone to defensive lapses.

I was really going for them today because I just don't like Portugal or that pretty boy Ronaldo. See him storm off after the game? No congratulations to team mates or handshakes for opponents. Tosser. Happy for a Germany/US draw. Even happier for a Ghanian win.

Oh, and in case I forgot to mention it, GO URUGUAY!!!!!

Doktor
23 Jun 14,, 10:56
BF,

It's simple - there is no team UK ;)

tankie
23 Jun 14,, 11:00
Its neither B/F its an observation , USA are not really a footy nation but are fast becoming one to be reckoned with ,the size of the country and the diverseness of the population will produce players of immense talent , like Brazil did years ago , they will one day be World champs if they keep on the way they are going , ohhhhhhhhhhhhh yes , oh aye , screw Ronaldo , petulant prima , be better off in a diving team .

tankie
23 Jun 14,, 11:02
BF,

It's simple - there is no team UK ;)

Ohhh yes there is ,,,oops oh no there isnt ya right , its England ,just over paid over indulged over hyped under achieving , shite.

Doktor
23 Jun 14,, 11:08
Ohhh yes there is ,,,oops oh no there isnt ya right , its England ,just over paid over indulged over hyped under achieving , shite.

See, if you only added the humble Scots... :biggrin:

Doktor
23 Jun 14,, 11:10
BTW,

With Argies beating BH, we are the only undefeated former Yugo country on World Cups. :biggrin:

tankie
23 Jun 14,, 11:27
See, if you only added the humble Scots... :biggrin:

Not interested m8 , soon to be a new country , and good luck to them , BBC is now stating there are allegations of match fixing ,cant apply to England tho , we lost under our own merits , watch this space ?

Bigfella
23 Jun 14,, 11:47
BF,

It's simple - there is no team UK ;)

Sorry Doc, force of habit. :biggrin:

Bigfella
23 Jun 14,, 11:54
Its neither B/F its an observation , USA are not really a footy nation but are fast becoming one to be reckoned with ,the size of the country and the diverseness of the population will produce players of immense talent , like Brazil did years ago , they will one day be World champs if they keep on the way they are going ,

Certainly logical Tankie, but if sport slavishly followed logic what fun would it be. :biggrin:


ohhhhhhhhhhhhh yes , oh aye , screw Ronaldo , petulant prima , be better off in a diving team .

Some of his mates can join him. the rest would fit nicely in a martial arts team. Heard someone describe Ronaldo as a 'rich man's Beckham'. Wasn't meant as a compliment.

Bigfella
23 Jun 14,, 11:55
meanwhile....I'm getting up at 2am to watch Australia v Spain & Netherlands v Chile simultaneously. Going to be a crazy morning. Will be a write off at work. Fortunately the boss is doing the same. :biggrin:

tankie
23 Jun 14,, 12:05
Sad thing is tho , if the UK had a team , think of the talent to pick from from 4 countries , instead of trying to win the WC with 4 teams and then call em British if one of them does ( sneaky huh ) we end up with only England being knocked out n not the other 3 , who wud be scots/irish/welsh , only British if they won , like Andy Murray , when he loses hes a scot ,,wins hes a Brit , :biggrin:

Bigfella
23 Jun 14,, 12:15
Sad thing is tho , if the UK had a team , think of the talent to pick from from 4 countries , instead of trying to win the WC with 4 teams and then call em British if one of them does ( sneaky huh ) we end up with only England being knocked out n not the other 3 , who wud be scots/irish/welsh , only British if they won , like Andy Murray , when he loses hes a scot ,,wins hes a Brit , :biggrin:

Bit unfair to the Scots Tankie. They have a fine record of being knocked out of WCs. Far better than England. Remember the old joke about Scotland getting home before their post cards. :biggrin:

A UK team would certainly be interesting. Make those losses on penalties even more tragic. ;)

I like the tactical use of 'British' too. We do a similar think with Kiwis. When they succeed we claim them, when they stuff up we point out that they aren't actually Aussies. Stopped claiming Mel Gibson years ago too. Even before he began to express his fascinating opinions on Jewish folk. Dodged a bullet there.

Double Edge
23 Jun 14,, 12:32
Its neither B/F its an observation , USA are not really a footy nation but are fast becoming one to be reckoned with ,the size of the country and the diverseness of the population will produce players of immense talent , like Brazil did years ago , they will one day be World champs if they keep on the way they are going
Their women take it more seriously and have already won it twice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Women's_World_Cup#Results) on par with Germany.

