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tlake
07 Mar 14,, 13:22
Which ones would you select from the past and the present? Classic T/As had style, and the Chrysler SRT8 Core seems to represent modern muscle best. I guess this is about some models we would like to own, space and money permitting, lol.:biggrin: I suppose something like an Audi S8 could qualify these days too.:cool:

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/2/0/2013_chrysler_300_core_review_03-1006-450x240.jpg

Core viddy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=938ktHCu03g)

http://photos3.automanager.com/020773/5050ace53b1848e8959e4a5b3d6b068e/6ae78f1512_640.jpg

Firebird T/A (http://er3.com/firebird/67firebirdT.htm)


http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/08/14/16/07/1976_dodge_dart-pic-28097.jpeg

http://noel.prodigitalsoftware.com/images/6SpeedShiftBallThumbnail.jpg

RadioPatrol
07 Mar 14,, 20:58
My Dad had a 1962 Pontiac Grad Prix 421 SD ...
... I can still remember in 75 [after the 1st gas crunch] standing in the service station pointing at the Dual Quads, asking what's this ...

:eek:

that's right he had the 2x quads pulled for a single 4bbl

this not dads car, but ours was similar ... black no chrome - this was 1975 no one knew anything about six figure collectible ... and interior ? I know it was not red ... black maybe


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tbm3fan
07 Mar 14,, 22:55
Days of old? A sleeper unknown by most but it had Ford's Nascar bred 427 engine with only around 370 cars built with it. The 1968 Mercury Cougar GTE. Today it would still be a Mustang for me.

RadioPatrol
07 Mar 14,, 23:02
which 427 was that ?

SOHC
Tunnel Port

tbm3fan
07 Mar 14,, 23:18
Being 1968 is would be impossible to be an SOHC as NASCAR outlawed the engine before the start of the 1965 racing season. The only engine ever outlawed by NASCAR but it was popular in the drag racing arena. All 427s were either specified as a top oiler or side oiler starting in 1965. Tunnel port refers to the matching heads and intake Ford made for the engine if so inclined to obtain. That stuff could be bought, off the shelf, from Ford in the 60's. I have purchased several muscle engine parts from Center City Ford San Diego in 1970 as they supplied racers in the region.

So the GTE got the side oiler and there were supposed to be 500 built for NASCAR homologation but only 357 were built split between the 427 and 428CJ. The rarest of the rare would be the two 427 and two 428 that came with 4 speeds.

RadioPatrol
08 Mar 14,, 00:09
So the GTE got the side oiler and there were supposed to be 500 built for NASCAR homologation but only 357 were built split between the 427 and 428CJ. The rarest of the rare would be the two 427 and two 428 that came with 4 speeds.

:bows:
:notworthy:

Interesting ... the only NASCAR bred 427's I am familiar with are items like R Code 63 Galaxies ... etc
I know there was the Cougar Eliminator as well ... IIRC that was a 428SCJ


GT-E Option Package | Cougar GT-E Registry (http://gte.mercurycougarregistry.com/gt-e-option-package/)

tbm3fan
08 Mar 14,, 02:15
I see you ran across Jim Pinkerton's GTE registry. He is the man who keeps track of every GTE made and still in existence as to their current condition, originality and ownership history.

The base engine for an Eliminator was always the 351 and in 1969 that was the 351-2V Windsor with higher outputs as such as 390, 428CJ and the 428SCJ. Not many SCJ's out there and they are more commonly known as the "Drag Pack" because of their 3.90 and 4.30 gears. Oh, the 351 Cleveland was available in the 1970 model year for Ford.

Stitch
08 Mar 14,, 02:16
I was always partial to the Hemi 'Cuda:

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RadioPatrol
08 Mar 14,, 02:52
I see you ran across Jim Pinkerton's GTE registry.


you def sound like a Ford Enthusiast - nothing wrong with that I own a 96 Bronco and had and 84 Bronco XLT w/460

RadioPatrol
08 Mar 14,, 02:54
:pop:

tbm3fan
08 Mar 14,, 04:51
you def sound like a Ford Enthusiast - nothing wrong with that I own a 96 Bronco and had and 84 Bronco XLT w/460

Somewhat since I have 6 Fords currently. In high school and a few other forums my nickname/handle is Cougar.

