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Tamara
21 Mar 14,, 14:24
"Italy rescues more than 4,000 migrants, operations ongoing" (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/21/us-italy-migrants-idUSBREA2K0O720140321)

It's in the Med and these pickups have been going on for a while.

Nevertheless.....................................

Doktor
21 Mar 14,, 14:27
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/20/world/europe/more-than-2000-migrants-rescued-off-italian-coast.html

1400 gone missing till the news hit Australia ;)
Italy rescues 600 migrants in two boats | SBS News (http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/03/18/italy-rescues-600-migrants-two-boats)

Tamara
21 Mar 14,, 14:31
Ssshhh....I'm running a study.

I found out about the Italians by watching the Spanish news. I have the American TV news on the other side.

So far, it's basket ball, the search for the airline, Mr. Phelps is dead, some teenager playing Spiderman on the WTC, and the President.

Nothing yet about the other rescue.

SteveDaPirate
21 Mar 14,, 16:15
It depends on which America news you are looking at, as actual news organizations are almost certainly covering it. Ignore the talking heads on TV, they are in the entertainment business, and purely focused on ratings.

Italian ships rescue thousands of migrants - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/world/italian-ships-rescue-thousands-of-migrants/2014/03/19/14ff9384-afb2-11e3-b8b3-44b1d1cd4c1f_video.html)

Italy navy rescue 600 migrants in overcrowded boats (http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/world/2014/03/18/6563135/)

Albany Rifles
21 Mar 14,, 16:56
Heard it this AM on NPR.

Mihais
21 Mar 14,, 17:05
Good.Now the Navy ought to escort them back where they came from,land them ashore and sink the ships.

Doing anything else encourages a lucrative criminal bussiness.

DonBelt
21 Mar 14,, 17:30
Well, we did see the news story about the rescue of a ship load of oil fleeing Libya. Libya is the foreign policy disaster no one wants to see. I understand the desire to not turn your back on a humanitarian disaster and what Gaddafi was doing to his own people, but it doesn't seem like there was much of a plan of what to do after getting rid of Gaddafi and his govt. The pictures of thousands of young men leaving Libya makes it seem like it is no better now than it was then- with the exception of many more thousands dead, the loss of control of military grade weapons, the expenditure of monies and assets to achieve it and the reduction of oil available on the world market. ( which is a negative or positive depending on your point of view I guess- positive for OPEC and Russia, negative for industrial countries )

kato
21 Mar 14,, 18:18
Now the Navy ought to escort them back where they came from,land them ashore and sink the ships.
It's a bit more complicated. They currently typically start in Egypt with ocean-capable ships and then transfer to small boats when closing in on Italy or Greece.

The current operation is an Italian Navy operation called "Mare Nostrum" (possibly a bit controversial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mare_Nostrum)) in which - aside from rescueing refugees - they also attempt to intercept and seize the ocean-capable ships and arrest their crews, then the police investigates from there on - eight Egyptians that are part of the trafficking system have been arrested in Syracuse, Italy as part of this operation so far.

Mare Nostrum rescued about 15,000 refugees at sea in the last six months, which is about half of the amount of people UNHCR estimates take that route. About 90% of these refugees are adult men, btw.

Stitch
21 Mar 14,, 20:28
Heard it this AM on NPR.

NPR actually had a segment on this months ago; as Tamara said, this has been going on for quite a while. I'm sure that Europeans (in particular the Italian authorities) are aware of it, but it seems that Americans couldn't care less.

Desperation Outweighs Dangers For Europe-Bound Migrants : Parallels : NPR (http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2013/10/18/237120156/desperation-outweighs-dangers-for-europe-bound-migrants)

DonBelt
21 Mar 14,, 20:39
Mare Nostrum rescued about 15,000 refugees at sea in the last six months, which is about half of the amount of people UNHCR estimates take that route. About 90% of these refugees are adult men, btw.
I noticed in the pictures accompanying the stories that most or all of the refugees were young men, none appeared to be emaciated either from what I could tell. Granted it was only a few photos that I looked at. Is this typical of a refugee movement? I try to compare it to the Mariel Boat lift or the large amount of illegal immigration on the southern US border, but that is a bit like apples and oranges. In the case of the southern border, people are able to cross back and forth pretty easily and send money back to their families in their countries of origin so they are mostly male unaccompanied workers. The Mariel boat lift was the dumping of Cuba's prisons and institutions besides dissidents. Both somewhat different from this situation. Is this something that we should take notice of? Could the next wave of terrorism or people rioting in the streets be among these people?

Mihais
21 Mar 14,, 20:54
It's a bit more complicated. They currently typically start in Egypt with ocean-capable ships and then transfer to small boats when closing in on Italy or Greece.



Huh!What does it matter how they start they sea voyage?It's that it should end right where they started it,not in Europe.And if Egypt has problems repatriating those migrants to their countries of origin,it should get some help.Paying a ticket from Egypt to Sudan or Eritrea is considerably cheaper than keeping all those fellows in Europe.
A far cheaper solution would be to make an example of the ilegal boats and sink one in ten,on sight.Though I agree that would be a bit controversial Decimation (Roman army) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_%28Roman_army%29)

Otherwise you get a real life World War Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4QoT7w8uuk

Doktor
21 Mar 14,, 21:57
You mean something like this?

Tragedy of Otranto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_Otranto)

Mihais
21 Mar 14,, 22:25
You mean something like this?

Tragedy of Otranto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_Otranto)
Bigger than that.The phenomenon is on larger scale these days.
Plus,deport all the newly arrived.It's cheaper and safer this way.

zraver
22 Mar 14,, 02:59
Ssshhh....I'm running a study.

I found out about the Italians by watching the Spanish news. I have the American TV news on the other side.

So far, it's basket ball, the search for the airline, Mr. Phelps is dead, some teenager playing Spiderman on the WTC, and the President.

Nothing yet about the other rescue.


Its also not one rescue like a ship going down but a wave of boat people. We deal with the same thing here from Haiti and Cuba.