No idea when their men will catch up :biggrin:

Double Edge
23 Jun 14,, 12:52
BF,

It's simple - there is no team UK ;)
You may have something there. On the club level their players can score every weekend but put them together on the world stage and its not the same any more.

Doktor
23 Jun 14,, 13:32
You may have something there. On the club level their players can score every weekend but put them together on the world stage and its not the same any more.

I was merely suggesting there are separate FAs of England, Wales, Scotland, NI, but not one of UK. OTOH, they have an Olympic team, but that one is also short of successes.

Team spirit with so many overpaid primadonnas is hard to get. look at Real. They feasted for 12 years because of their Kings.

Doktor
23 Jun 14,, 14:44
Meanwhile...

I guess Costa Ricans can find some cheap tickets to cheer their team.

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Double Edge
23 Jun 14,, 17:00
If you look at it as a percentage of the population of the country.

Australia & Chile stand out, lots of fans but population of their countries is lower in comparison to others. These two are the most confident.

Mexico seems under represented for its size, proximity & football fervour compared to US.

Colombia, Argentina, England & Germany are on par. French however a lot less.

Firestorm
23 Jun 14,, 18:01
Just the group stage of this WC has been far more entertaining (and unpredictable) than the entirety of the last one.

The Spaniards were boring and pitiful. I hope the Aussies dish out some more well deserved humiliation to them today. Aussies have been very unlucky. They played much better than some of the teams going into the next round. They have their last (and best) chance for a victory today. Can't wait for Suarez to knock out the Italians tomorrow as well.

Bigfella
23 Jun 14,, 18:10
Just the group stage of this WC has been far more entertaining (and unpredictable) than the entirety of the last one.

The Spaniards were boring and pitiful. I hope the Aussies dish out some more well deserved humiliation to them today. Aussies have been very unlucky. They played much better than some of the teams going into the next round. They have their last (and best) chance for a victory today. Can't wait for Suarez to knock out the Italians tomorrow as well.

Agree with all of that.

Bigfella
23 Jun 14,, 18:13
Meanwhile...

I guess Costa Ricans can find some cheap tickets to cheer their team.

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Not only does America have the most, it also has the single coolest fan of the tournament - a guy dressed as Teddy Roosevelt. Well, I assume he was dressed up. Might just be an odd guy. Anyway, just thought that was awesome. Hoping he had 3 mates dressed as Washington, Jefferson & Lincoln - the 'Rushmore set'.

Albany Rifles
23 Jun 14,, 19:41
BF,

Did Teddy look like this guy?

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Because he is one of these...

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They race between innings at Washington Nationals baseball games.


And regarding this...

Their women take it more seriously and have already won it twice on par with Germany.

No idea when their men will catch up

In the US the better male athletes tend to gravitate towards football/basketball/baseball once they hit high school. In elementary school level soccer is huge...all kids play it. But at high school, the norm is to miograte to more traditional "American" sports....and in some locations lacrosse, hockey and/or rugby can substitute for one or 2 of those sports.

The best way for a young women to get an athletic scholarship to college is to play either basketball or soccer. Not so young men.

And as to how good an American team could be....look at the best linebackers, receivers and defensive backs in football, the best forwards and point guards in basketball and the best 2nd basemen, shortstops and center fielders in baseball and imagine that they kept playing soccer from age 12 on in serious club leagues. That's the making of one hell of a soccer team.

Bigfella
23 Jun 14,, 19:48
BF,

Did Teddy look like this guy?

37220

Because he is one of these...

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Sadly No AR. Would have loved to see that. No, this guy had grown the mo, had the glasses, the 'rough rider' hat & full kit (minus gun I assume). Real commitment.

The only real comparison is Chilean fans who dress up as 'Condorito', a Chilean cartoon condor. Nothing quite like seeing a guy in a giant blue condor suit in the crowd.

Bigfella
23 Jun 14,, 19:52
In other news, I am watching Spain v Australia & Netherlands v Chile simultaneously. Gotta love internet streaming.

Spain are picking Australia apart and will win 3-0.

Netherlands just beat Chile 2-0 and go through top. They will meet the second placed team in Brazil's group, Chile the first. All that will be decided later today.

Double Edge
23 Jun 14,, 20:01
Hmm, am a bit sad Spain is out, when you get used to them winning tournament after the other since 2008, this is all difficult to take in. This was their last hurrah. The whole team will be gutted now and we will see a new gen at the next euros.

Without Cahill, Austalia lose 3-0 with him, 3-2

Netherlands are looking good to get into the semi's now. Chile will have a hard time with Brazil.

Croatia has to beat mexico to get into the next round but the Mexicans can draw and still get through.