1973/2013/1969

Pedicabby
08 Mar 14,, 10:02
I don't have a driving license much less a car but if I did I would have an old skool Nova with big fat tyres on the back and a sound systrm so loud that when I decided to listen to Slayer, everyone else on the road would be listening to Slayer. And if I lived in the U.S. that bad boy of a car would have a shot gun rack.

tlake
05 Jul 14,, 13:51
To get around spiraling insurance premiums, cars like the S/C 360, Olds Rallye 350 etc. were introduced. They were quick for the day, but muscle/sporty cars were on the way down by then (1971). 1971 was also the last year for Hemi usage.:frown:

SC 360 Hornet (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=770062069679300&set=ms.770062069679300.770062733012567.77006321967 9185.770063963012444.bps.a.216735765011936&type=1&theater)

http://www.javelinamx.com/javhome/articles/sc360-01.jpg

RadioPatrol
05 Jul 14,, 14:44
To get around spiraling insurance premiums, cars like the S/C 360, Olds Rallye 350 etc. were introduced. They were quick for the day, but muscle/sporty cars were on the way down by then (1971). 1971 was also the last year for Hemi usage.


AMC Really should have gotten more respect .... 401 Javelins were Awesome cars

AMC Javelin 401 Police Car (http://www.javelinamx.com/javhome/copcar/alabama1.htm)

tlake
19 Mar 15,, 11:10
Blown 312 Y block '57 Fairlanes had the kind of power FE V8 Mustangs only had a decade later.:cool:

Ford Fairlane (https://www.facebook.com/CarToonsByMarc/photos/a.414103268730460.1073741827.414100642064056/492919844182135/?type=3&theater)

Samuels creek
25 Mar 15,, 09:44
America made some good muscle cars. Not the best ones, but most of the good ones. it's hard to pick a favourite. Always wanted to own one of these.


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However, nothing on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiNZbcEzogU

But this next car, there's a bit of an unknown story to. As good as it was, GM executives in America mothballed it being even any better, better than all the rest.

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They dominated despite only 308 cubic inches. Weighed about 1200 kilos in the showroom, put out a reliable 380 hp's. They were tight, compact, very drivable. Insurance companies reported they mostly fixed rear quarter panel damage from being spun out. They were light on the arse end. The double wishbone front suspension made these very good "drift cars". They were so well built and ready to race out of the factory, the factory race team complained because they had no advantage over the privateers. They're pricks to do an engine change. I've hurt a lot of fingers and knuckles as a result of how tight the engine room is.

The chief engineer of Holden back then designed them to be all alloy. That cut out about 33% of the weight. They upgraded the engine to a nice 500 hp, with an option for mild turbo's. Above and beyond anything else. Some say why GM knocked it on the head.

Stitch
25 Mar 15,, 17:15
AMC Really should have gotten more respect .... 401 Javelins were Awesome cars

AMC Javelin 401 Police Car (http://www.javelinamx.com/javhome/copcar/alabama1.htm)

Went to high school with a guy back in the '70's who had a twin-turbo AMC AMX (he was a senior, I was only a lowly freshman); he could easily get the front end off the ground just by tapping the accelerator.

Oracle
25 Mar 15,, 17:30
How about 1967 Mustang Shelby Gt500. Wonder if I could ever have one? :frown:

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tbm3fan
25 Mar 15,, 18:25
Went to high school with a guy back in the '70's who had a twin-turbo AMC AMX (he was a senior, I was only a lowly freshman); he could easily get the front end off the ground just by tapping the accelerator.

What? Maybe you mean this

AMC also introduced the Super Stock AMX. To maximize quarter-mile performance, the 390 engine was equipped with twin Holley carburetors and 12.3:1 compression-ratio cylinder heads, plus aftermarket Doug’s headers and exhaust system, and the tires were drag-radial slicks. Hurst Performance carried out several additional modifications.[44]

American Motors rated the car at 340 hp (250 kW), but the National Hot Rod Association ultimately rated it at 420 horsepower (310 kW) and shuffled it among various competition classes: SS/G, SS/D, and SS/C. Its best recorded quarter-mile was 10.73 seconds at 128 mph (206 km/h).[45]

The Super Stock AMX was meant for the race track and lacked comfort equipment such as a heater. The car could be ordered all white, or in the vertical bands of red, white, and blue that distinguished numerous AMC competition cars of the day. Base price was $5,994, some $1,900 more than a fully loaded regular 1969 AMX. There was no factory warranty

There was no turbo on these cars in their three production years. The only turbo in the 60's was on the Chevrolet Corvair Monza in 62-63. The next time a turbo showed up on an American car was in 1978 on a Buick. In between, on production cars, it was BMW, Porsche and Saab. The first production with twin turbos was a Maserati in the 80's.

RadioPatrol
25 Mar 15,, 23:58
America made some good muscle cars. Not the best ones, but most of the good ones. it's hard to pick a favourite. Always wanted to own one of these.



I am going to Split hairs ...

