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    Tankie is busy banging the wall somewhere, so I'll do it.



    Solicitors told how to draw up Sharia-style wills penalising widows and non-believers

    slamic law is to be effectively enshrined in the British legal system for the first time under guidelines for solicitors on drawing up “Sharia compliant” wills.

    Under ground-breaking guidance, produced by The Law Society, High Street solicitors will be able to write Islamic wills that deny women an equal share of inheritances and exclude unbelievers altogether.

    The documents, which would be recognised by Britain’s courts, will also prevent children born out of wedlock – and even those who have been adopted – from being counted as legitimate heirs.

    Anyone married in a church, or in a civil ceremony, could be excluded from succession under Sharia principles, which recognise only Muslim weddings for inheritance purposes.

    Nicholas Fluck, president of The Law Society, said the guidance would promote “good practice” in applying Islamic principles in the British legal system.

    Some lawyers, however, described the guidance as “astonishing”, while campaigners warned it represented a major step on the road to a “parallel legal system” for Britain’s Muslim communities.

    Baroness Cox, a cross-bench peer leading a Parliamentary campaign to protect women from religiously sanctioned discrimination, including from unofficial Sharia courts in Britain, said it was a “deeply disturbing” development and pledged to raise it with ministers.

    “This violates everything that we stand for,” she said. “It would make the Suffragettes turn in their graves.”

    The guidance, quietly published this month and distributed to solicitors in England and Wales, details how wills should be drafted to fit Islamic traditions while being valid under British law.

    It suggests deleting or amending standard legal terms and even words such as “children” to ensure that those deemed “illegitimate” are denied any claim over the inheritance.

    It recommends that some wills include a declaration of faith in Allah which would be drafted at a local mosque, and hands responsibility for drawing up some papers to Sharia courts.

    The guidance goes on to suggest that Sharia principles could potentially overrule British practices in some disputes, giving examples of areas that would need to be tested in English courts.

    Currently, Sharia principles are not formally addressed by or included in Britain’s laws.

    However, a network of Sharia courts has grown up in Islamic communities to deal with disputes between Muslim families.
    A few are officially recognised tribunals, operating under the Arbitration Act.

    They have powers to set contracts between parties, mainly in commercial disputes, but also to deal with issues such as domestic violence, family disputes and inheritance battles.

    But many more unofficial Sharia courts are also in operation.

    Parliament has been told of a significant network of more informal Sharia tribunals and “councils”, often based in mosques, dealing with religious divorces and even child custody matters in line with religious teaching.

    They offer “mediation” rather than adjudication, although some hearings are laid out like courts with religious scholars or legal experts sitting in a manner more akin to judges than counsellors.

    One study estimated that there were now around 85 Sharia bodies operating in Britain. But the new Law Society guidance represents the first time that an official legal body has recognised the legitimacy of some Sharia principles.

    It opens the way for non-Muslim lawyers in High Street firms to offer Sharia will drafting services. The document sets out crucial differences between Sharia inheritance laws and Western traditions.

    It explains how, in Islamic custom, inheritances are divided among a set list of heirs determined by ties of kinship rather than named individuals. It acknowledges the possibility of people having multiple marriages.

    “The male heirs in most cases receive double the amount inherited by a female heir of the same class,” the guidance says. “Non-Muslims may not inherit at all, and only Muslim marriages are recognised.

    Similarly, a divorced spouse is no longer a Sharia heir, as the entitlement depends on a valid Muslim marriage existing at the date of death. This means you should amend or delete some standard will clauses.”

    It advises lawyers to draft special exclusions from the Wills Act 1837, which allows gifts to pass to the children of an heir who has died, because this is not recognised in Islamic law.

    Keith Porteous Wood, executive director of the National Secular Society, said: “This guidance marks a further stage in the British legal establishment’s undermining of democratically determined human rights-compliant law in favour of religious law from another era and another culture. British equality law is more comprehensive in scope and remedies than any elsewhere in the world. Instead of protecting it, The Law Society seems determined to sacrifice the progress made in the last 500 years.”

    Lady Cox said: “Everyone has freedom to make their own will and everyone has freedom to let those wills reflect their religious beliefs. But to have an organisation such as The Law Society seeming to promote or encourage a policy which is inherently gender discriminatory in a way which will have very serious implications for women and possibly for children is a matter of deep concern.”
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Doktor View Post
    Tankie is busy banging the wall somewhere, so I'll do it.
    I don't get it. They seem to be devising loopholes that would allow sharia compliance while still being compliant with British law, right? It does not seem like British law itself is being changed. Seems like lawyers are up to lawerly stuff, nothing more. Please correct me if I am missing anything
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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    • #3
      What do you mean the British Law would not be changed?

      Under ground-breaking guidance, produced by The Law Society, High Street solicitors will be able to write Islamic wills that deny women an equal share of inheritances and exclude unbelievers altogether.

      The documents, which would be recognised by Britain’s courts, will also prevent children born out of wedlock – and even those who have been adopted – from being counted as legitimate heirs.

      Anyone married in a church, or in a civil ceremony, could be excluded from succession under Sharia principles, which recognise only Muslim weddings for inheritance purposes.
      Read it again.
      No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

      To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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      • #4
        I don't see it any different than any other will that leaves the entire inheritance to charity or a dog.

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        • #5
          Say you have kids and never been married. What happens if you don't leave will behind you?
          No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

          To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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          • #6
            Civil Law takes over if there is no will and there's not a thing any Mosque can do about it.

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            • #7
              Then why this, but the obvious lawyers greed?
              No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

              To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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              • #8
                A blueprint for Lawyers to write wills for those who wants a will to conform to Islamic Laws? It can still be challenged under Civil Law, ie the person was not of sound mind and body.

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                • #9
                  Why one wouldn't be sound if signing a document in accordance to their religion?

                  Since I am not a lawyer, I am basically guided by the standards here. Over here there is no way to exclude your spouse and/or kids with a will.
                  The partition goes 50% for the spouse, 50% for the kids, divided with the number of the kids.

                  The only way to negate them the right to inherit something is to sell it before death.

                  The rationale is weird, but some think it's just.

                  Anyway, back to UK, in my view this will only piss off tankie's friends for no valid gain. Noone prevented lawyers till now to write wills in conformity with Islamic laws.
                  No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

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                  • #10
                    I guess that there is enough clientelle and wills that have been successfully challenged that the High Society came out with this blueprint, to serve a large enough clientelle who wants their will to conform to Sharia Law. I'm guessing that they have already came out with one for Jewish laws.

                    I mean you can leave everything to a cat but unless your lawyer is one of those who can successfully defend it, ie extremely high priced, your regular lawyer will not be able to cater to that.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                      What do you mean the British Law would not be changed?
                      Read it again.
                      I did; I still do not see where British law is being changed. British law is made in the Parliament, not in the hands of solicitors or the Law Society.

                      Instead, here is what I see:

                      Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                      The guidance, quietly published this month and distributed to solicitors in England and Wales, details how wills should be drafted to fit Islamic traditions while being valid under British law.
                      In other works, they are using loopholes and constructs within the British Legal framework to get results acceptable to Islamic customs. In others words, they have found a market for legal innovation.

                      For the record, I find Islamic traditions extremely distasteful (just I generally find ancient religion driven customs distasteful). But I cannot see the reason for any brouhaha, unless it be for the reason that the British lawyers see enough of Muslim populations and therefore enough of a demand for this.

                      Sorta like how private businesses in the US offering spanish languages options make "free enterprise" loving conservatives suddenly go all cattywampus
                      "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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