Doktor
23 Jun 14,, 23:47
Mexico - Netherlands next. Woot.

Bigfella
24 Jun 14,, 09:46
Mexico - Netherlands next. Woot.

Yep. Should be a good game, and if Mexico follow the last 6 world cups they will lose. Lets hope they are traditionalists. Holland's defence tightened up dramatically since last game and the attack still looked good without Van Persie. I'm hopeful.

Chile Brazil will also be a great game. Brazil looked better today, but Cameroon aren't a great team. Chile also have a fine tradition of losing to Brazil in the second round. I'm hoping they buck that tradition.

Doktor
24 Jun 14,, 09:53
*Feels weird for having same views on football/soccer with an Aussie*

:matrix:

tankie
24 Jun 14,, 10:01
C,monnnnnnnnnnnnnn costa coffee , stuff the crap out of England , complete the rout , then maybe we can get rid of the fkin failures like G Dyke in the FA and get some with gonads to do the gig , get shot of the old farts ffs . :tank:

sated buddha
24 Jun 14,, 10:08
Stopped claiming Mel Gibson years ago too. Even before he began to express his fascinating opinions on Jewish folk. Dodged a bullet there.

I thought you said Mad Max was God in Australia?

tankie
24 Jun 14,, 10:13
Yea n ya can have Rolf Harris back as well , another soon to be convict :biggrin:

Bigfella
24 Jun 14,, 10:15
I thought you said Mad Max was God in Australia?

Don't know how to tell you this SB, but Mad Max is a fictional character.....like all Gods. Fictional things are by far the best things to worship - they make fewer mistakes. Mel Gibson is very real & not remotely worthy of worship. :)

BTW, Byron Kennedy & George Miller were/are Aussies.

Doktor
24 Jun 14,, 10:19
Imagine putting Mad Max in the Australian starting line up :slap:

Bigfella
24 Jun 14,, 10:21
Yea n ya can have Rolf Harris back as well , another soon to be convict :biggrin:

Not a chance Tankie. You blokes can pay for his retirement to a small room with bars. Think of him as our revenge for Thomas Austin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Austin) ;)

Bigfella
24 Jun 14,, 10:22
Imagine putting Mad Max in the Australian starting line up :slap:

He'd get red carded quicker than a Uruguayan. Might take out half the other team before he did, however.

sated buddha
24 Jun 14,, 10:48
Bigfella, what's wrong with Mel Gibson? His accent?

Bigfella
24 Jun 14,, 11:14
Bigfella, what's wrong with Mel Gibson? His accent?

* Never been an Australian citizen#;

* Crazy religious beliefs;

* Allegations of beating up his girlfriend;

* Anti-semite;

* made some pretty shit films;

* Cheated on his wife - mother of his 7 children.

In short, he's a bit of a tool.

That will do for starters

#Mel Gibson actually lived on a farm with his Australian (first) wife & kids not that far from the town I grew up in . He mostly kept to himself, but during an election in the late 1980s he lent his support publically to an extreme right wing candidate. He was promptly told to butt out unless he planned to become a citizen. The candidate barely got enough of the vote to get his deposit back.

sated buddha
24 Jun 14,, 11:18
Oh that is disappointing.

Sometimes I do wish the private lives of movie stars would remain private.

Sportspersons too.

tankie
24 Jun 14,, 11:19
Not a chance Tankie. You blokes can pay for his retirement to a small room with bars. Think of him as our revenge for Thomas Austin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Austin) ;)

IF he is found guilty of kiddy fiddling , he should be put to death the cnut , if not , then left alone to live his life ,

okkkkkkkk back on track , the bolded piece is exactly the problem with players

Steven Gerrard and Roy Hodgson reacted angrily to Harry Redknapp's claim that several of his players at Tottenham would do anything to get out of playing for England.

Redknapp, speaking to BBC Radio 5 Live, said, "I can tell you when I was at Tottenham, when full internationals came around, there were two or three players who did not want to play for England.

"They would come to me 10 days before the game and say, 'Gaffer, get me out of that game, I don't want to play in that game'. That was how it was. I'd say, 'You're playing for your country, you should want to play'.

"(They would say) 'Nah, my girlfriend is having a baby in four weeks, I don't want to play' and that is the truth, so it makes you wonder.

"And I think it's only going to get worse. You see the stick the England players get and they come home, they're earning fantastic money at their clubs, they're all playing in the Champions League. They think, 'Do we need the aggro?'"

Football - England shirkers claim no surprise PA Sport
Redknapp's words provoked a huge instant reaction, with Matthew Le Tissier - who, infamously, was barely capped by England despite being one of the finest players of his generation - describing the revelations as "a knife through your heart".