Muscle Cars = American Tradition
57 T-Bird with a 312 Y Block and a Mcculloch SuperCharger
65 / 66 / 67 Mustang or Camaro or Dart
69 Charger or Daytona

etc ...

'Sports Cars' = European / American Tradition

Ferreri
Sunbeam Tiger [this also got a Ford 260]
Austin Healey
Fiat
Porsche
Caterham 7
Fiat Barchetta
Lotus Super 7
Morris Garage


Shelby Cobra 289 and 427 S/C

Corvette is probably in this catagory now ... but it wasn't alwa

DOR
26 Mar 15,, 03:49
I sold a 1967 Mustang V-8 289 3-speed manual to finance my first trip to Asia. Great ROI, but I sure do miss that car.

Stitch
26 Mar 15,, 16:41
What? Maybe you mean this


There was no turbo on these cars in their three production years. The only turbo in the 60's was on the Chevrolet Corvair Monza in 62-63. The next time a turbo showed up on an American car was in 1978 on a Buick. In between, on production cars, it was BMW, Porsche and Saab. The first production with twin turbos was a Maserati in the 80's.

The story goes he installed the turbos himself; I grew up in a fairly affluent neighborhood, and there were more than a few kids who had more money than sense back then. I remember seeing the car a few times as he skipped out of school at lunch time (this was back when you could get away with only taking 3 or 4 classes your senior year; my older brother was one of them). Unfortunately, being a lowly freshman, I never had a chance to inspect the car myself (although my older friends got a gander at it a few times).

tbm3fan
26 Mar 15,, 20:05
I am going to Split hairs ...

Muscle Cars = American Tradition
57 T-Bird with a 312 Y Block and a Mcculloch SuperCharger
65 / 66 / 67 Mustang or Camaro or Dart
69 Charger or Daytona

etc ...

'Sports Cars' = European / American Tradition

Ferreri
Sunbeam Tiger [this also got a Ford 260]
Austin Healey
Fiat
Porsche
Caterham 7
Fiat Barchetta
Lotus Super 7
Morris Garage


Shelby Cobra 289 and 427 S/C

Corvette is probably in this catagory now ... but it wasn't alwa

Going to split hairs even more. A 1957 T-Bird is not a muscle car no matter what engine. It is a personal luxury car. A 65/66/67 Mustang/Camaro/Dart are not muscle cars. First Camaro was not made in 1965 or 1966. Second most Mustangs were sold with either the 289-2V engine and either the 170 or 200 six cylinder. Darts most commonly had the 225 slant six.

There has always been an argument about when the term "muscle car" was first used. The closest many can find seems to be 1965-6 in some American car magazines. Next argument is when did the first muscle car appear. To me that means a production car outfitted with the necessary engine/horsepower that one can buy/order from the dealer. That being the case one could make an argument that the 1964 Pontiac GTO, a 2 door intermediate, was maybe the first. By 1966 one could order a Coronet with Hemi engine. You could also order a 427 Ford Fairlane but many call that a "super car".

My definition is on the narrow side. A 1970 Oldsmobile 98 with a 10.5:1 455 is a luxury car and not a muscle car no matter how fast it is. A Corvette is not a muscle car but a sports car. A standard Mustang, Camaro, Firebird, Charger, Satellite, Coronet, Tempest, and some others with a 170, 200, 225, 289, 307, 318, 327, 350 engines are not muscle cars. Of course those who own them and try to sell them are sure they are muscle cars. A muscle car would be a 383 Roadrunner, a 426 GTO, a 428 CJ Mustang, 454 Camaro, 440 Charger, 426 Hemi Coronet with 3.90 - 4.11 rears which you could buy by checking off a few little boxes. These cars were sold with one thing in mind and it wasn't transportation. It was going the fastest, in a straight line, between stop lights or isolated stretches of road racing for pink slips or bragging rights in a stock off the shelf car.

chakos
27 Mar 15,, 13:28
Going by your theory of what makes a muscle car then why not go euro and leave the US muscle cars for dead?
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RadioPatrol
31 Mar 15,, 23:31
Going to split hairs even more.



Hmm the 68 / 69 Darts could be had with a 383 or was it the 440 ... then there was the Hemi Dart
but I suppose that was a DRAG only vehicle
... then that would have to include the Thunderbolt - a Fairlane with a 427
[race only vehicle]


A 65/66/67 Mustang/Camaro/Dart are not muscle cars. First Camaro was not made in 1965 or 1966. Second most Mustangs were sold with either the 289-2V engine and either the 170 or 200 six cylinder. Darts most commonly had the 225 slant six.


yeah this is true
.... a K Code 66 is not really a muscle car as much as a Go Fast Pony Car