The words were put to England skipper Gerrard and manager Hodgson as they prepared for England's final group stage match, a dead rubber against Costa Rica - and both men were furious at what they'd heard.

"The comment is a comment, like 'them' and 'they' didn't want to play for England. Who? Name them? We need names. I don't know who he means. Five years ago? 10 years ago?" said Gerrard. "If it's the case, it's disgusting... I can guarantee that is not the case [with this squad]. Nobody here wants to go home."

Hodgson was both annoyed and perplexed by Redknapp's claims.

"If you make comments like that, you have to name them," the manager said.

"I could name a player with an educated guess, but 'players'? It's unfair to ask people to look back historically.

"In the two years I've been here, I've seen a greater interest in playing for England, so Harry's comments come as a bit of a surprise."

We've a fair amount of sympathy for Gerrard and Hodgson, both probably caught off guard - because this has instantly become an unseemly mess that serves absolutely no-one.

Redknapp should not have made the initial comment, and Gerrard should not be demanding names.

Even if the England captain intended to challenge the assertion rather than uncover the traitor in his own family, it will only lead to more debate over the squad’s commitment – specifically the 12 England players who worked under Redknapp at Tottenham.

While the England captain was guilty of nothing more than a rash press conference answer under trying circumstances, Redknapp’s remarks were wildly unhelpful and liable only to unsettle a dejected England team further.

The QPR boss could be forgiven some sense of grievance at missing out on the England job, but if – as he claims – he has the team’s best interests at heart, he would speak privately to Hodgson instead of broadcasting his views on national radio.

As for who the players are? Well, as Hodgson pointed out it'd be possible to make an educated guess.

But we'll leave that to you: these are the 12 men under the spotlight, who were England players during Redknapp's tenure at White Hart Lane.

Peter Crouch

Jermain Defoe

Aaron Lennon

Darren Bent

Scott Parker

David Bentley

Jermaine Jenas

Michael Dawson

Tom Huddlestone

Jonathan Woodgate

Bigfella
24 Jun 14,, 11:43
Oh that is disappointing.

Sometimes I do wish the private lives of movie stars would remain private.

Sportspersons too.

I agree, but even without that the weight of his other stuff would sink him. When your response to a police stop for DUI is: "Fucking Jews... the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world. Are you a Jew?" you are a world class dickhead at best. No sympathy from me.

Doktor
24 Jun 14,, 11:48
What's Mel Gibson doing in the WC thread? Waxing his leg?

I lost all respect for him long time ago, now let's move on.


My wishes for today's winners:

Costa Rica
Italy (have to, too many Italians in my life)
Cote d' Ivore :biggrin:
Colombia

By the look of it, I don't expect too many goals today. Especially in the second match ;)

sated buddha
24 Jun 14,, 11:54
Oh man.

That is NOT a mental impression I wanted to carry of the man ......

That's really mean man. Now I cannot see the Patriot or Braveheart without thinking of waxed legs ......

Bigfella
24 Jun 14,, 11:55
okkkkkkkk back on track , the bolded piece is exactly the problem with players

Steven Gerrard and Roy Hodgson reacted angrily to Harry Redknapp's claim that several of his players at Tottenham would do anything to get out of playing for England.

Redknapp, speaking to BBC Radio 5 Live, said, "I can tell you when I was at Tottenham, when full internationals came around, there were two or three players who did not want to play for England.


If that is true, rather then Redknapp just shit stirring, then you have a problem no coach is going to be able to fix. Australia once had a problem getting guys like Craig Johnston to play for us, but that was when we weren't remotely good enough to make a WC. Most of the young guys coming up would crawl over broken glass to get a Socceroos shirt. I can sort of see why some players might not want to have to deal with the British press, but it is a sad state of affairs.

I agree that it is a bit harsh to focus on the question of 'who' and start a witch hunt, but the fact that the article lists names sort of proves the point about the UK press. it also avoids the central issue. I struggle to believe that it was only players at one club saying this to one manager. if there is a problem it needs to be examined & some way found to address it. Hunting down 'bad guys' isn't the way to go.

Bigfella
24 Jun 14,, 11:56
What's Mel Gibson doing in the WC thread? Waxing his leg?

I lost all respect for him long time ago, now let's move on.


My wishes for today's winners:

Costa Rica
Italy (have to, too many Italians in my life)
Cote d' Ivore :biggrin:
Colombia

By the look of it, I don't expect too many goals today. Especially in the second match ;)

I'm considering putting you on ignore for that. ;)

Doktor
24 Jun 14,, 11:56
Oh man.

That is NOT a mental impression I wanted to carry of the man ......

That's really mean man. Now I cannot see the Patriot or Braveheart without thinking of waxed legs ......

Since you can't let it go...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9zmpvWzfHs

tankie
24 Jun 14,, 12:03
Oh man.

That is NOT a mental impression I wanted to carry of the man ......

That's really mean man. Now I cannot see the Patriot or Braveheart without thinking of waxed legs ......

och aye the noo ,,,,,,,,,,blue .

Doktor
24 Jun 14,, 12:07
I'm considering putting you on ignore for that. ;)

Once every 10 years they can put a descent game. Like against Germany on the last Euro.

Bigfella
24 Jun 14,, 12:11
Once every 10 years they can put a descent game.

Just as long as it isn't their next one. :biggrin:

Doktor
24 Jun 14,, 12:44
Fear not, Pirlo already complains on the weather.

Double Edge
24 Jun 14,, 14:50
"And I think it's only going to get worse. You see the stick the England players get and they come home, they're earning fantastic money at their clubs, they're all playing in the Champions League. They think, 'Do we need the aggro?'"
This is one of those things that people wonder about but cannot say. You're doing well at your club, you're supported and loved, then you have to play for the country, you miss one or more chances and the whole country starts to blame you.

Rooney has to be the most bashed player out there, EVERYBODY has an opinion on whether he should be played, benched or dropped. And if England loses its because the manager picked the wrong option at the time.

So, if you are in the team whether you like it or not, then its do or die. There is too much at stake and the pressure is immense. Losing a game at the club isn't so bad its much more to lose on the national level. They are too wound up, and it shows when they take penalties, Germans are cool, English are shaking in their pants.

What about players on the continent, aren't they in the same shoes too, Spain, France, Italy, Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Netherlands all have major clubs with players that will face lots of flak if they lose. Why is England so unique here.

Once you're in it, then Redknapp's comment does not apply. Way to go, kicking your lads when they're down.

sated buddha
24 Jun 14,, 14:53
I like Roney's new hair. Better than Kallis. Is there a way to find out where he got it done?

I have this (still) small round patch developing at the back of my head and I'm getting worried.

tankie
24 Jun 14,, 14:55
This is one of those things that people wonder about but cannot say. You're doing well at your club, you're supported and loved, then you have to play for the country, you miss one or more chances and the whole country starts to blame you.

Rooney has to be the most bashed player out there, EVERYBODY has an opinion on whether he should be played, benched or dropped. And if England loses its because the manager picked the wrong option at the time.

So, if you are in the team whether you like it or not, then its do or die. There is too much at stake and the pressure is immense. Losing a game at the club isn't so bad its much more to lose on the national level. They are too wound up, and it shows when they take penalties, Germans are cool, English are shaking in their pants.

Only in football ;)

tankie
24 Jun 14,, 14:58
I like Roney's new hair. Better than Kallis. Is there a way to find out where he got it done?

I have this (still) small round patch developing at the back of my head and I'm getting worried.

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh nothing to worry about ,,baldy :biggrin:

sated buddha
24 Jun 14,, 15:06
Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh nothing to worry about ,,baldy :biggrin:

Ouch that hurt man. Its not that bad yet ..... but the Regaine is on in full swing. Isn't helping .....



This is a guirella attack by my elder daughter while I was chilling with my younger.

tankie
24 Jun 14,, 15:19
ahhhhhhhhh a trainee monk lol

sated buddha
24 Jun 14,, 15:19
Ok lets get back to the football then. :)

Doktor
24 Jun 14,, 15:20
Ok lets get back to the football then. :)

While you still have hair? :biggrin:

sated buddha
24 Jun 14,, 15:26
I'm thinking of pretending I'm a Jew and wearing those small caps which cover exactly the same spot.

tankie
24 Jun 14,, 15:27
hair today gone tomoz

tankie
24 Jun 14,, 15:28
I'm thinking of pretending I'm a Jew and wearing those small caps which cover exactly the same spot.

Cut it square like a footy pitch ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,for nits :biggrin:

sated buddha
24 Jun 14,, 15:30
sheesh I so asked for it.

sated buddha
24 Jun 14,, 15:34
Can you at least ask Rooney for the name of the clinic the next time you go to a game and he's passing by through the tunnel?

tankie
24 Jun 14,, 15:50
Can you at least ask Rooney for the name of the clinic the next time you go to a game and he's passing by through the tunnel?

Not me m8 , im a Liverpool fan , not kof kof gag spit , man,ure :biggrin: