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BUFF
06 Aug 03,, 02:43
Now this is just for fun..the total of aircraft you can have is 1,000, and can use modern or future aircraft.

Fighters and Ground Attack
72 F-15C Eagle
120 F-16C/D Fighting Falcon
68 F-15E Strike Eagle
48 F-111F Aardvark
24 F-117 NightHawks
48 A-10 Warthog
12 F-4G Advanced Wild Weasels

Recconssiance and Patrol Aircraft
6 Nimrod MRA.Mk 4
10 E-767 AWACS
8 E-8C JSTARs
4 E-4B
7 U-2s

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles
16/12 RQ-1/MQ-1 Predator
10 RQ-4 Global Hawk

Bombers
36 B-52H Stratofortress
24 B-1B Stratofortress
8 B-2 Spirit

Transport
18 C-5 Galaxy
48 C-17 Globemaster lll
12 An-124 Condor
24/36 C-130J/J-30

Tankers
48 KC-767
24 KC-130A

Support Helicopters
48 MH-53J PaveLows
36 Merlin HM.Mk1s

total= 793

Bill
06 Aug 03,, 21:57
Can i have 500 F-22's 100 B-52's and 400 A-10's?

LOL

markaspen
06 Aug 03,, 22:16
I think you need to adjust and toss in 4 C-47s just because.

Bill
06 Aug 03,, 23:51
Actually, i'm leaving out all kinds of real neccesities, but since i'd be allied with the US, they could fill in the gaps. ;)

BUFF
07 Aug 03,, 03:30
No need for the C-47 when you got the Herc!

Ironduke
07 Aug 03,, 03:33
Hmm...

100 F-22s
200 F-35s
50 A-10s
20 C-5 Galaxies
10 B-2s
20 AC-130 Gunships
20 B-1s
20 B-52s
100 F-15 C/Es
100 F-16 C/Ds

BUFF
07 Aug 03,, 03:38
Damnit, how could I have forgotten the AC-130 Spectre?!?!?!?!

Bill
07 Aug 03,, 06:08
Y'know, if money is no issue, why use any F-35's at all?

The F-22 is better in every way than all the other F's. The only other F plane i could see is the F-14D as a LR interceptor.

Ironduke
07 Aug 03,, 06:19
True.

Jay
07 Aug 03,, 19:54
cummon...we can have some starships...it includes all "future" fighters :G

Bill
07 Aug 03,, 21:15
LOL, then i want all Defiant class DDG's.

troung
07 Aug 03,, 21:25
Here you go...........................


Strike Fighters
118 Su-30MK (don't ask me why, I normally dislike Russian stuff)

Multi Role Fighters
48 EF-2000 (36/12)
160 F-16A/B Block 15 MLU (130/20)

Recce
18 RF-16A

COIN
12 AC-130B
50 OV-10C/D (30/20)

AWACS
8 E-2T

Tankers
12 KC-135F
12 KC-130H

Maritime Patrol
36 P-3C
50 BN-2

Jet Trainers
80 Hawk 100
40 Hawk 60

Prop Trainers
100 EMB-314

Transports
28 IL-76
40 C-130H/L
36 Cn-235
40 C-212

Attack Helicopters
80 AH-1W
60 MD-530

Transport Helicopters
100 Mi-17MD
50 S-70C
150 UH-1H

Liaison Helicopters
50 BO-105

AAM
AIM-120C-5
R-77PD
AIM-132
R-73E
AIM-9L/M

ASM
Storm Shadow
Kh-59ME
Kh-31A/P
Kh-29L/T
AGM-88C
AGM-84D
AGM-65C/D/G-2
JDAM


ewwwwww did I actually pick Russian stuff? :-(

Bill
07 Aug 03,, 23:13
No Raptors Troung?

BUFF
07 Aug 03,, 23:22
The F/A-22s attack capability should be equal if not better than the F-35A. But both will be very potent when SDBs come into production.

Err...okay I included maybe one or two Russian aircraft...what can I say I am biased?

Bill
07 Aug 03,, 23:25
If i had any Russkie aircraft in my air force, they would all have a designation that started with "Q".

LOL

bigross86
08 Aug 03,, 01:19
150 F-15I
100 F-16I
150 A-10A
50 AC-130U
50 F-4I Karnas 2000
100 HH-60
50 CH-53
100 AH-64D
50 RAH-66
50 B-52H
25 F-117
25 B-2
25 T-1
25 T-38
25 P51-D Mustangs
25 Spifire Mk Iv

BUFF
08 Aug 03,, 02:06
Cool we got an Israeli on the board! Welcome man!

Bill
08 Aug 03,, 02:35
Mark Aspen and ZF boxcar are both Israeli's too i think.

troung
08 Aug 03,, 03:24
"No Raptors Troung?"

Call me old fashioned.

Plus everyone picked the F/A-22A and I like to be on my own side, I'll take my Su-30MKs and F-16 MLU and lose the air war thank you veyr much :t


"Cool we got an Israeli on the board! Welcome man!"

No one cares that I am here............


:(Cry

BUFF
08 Aug 03,, 03:44
Well...welcome troung! :G

bigross86
08 Aug 03,, 13:19
Hey people. I'm one of those guys brought over from the WT. I try not to piss too many people off when discussing something, but I AM a teenager, so if I get way out of bounds during a heated discussion, nothing intentional, and I didn't mean what I said about your mom/dad/wife/bro/sis/aunt/uncle/cat/dog/hamster/gerbil/car.

Stinger
08 Aug 03,, 15:00
200 F-22 (notice no d**n A)
100 F15E
100 F14D (LR BARCAP w/tarps for recon use)
150 A-10
100 A-6E
80 B-52
50 B-1
20 B-2
10 AC-130s

30 KC135/KC10 (would depend on my mood and what kind of deal I could get using my bombers as a levergae tool :D)

10 JStars
10 AWACs
20 F4G Weasels
20 EA-6B

40 C-17
30 C-5
40 C-130

Captain C
10 Aug 03,, 04:39
1000 Peacekeeper ICBM's 'Nuff said

:ph34r

BUFF
10 Aug 03,, 05:13
lol, nice Air Force Captain C.

markaspen
11 Aug 03,, 16:18
Kudos to the man with the biggest warheads.

Captain C
12 Aug 03,, 00:35
Thought you guys would get a big laugh out of that!!!!

If all you get is 1000 aircraft you are a third rate airforce IMHO. To be truly world dominating and entirely capable of devastation on a massive basis I would like the following:
Airforce:

200 B-2 Bombers for strategic attacks
1500 B-52 bombers for carpet bombing cities and some strategic attacks.

3000 F/A-22A's These will provide for air superiority, escort duty for the big boys and ground forces support, as in strikes. You will update these craft with USN type electronics so each aircraft is capable of 'Wild Weasel" duties.

700 hundred tankers to refuel all those birds.

3000 A-10 Warthogs Anti Armor/Ground support

You may think that is a lot of aircraft but you also have to think of wear and tear for a full war and the losses incurred due to parts failure and enemy fire. Also, the F/A-22 will be performing duties of the F-117A, F-15, F-15E, F-16 (All versions and mission variations) and we have a large number of those aircraft types. Why use second class aircraft when you can choose the best. To carpet/fire bomb a city effectively, you need large numbers of aircraft, those aircraft need escorts.

Navy

1200 F-14D/F-21 (New build only!)

These aircraft will perform all Ground Attack/Strike duties performed by the A-6 and all F-18 variations. They will also be used for long range CAP/Interdiction duties. The number may seem high, but again you need spares for wear and tear for a full war and the losses incurred due to parts failure and enemy fire. These aircraft can be supplemented with F-18E/F once they are up to speed with new (much) higher powered engines. Until then no SH!!!!!!

You might also want to make an F-14 tanker version to keep your parts commonality as large as possible. With the Tanker version you add another 150 aircraft on top of what is listed.

Bottom Line

With this combination Airforce/Naval Air combat force you could pretty much take on the world and devastate it in a couple of years. I don't mean knock out things, I mean WWII levels of Devastation as in Japanese cities that were firebombed and leveled. You would of course need a ground force of equally large proportions (25-30 Divisions) to conquer those who don't surrender outright during the early bombing phase....... I am of course talking about taking on the EU, Russians and Red Chinese at the same time, along with kicking a little Arab booty while we are at it.......

:S :ph34r

So do you think I have enough to win WWIII?

BUFF
12 Aug 03,, 04:03
I hope you have a few trillion dollars :D

Captain C
12 Aug 03,, 21:00
Hey, we are talking fantasy here right???? If you're going to have a fantasy, might as well make it a good one!!!!!!

:)Clp

Tritonal
15 Aug 03,, 21:15
Hey, we are talking fantasy here right???? If you're going to have a fantasy, might as well make it a good one!!!!!!


Just have severly reduced social programs in your country; everyone will have to work for a living. :p

bigross86
16 Aug 03,, 19:33
Do the terms "Slave Labor" and "Workers Union" mean anything to you?

Captain C
19 Aug 03,, 04:04
People lived better and had more self respect before welfare!!!!!

:Dbanana

Tritonal
19 Aug 03,, 05:27
Remember Captain C, a man who does not work does not...(fill in the blank)

bigross86
19 Aug 03,, 11:27
Have any money to spend on members of the oposite sex, resulting in rewards from the members of the opposite sex, the way god has decreed must be from the beginning of time?

Captain C
23 Aug 03,, 07:12
Remember Captain C, a man who does not work does not...(fill in the blank)

2Thes:3:10: For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

O:)

bigross86
24 Aug 03,, 09:57
But that would mean that I'd starve!

Captain C
25 Aug 03,, 20:07
Hey, at least you'd die skinny!!!! Beside BR, God only decreed the sex thing as good inside the bonds of marriage.... He's kind of down on the sex before mariage thing...

Leviticus 18:20: Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.

Deuteronomy 22:22-27 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel. If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you. But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.


O:)

bigross86
26 Aug 03,, 10:42
The coolest thing about rape is the woman's revenge. If a guy rapes a woman she's allowed to force him to marry her, and there's nothing he can do to stop it. What's more, he can only get a divorce if she gives it to him, not vice-versa. Be interesting to see who wears the pants in that house...

scimitar
04 Aug 04,, 05:32
4 sqn's of F15E's
5 sqn's of F15I's
4 sqn's of F117's
4 sqn's of A10's

that should warm things up!!!!!

Garry
10 Aug 04,, 17:22
the thing is that cost as a one of the most important criteria of the weapon. This are cost of acquiring, cost of running and cost of maintaining.... So you can't put 1000 raptors on the same plate as 1000 A-10s. Otherwise this expercise make no sence at all.

Another important issue is who would be your potential enemies - if you are China you beter buy Russian staff than become dependent on US supplies. This would make sense for many arab nations as well... - if they go fighting with Israel will US supply them? If they have no plans to fight with Israel then they are no longer limited to Russian weapons. For Australia US weaponry make sense only because there are some synergies in maintaining old systems. There is no point to have Russian and US weapons mixed in one army... you will have a simple problem with standards and supplies. I guess that is what Indians keep on facing with their quite a diverse airforce.

OK. For a European nation I guess US weapons might be beter choise. You are not going to war anyway and even if you do you go for some mission together with Americans.... For African - Russian old planes would be just fine - cheap, easy to operate, can perform roles you need in Africa...
What is really exciting is how Russians will be now selling to Latam, Asia and Middle East!!! I am sure the recent mission in Iraq will really help Russian arm sales. Who knows may be some of these states will buy 1,000 Flankers....

Praxus
10 Aug 04,, 18:30
Plus Western Armies operate under a completly different doctrine and Russian equipment could not fit into that doctrine.

The Chap
08 Oct 04,, 06:57
How'bout throwing this in:

Budget rather than numbers? 1000 kites is all very well. One can have as many toys as required or numbers allow but this is a more challenging numerical boundary. All sources should be at least ball-park. And yes, I know you get bulk discount. Hey, why not say that every billion in bribes etc. gets you 6.5% off planes purchased from any one nation. As many nations as you like, but each bribe only applies to said nation. For example, bribe the US at $2bil. and all costs for US 'planes are 13% cheaper. To begin:

How about pocket money of, oh, $100 bill.

I expect to see a few more CIS aircraft ... :biggrin:

Franco Lolan
10 Oct 04,, 04:23
why do ppl want b-52's? theyre archaic.
get su30mki's (not as bombers, as air superiority fighers)

xxxxx
16 Oct 04,, 02:44
Now this is just for fun..the total of aircraft you can have is 1,000, and can use modern or future aircraft.

Fighters and Ground Attack
72 F-15C Eagle
120 F-16C/D Fighting Falcon
68 F-15E Strike Eagle
48 F-111F Aardvark
24 F-117 NightHawks
48 A-10 Warthog
12 F-4G Advanced Wild Weasels

Recconssiance and Patrol Aircraft
6 Nimrod MRA.Mk 4
10 E-767 AWACS
8 E-8C JSTARs
4 E-4B
7 U-2s

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles
16/12 RQ-1/MQ-1 Predator
10 RQ-4 Global Hawk

Bombers
36 B-52H Stratofortress
24 B-1B Stratofortress
8 B-2 Spirit

Transport
18 C-5 Galaxy
48 C-17 Globemaster lll
12 An-124 Condor
24/36 C-130J/J-30

Tankers
48 KC-767
24 KC-130A

Support Helicopters
48 MH-53J PaveLows
36 Merlin HM.Mk1s

total= 793

what about ancient aircraft?

I'd like a couple of Deathstars. Alright? ;)

of course i'd be allied with the Imperium (before the big uprising of the Rebels), which would provide any support needed.

-{SpoonmaN}-
19 Oct 04,, 10:59
I'd probably go for:

Combat:
240 F-22
240 F-35A
144 F-35B
64 A-10
64 FB-22
64 B-1
12 AC-130

Surveillence/Intelligence:
20 P-3
12 SR-71
20 Predator UAV
8 E-767 AWACS

Support:
40 KC-767
12 KC-130

Transport:
48 C-130
12 C-5

InVada
31 Oct 04,, 01:38
INTERCEPTOR
96 F/A-22 Raptor

FIGHTER/BOMBERS
240 F/A-18E/F SuperHornet
84 F-111G Aardvark "PIG"
24 F-117 Nighthawk
16 B-1B Lancer
36 A-10 Warthog
36 F/A-18F Growler

MULTI-ROLE TANKERS/TRANSPORT/RECC/PATROL
36 Airbus A330-200 Tanker
24 KC-135
12 Boeing Wedgetail AEW&C
12 C-5 Galaxy
24 C-17 Globemaster
48 C-130J Hercules
12 RF-111G
36 AP-3C Orion

JET/PROP TRAINERS
108 Hawk Mk 127
84 PC-9

UAV's
12 Global Hawk
24 Predators

HELICOPTERS
36 NH-90

Kipruss
31 Oct 04,, 05:29
5 C130Hs, 6 P-3K Orions, 14 Iroquois, 2 757-200s and some A4 Skyhawks "up on blocks" and waiting for sale. Oh wait, that is our Airforce!

-{SpoonmaN}-
31 Oct 04,, 12:57
New Zealander eh? Why not buy a nice cheap replacement like the Gripen?

ajaybhutani
31 Oct 04,, 16:19
Well friends why dont we decide on some budget and then frame an air force. If there was no constraint on how much we can spend There would have been missiles being fired from American Space sattlites... just kidding....
I propose a budget of 50 B$ for complet procurement of Fighters air bases and missiles etc.. What do ya say will be good in such a scenario ?

ASG
31 Oct 04,, 23:32
here we go!!

F-22 - 500
A-110 - 200
B-2 - 200
KC-135 Extender - 50
E-767 AWACS - 50

Kipruss
01 Nov 04,, 06:53
It might be nice to have the Gripen but we don't really want to kill anyone that much. We had the Skyhawks for decades and never tried to kill anyone with them (although we did scare a Korean vessel fishing illegally in our waters by firing across their bow!) Anyway, our fighter pilots seem to all have found work with the Aussie/ English or other friendly nations airforces.

Garry
02 Nov 04,, 10:43
many of you put C-5 Galaxy into top picks.....
be aware that the jet is out of production more than a decade since 1990...... to resume their production you would need to order 20-30 jets - that is hardly possible

so if you want anything like this you would need to order An-124, which has slightly higher capacity and cheaper operating cost

PFCBroccoli
08 Nov 04,, 23:41
Because I like the A-10:

500 A-10s
400 JSFs
100 assorted other aircraft that im way to lazy to name.

The Chap
09 Nov 04,, 04:15
It might be nice to have the Gripen but we don't really want to kill anyone that much. We had the Skyhawks for decades and never tried to kill anyone with them (although we did scare a Korean vessel fishing illegally in our waters by firing across their bow!) Anyway, our fighter pilots seem to all have found work with the Aussie/ English or other friendly nations airforces.

And many of y'special forces tooo ;) :biggrin:

Is Wellinton still dull :) :tongue:

I forgot: If all evil needs to win etc. is for good men to do nothing:
Who are the evil men
Who decides
Same goes for th "good" men
What indeed are said gentle men s'posed to do either way?

Whilst with the sentiment, I always get a touch concerned about definitions ...

Franco Lolan
09 Nov 04,, 04:40
why is C5 not being produced any longer?

s_qwert63
09 Nov 04,, 17:55
25 P51-D Mustangs
25 Spifire Mk Iv


What the **** are those for?!

-{SpoonmaN}-
10 Nov 04,, 07:06
I'm guessing they're there to divert attention away from the aircraft that have been produced in the last 50 years.

Cjwinnit
07 Dec 04,, 15:33
Strike:600

250x Typhoon (omnirole)
100x F-22 Raptor (air dominance)
100x GR4 Tornado (tac recce/strike)
75x Tu-160 Blackjack (heavy bomber)
25x B-2 Spirit (stealth bomber)



Tactical support:180

70x Merlin
40x A330-200 (tanker)
30x Chinook
20x Nimrod Mra.4 (anti-naval)
10x E-3 Sentry (AWACS)
5x U-2 Dragon Lady(recon/BDA)
5x ASTOR (E-8 maybe?) (tac AWACS)



Transport:120

65x C-130 Hercules
20x A340
15x C-17 Globemaster
10x An-124 Condor
10x random assorted transport (vip stuff etc..)



75x Aermacchi M-346 trainers.
other assorted trainers.

alexis
07 Dec 04,, 18:56
I would go for

200 f-22
150 Su 30MKI
72 MiG 31

120 Su 25 upgraded

100 B-52s
100 B2s

36 Phalcons AWACS
24 Predator UAVs
36 AP-3C Orion

40 IL 78 tankers

60 AH-64
40 Mi 17
20 CH-47

50 Hawk trainers
As this is a theoretical airforce, i think RUs-US combo is allowed.

Cjwinnit
07 Dec 04,, 19:43
I would go for

200 f-22
150 Su 30MKI
72 MiG 31

120 Su 25 upgraded

100 B-52s
100 B2s

36 Phalcons AWACS
24 Predator UAVs
36 AP-3C Orion

40 IL 78 tankers

60 AH-64
40 Mi 17
20 CH-47

50 Hawk trainers
As this is a theoretical airforce, i think RUs-US combo is allowed.

Touché, but you are 34 over ;)

-{SpoonmaN}-
08 Dec 04,, 06:58
Why dosen't the RNZAF buy some Hawk-200s or some AMX-As, and they could buy the training version of either aircraft as well. Then you'd at least have SOMETHING that can fight. And they'd be damn cheap too.

Bill
08 Dec 04,, 08:43
"why do ppl want b-52's? theyre archaic."

Because they still do the job as well as anything around.

dave angel
08 Dec 04,, 11:13
my wish list assumes that there won't be enough money in the pot to build 4 large (80,000 ton) aircraft carriers.

20 B2
140 F-22
160 F-15E
160 Harrier (AMRAAM compatable) GR9 for RN and JHF
60 AH-64

40 Global Hawk
20 E3 AWACS
20 Nimrod

60 C-130J
40 AN-124
80 Tankers
80 Chinook
120 Merlin

the main emphasis being on strike/ground attack, strategic reconaisance and airlift capability.

Garry
10 Dec 04,, 11:31
why is C5 not being produced any longer?

Volga-Dnepr, a company, which was carrying US troops to Iraq on An-124, told me that C-5 Galaxy is too costly in operation and very inefficient as a transport aircraft despite its size..... that is why US Army hired Russian and Ukrainian airlines to transport their troops with Russian/Ukrainian An-124......

ecomomics matter in recent times.....

Bluesman
12 Dec 04,, 01:42
No one cares that I am here............


:(Cry

Chao anh troung. When I was in Vietnamese school, my name was Nghia. :cool:

alexis
12 Dec 04,, 05:36
Touché, but you are 34 over ;)


They are attrition replacements.. :biggrin:

vipul
03 Jan 05,, 11:09
My dream air force is:

Primary Strike Aircrafts

250 F-35
250 Pak-fa
250 Su-30Mki

Secondary

100 Mirage-2000\05
100 F-16 Block-50
100 Mig-29
200 Lca

40 Tu-160
150 MCA

100 Mi-35
100 LCH
100 Ka-50\52
25 Lah

30 Mi-26
125 Mi-17
50 ALH
40 Chinook
60 other transport helicopters ( if any one want to suggest)

7 Falcon + 15 (Indian built Awacs after 7 years)
30 Il-78 refuelers

20 Mig-25
25 P-3c Orion
30 Tu-22 Backfire

100 Predator
100 Global Hawk
100 Heron
100 Nishant\Lakshya

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

So my air force would be World's best Air Force.( My Air Force would be in accordance with IAF.)

hello
31 May 05,, 10:42
hello im new to this and it seems 2 yrs late. anyway so. . .


1500 FA22
750 F35
250 f117
250 B2
250 b1
750 FA18ef
750 f35c
1000 f14d
400 kc135
50 e767
25 e3
500 rah66
75 pavelow
25 e2

who needs f15, fi6, f4

Aurel
31 May 05,, 17:25
Hm, since I'm new, too: lets resurrect this thread.
I try to stick to the original 1000 airframes limit.
180 F-23
180 X-47C Pegasus UCAV
180 Mirage-2000-9
60 A-330 MRTT
60 A-400M
20 C-17
5 Wedgetail
15 P-8A
60 Mi-28N
180 EH-101

Joseph
01 Jun 05,, 05:16
Only planes? :frown:
No Pilot,bases,money,fuel,technicians,commanders etc :frown:

Oh may be all are UAC and UCAV's

scoop
01 Jun 05,, 12:02
hmm lets see

200 f22-raptors
200 su30MKI
200 mig-29
100 b52
100 assorted planes for diff things like recce,awacs,anti-sub etc
100 bombers like tu-22 backfire,tu-160,b2 etc
50 f-177a
45 jaguars
5- star trek cruisers

hello
01 Jun 05,, 17:28
Hm, since I'm new, too: lets resurrect this thread.
I try to stick to the original 1000 airframes limit.
180 F-23
180 X-47C Pegasus UCAV
180 Mirage-2000-9
60 A-330 MRTT
60 A-400M
20 C-17
5 Wedgetail
15 P-8A
60 Mi-28N
180 EH-101

Hello Aurel,

As one of the previous replies says you really cant have only a puny 1000 aircraft.
That wouldn't do much really.

:rolleyes:

To prove my point here is what Captain C said

"If all you get is 1000 aircraft you are a third rate airforce IMHO. To be truly world dominating and entirely capable of devastation on a massive basis I would like the following:
Airforce:

200 B-2 Bombers for strategic attacks
1500 B-52 bombers for carpet bombing cities and some strategic attacks.

3000 F/A-22A's These will provide for air superiority, escort duty for the big boys and ground forces support, as in strikes. You will update these craft with USN type electronics so each aircraft is capable of 'Wild Weasel" duties.

700 hundred tankers to refuel all those birds.

3000 A-10 Warthogs Anti Armor/Ground support

You may think that is a lot of aircraft but you also have to think of wear and tear for a full war and the losses incurred due to parts failure and enemy fire. Also, the F/A-22 will be performing duties of the F-117A, F-15, F-15E, F-16 (All versions and mission variations) and we have a large number of those aircraft types. Why use second class aircraft when you can choose the best. To carpet/fire bomb a city effectively, you need large numbers of aircraft, those aircraft need escorts.

Navy

1200 F-14D/F-21 (New build only!)

These aircraft will perform all Ground Attack/Strike duties performed by the A-6 and all F-18 variations. They will also be used for long range CAP/Interdiction duties. The number may seem high, but again you need spares for wear and tear for a full war and the losses incurred due to parts failure and enemy fire. These aircraft can be supplemented with F-18E/F once they are up to speed with new (much) higher powered engines. Until then no SH!!!!!!

You might also want to make an F-14 tanker version to keep your parts commonality as large as possible. With the Tanker version you add another 150 aircraft on top of what is listed.

Bottom Line

With this combination Airforce/Naval Air combat force you could pretty much take on the world and devastate it in a couple of years. I don't mean knock out things, I mean WWII levels of Devastation as in Japanese cities that were firebombed and leveled. You would of course need a ground force of equally large proportions (25-30 Divisions) to conquer those who don't surrender outright during the early bombing phase....... I am of course talking about taking on the EU, Russians and Red Chinese at the same time, along with kicking a little Arab booty while we are at it.......

:S :ph34r

So do you think I have enough to win WWIII?
. "

By the way, what's a Wedgetail?

indianguy4u
01 Jun 05,, 17:32
My dream AF will be

SU-30 MKI - 350,
SU-35/37(THE MULTI ROLE ONE ) -180,
LCA-TEJAS - 600,
APACHE HELO - 120,
IL 76 - 80,
MI 26 - 50,
ALH(DHRUV) - 150,
PAKFA - 150,
Mig 33 - 80.
PHALCON - 10,
IJT/AJT - 150,
MCA - 100.

This is what i want IAF to have . I will like to decommisioned all the migs 21,23,27 as well as jaguars & mig 29s. In place of it LCA & su 35/37 ACs

hello
01 Jun 05,, 17:42
Hi Indianguy4u.
Are you new too?
If you are, well I'm also from India, from Delhi.
And according to you the IAF should have such a little amount of aircraft.
If they were to have so little aircraft what would happen? :eek:

indianguy4u
01 Jun 05,, 17:51
helloooooooooooo to hello . Kya kar raha hai yaar. Also do log on to Asian disc forum .U will enjoy the debate over there.

indianguy4u
01 Jun 05,, 17:55
And according to you the IAF should have such a little amount of aircraft.
If they were to have so little aircraft what would happen?

Do the maths yaar . how much is 350+600+180.
I think 1130 AC is good enough no.s . Whats use of more than that ?
With these no.s IAF can easily be the top AF in Asia Pacific region

hammer
01 Jun 05,, 18:52
This is my list.

SU-30 MKI Mark III - 400
F-16I 'SUFA' (Israeli version) - 300
Mirage 2000-9 - 300
A-10 warthog - 100
F117a - 50
B-52 stratofortress - 200

Phalcon AWACS - 15
IL 78 (A-A refuellers) - 15
IL 76 - 100
MI 17- 200
ALH(DHRUV) - 200
MI 26 - 50

Predator - 100
Global Hawk - 100
Nishant - 100

highsea
01 Jun 05,, 19:02
...By the way, what's a Wedgetail?Boeing 737-700 AEW&C.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/737aewc/

Aurel
02 Jun 05,, 00:11
As one of the previous replies says you really cant have only a puny 1000 aircraft.
Who says the purpose is to conquer the world ? With your argument I could say give me 500.000 H-6 and the same number of F-7M and I could conquer the world, too.

And by the way, which modern-day airforce would be able to withstand my airforce ?
I could really challenge the USAF, while not winning it.

The Russians would have serious problems. What do they have to counter 180 F-23 ? (more then the USAF will recieve Raptors) Some MiG-31 ? How many of their Flankers/Fulcrums are able to use R-77 ? Most of them are limited to R-27.

The RAF/AdlA/JASDF/Luftwaffe would be toast and which powerful airforce is left ? Chinese/Indian MIG-21 swarms ?

hello
02 Jun 05,, 03:23
I'm replying to you yaar.Do you have to speak in Hindi/Hinglish in this forum?

To Aurel: If your challenging so many airforces with your thousand or so aircraft then they'd crush you. Plus the F-22 Raptor is better than the F-23.

hello
02 Jun 05,, 03:45
hello im new to this and it seems 2 yrs late. anyway so. . .


1500 FA22
750 F35
250 f117
250 B2
250 b1
750 FA18ef
750 f35c
1000 f14d
400 kc135
50 e767
25 e3
500 rah66
75 pavelow
25 e2

who needs f15, fi6, f4

Actually this would be better with the addition of:

250 fb22
100 Predator
100 X45
100 X47

indianguy4u
02 Jun 05,, 07:32
I'm replying to you yaar.Do you have to speak in Hindi/Hinglish in this forum?
yes I like hindi & hinglish

hello
14 Jun 05,, 13:42
Let's change the rules slightly. If you can have maximum 7000 aircraft (including support), cost no problem as this is just for fun, and can only use current or past tech than mine would be the same as before except slightly changed.

1000 F/A-22 Raptor
750 F-14E Tomcat (Carrier based)
750 F-35A JSF
500 F-35B JSF STOVL (300 land base, 200 carrier)
500 F-35C JSF CV (Carrier based)
450 F/A-18E/F SuperHornet (400 carrier based, 50 land)
300 X/A-45 UCAV
250 X/A-47 Pegasus (Carrier based)

150 B-1B Lancer
100 B-2 Spirit

150 KC-767
50 KC-10
50 Hornet tanker (Carrier based)

50 E-737
25 E-2D (Carrier based)
20 Pavelow Enhanced

10 V-22
10 C-130

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

magic-spaceship
24 Jun 05,, 07:52
Hmmm


Lets see

Fighter/ Attack

500 Super Phantoms (love that bird) - rebuilt with new engines/electronics/radar

2,000 JSF's - 500 carrier based

1,000 - Super F14's

1,800 F/A22's - got to have em

1,000 F/B22's

2,000 A10's - new build with upgraded with modern electronics and more powerful engines/30mm ammo

Bomber/Attack

1,000 B52's - newbuild - with modern electronics - more powerful engines, reduced crew

1,000 B2's - just for the hell of it

1,000 B1B's

Support

2,000 C17's

2,000 C130's - new build, modern electronics, updated engine

1,000 C5's - new build, modern electronics, updated engines

5,000 - 7,000 KC-767's

1,000 MV22's

1,000 V22's

Special Op's

500 AC-17's

1,000 AC-130's - based on my new build C-130's

500 AV-22's


(more comming got to sleep :rolleyes: )

hello
30 Jun 05,, 06:53
Hmmm


Lets see

Fighter/ Attack

500 Super Phantoms (love that bird) - rebuilt with new engines/electronics/radar

2,000 JSF's - 500 carrier based

1,000 - Super F14's

1,800 F/A22's - got to have em

1,000 F/B22's

2,000 A10's - new build with upgraded with modern electronics and more powerful engines/30mm ammo

Bomber/Attack

1,000 B52's - newbuild - with modern electronics - more powerful engines, reduced crew

1,000 B2's - just for the hell of it

1,000 B1B's

Support

2,000 C17's

2,000 C130's - new build, modern electronics, updated engine

1,000 C5's - new build, modern electronics, updated engines

5,000 - 7,000 KC-767's

1,000 MV22's

1,000 V22's

Special Op's

500 AC-17's

1,000 AC-130's - based on my new build C-130's

500 AV-22's


(more comming got to sleep :rolleyes: )

Wow! 25,300 planes! :rolleyes: :eek:

magic-spaceship
10 Jul 05,, 06:18
and Im not done :biggrin:

hello
10 Jul 05,, 11:33
and Im not done :biggrin:

Then why don't you say the rest? You've been sleeping for all this time? :rolleyes:

Equilibrium
06 Aug 05,, 04:17
This thread is so interesting, I might as well temporarily resucitate it from its temporary comatose state.

My airforce limited to the original 1000 would be composed of the following:

Bombers and C4I
30 B 52H- The ultimate nuclear penetration variant- capable of carrying 24 cruise
missiles with hundreads of miles of range with either nuclear or
conventional warheads.

30 B 52D- The true modified area bomber variant, capable of carrying approx 100
500lb bombs.

2 E-4B- I might have direct my airforce's battle operations, not to mention my
strategic nuclear deterrent should it be neccesary.

2 VC-25A I must travel with the perception of power and majesty befitting my
position.

20 B-2-

10 E-3 AWACS
2 EC-135 Looking Glass
6 Airborne Laser E-4

Fighter-Bomber
50 F-117
100 F35
100 F-22
70 F/A-18E
70 F-15I
20 F-105 Wld Weasel
40 A-10

Transport
30-C130
10 C5
15 C17
20 CH 53
20 Osprey

ICBM's
20 Peacekeeper
40 Minuteman III
10 SS-18

Su-47MKI
06 Aug 05,, 05:36
hmm...i would make my airforce with a mix of various aircraft from all over the world.


Fighters:

2000 Su-30MKI
1000 Su-37
1000 F/A-22
1000 Su-47
2000 F-35
1000 F-14D
2000 F-15(C,E,I)
1000 F/A-18E/F
3000 Mirage-2005
1000 Rafale
2000 MiG-29SMT

Strike:

1000 Su-34
1000 A-10s
1000 Sepecat Jaguars

Bombers:

500 B-2
1000 B-1bs
1000 Tu-160s
2000 B-52s
1000 F-117

Transport:

1000 An-225
1000 Il-76
1000 C-5
2000 C-130
1000 C-17


Support:

300 Phalcon AWACS mounted on Il-76 platforms
200 E-3 Awacs
2000 KC-767 Tanker
1000 AC-130 Gunships

35000 Aircraft...this would only be possible if, say, Russia, China, Mongolia and India combined to make a supercountry...

ajaybhutani
06 Aug 05,, 11:46
dude think about the logistics support..


hmm...i would make my airforce with a mix of various aircraft from all over the world.


Fighters:

2000 Su-30MKI
1000 Su-37
1000 F/A-22
1000 Su-47
2000 F-35
1000 F-14D
2000 F-15(C,E,I)
1000 F/A-18E/F
3000 Mirage-2005
1000 Rafale
2000 MiG-29SMT

Strike:

1000 Su-34
1000 A-10s
1000 Sepecat Jaguars

Bombers:

500 B-2
1000 B-1bs
1000 Tu-160s
2000 B-52s
1000 F-117

Transport:

1000 An-225
1000 Il-76
1000 C-5
2000 C-130
1000 C-17


Support:

300 Phalcon AWACS mounted on Il-76 platforms
200 E-3 Awacs
2000 KC-767 Tanker
1000 AC-130 Gunships

35000 Aircraft...this would only be possible if, say, Russia, China, Mongolia and India combined to make a supercountry...

magic-spaceship
09 Aug 05,, 03:08
Hmmm


Lets see

Fighter/ Attack

500 Super Phantoms (love that bird) - rebuilt with new engines/electronics/radar

2,000 JSF's - 500 carrier based

1,000 - Super F14's

1,800 F/A22's - got to have em

1,000 F/B22's

2,000 A10's - new build with upgraded with modern electronics and more powerful engines/30mm ammo

Bomber/Attack

1,000 B52's - newbuild - with modern electronics - more powerful engines, reduced crew

1,000 B2's - just for the hell of it

1,000 B1B's

Support

2,000 C17's

2,000 C130's - new build, modern electronics, updated engine

1,000 C5's - new build, modern electronics, updated engines

5,000 - 7,000 KC-767's

1,000 MV22's

1,000 V22's

Special Op's

500 AC-17's

1,000 AC-130's - based on my new build C-130's

500 AV-22's


(more comming got to sleep :rolleyes: )


50 CB-17 Globmasters - converted as heavy platform for saturation launches of
the stealthy AGM-137 TSSAM (Tri-Service Standoff Attack Missile), and
AGM 136 Tacit Rainbow anti-radiation loitering missles to be sent in after the
AGM-137's to attack any radars that come on after the initial AGM-137 strike

1,000 F18G ECM

1,000 EF-111 Raven ECM - rebuilt with new engines and new electronics

5,000 Minute Man Silos

2,000 Midgetman Hardened Mobile Launches


still thinking of some more

basicaly my airforce is a wet dream - but it pawns

hello
09 Aug 05,, 11:40
50 CB-17 Globmasters - converted as heavy platform for saturation launches of
the stealthy AGM-137 TSSAM (Tri-Service Standoff Attack Missile), and
AGM 136 Tacit Rainbow anti-radiation loitering missles to be sent in after the
AGM-137's to attack any radars that come on after the initial AGM-137 strike

1,000 F18G ECM

1,000 EF-111 Raven ECM - rebuilt with new engines and new electronics

5,000 Minute Man Silos

2,000 Midgetman Hardened Mobile Launches


still thinking of some more

basicaly my airforce is a wet dream - but it pawns

Even after you've added this second list of aircraft your airforce is 34,350 which is still 650 aircraft short of Su47s airforce of 35000. :eek:
My airforce is less than 10000 and many people have stuck to the 1000-plane limit.

longcat
12 Aug 05,, 01:41
how about 500 f 22s 200 b 2s and 300 a 10s

magic-spaceship
12 Aug 05,, 06:34
Even after you've added this second list of aircraft your airforce is 34,350 which is still 650 aircraft short of Su47s airforce of 35000. :eek:
My airforce is less than 10000 and many people have stuck to the 1000-plane limit.


limits are for sissies :tongue:

B.Smitty
16 Aug 05,, 04:01
Now this is just for fun..the total of aircraft you can have is 1,000, and can use modern or future aircraft.



Ok, a bit contrived, but what the heck,

FIghter & Strike Aircraft
230 x F/A-22 Block 40
80 x B-2C "Conventional" Spirits
171 x F-35C (enough for 3xCVF sized carriers plus some spares and training)
20 x EF-18G (would rather have an F/A-22 or F-35 jammer)
10 x AC-130U

Intelligence, Surveillance, Recon
10 x E-10 Spiral 1 (MP-RTIP)
20 x E-10 Spiral 2 (AWACS)
10 x E-10 Spiral 3 (ELINT)
10 x E-2C+ Advanced Hawkeyes (carrier-born)
20 x RQ-4B Global Hawk (MP-RTIP)
30 x MQ-9A Predator B
20 x 737 MMA

4 x Acquacade SIGINT satellites
4 x Intruder COMINT/ELINT satellites
4 x KH-12 IMINT satellites
4 x Discoverer II SAR/GMTI satellites
20 x various SATCOM satellites
33 x GPS BLock II F satellites

Support
20 x KC-33A (747-400F based tanker conversion)
20 x A330 MRTT
45 x A400M (with tanker pods)
45 x C-17
30 x CH-53 HLR
20 x CV-22
70 x NH90

Traning
20 x T-6 Texan II Primary Trainer
20 x EADS Mako LIFT
10 x Su-30MKI (DACT)
10 x Mig-29SMT-2 (DACT)


Total = 1000

kargal
29 Aug 05,, 02:30
Hey, we are talking fantasy here right???? If you're going to have a fantasy, might as well make it a good one!!!!!!

:)Clp


Now we are talking.
" I WILL GRAB MY WORLD AND TAKE IT TO MARS"
leave you guy's here in space. Keep fighting :)

B.Smitty
30 Aug 05,, 14:46
limits are for sissies :tongue:

Perhaps, but not playing by the rules of the game is childish.

Garry
30 Aug 05,, 17:11
Traning
20 x T-6 Texan II Primary Trainer
20 x EADS Mako LIFT
10 x Su-30MKI (DACT)
10 x Mig-29SMT-2 (DACT)


I guess that both Su-30MKI and MiG-29SMT-2 are too inefficient to be a trainer aircraft. In fact any battle aircraft is inefficient trainer. The resource of the aircraft - hours it can fly and number of landing/take off cycles is limited - training flights on actual fighter may exaust aircraft like it happens now in India. In addition to that aircrafts which are not designed as trainers have costly engines to replace.

That is why a whole range of special sub-sonic trainers were designed. These have cheaper engines to replace and higher resource in terms of hours and take off/landing cycles. The justification is that only 5% of training requires super sonic capabilities.

In my view Russian Yak-130 and its Italian copy Aermacchi M346 are the best trainers at the moment......

miglover5
30 Aug 05,, 17:55
1000 aircraft!
Well, the Belgian aircomponent doesn't have so many aircrafts!


fighters

75 x jas gripen

200 x f/a-22A raptor(can't do without them these days I think)

100 x su-30MKI

50 x eurofighters

75 x f/a-18e superhornet

80 x f-35A jsf

20 x f-16c falcon 'wild weasel'

Bombers/attackers

25 x tu-160 blackjack

25 x b-2C spirit

50 x a-10

50 x f/b-22

recon/patrol

25 x br-1150 atlantique

15 x airbus a310 aew

5 x e-8 jstars

transport

65 x airbus a400M

15 x an-125 condor

uav

15 x rq-1 predator

15 x rq-4 global hawk

tankers

20 x airbus a310 mrt

helicopters

50 x pah-2 tiger

75 x augusta a-109

50 x eh101 merlin

B.Smitty
30 Aug 05,, 23:08
I guess that both Su-30MKI and MiG-29SMT-2 are too inefficient to be a trainer aircraft. In fact any battle aircraft is inefficient trainer. The resource of the aircraft - hours it can fly and number of landing/take off cycles is limited - training flights on actual fighter may exaust aircraft like it happens now in India. In addition to that aircrafts which are not designed as trainers have costly engines to replace.



I don't use them as trainers, per se. I use them as aggressors in Dissimilar Air Combat Training (DACT).

My primary trainers are 20 x T-6 Texan IIs and 20 x EADS Mako LIFTs.

B.Smitty
31 Aug 05,, 00:48
1000 aircraft!
fighters

75 x jas gripen

200 x f/a-22A raptor(can't do without them these days I think)

100 x su-30MKI

50 x eurofighters

75 x f/a-18e superhornet

80 x f-35A jsf

20 x f-16c falcon 'wild weasel'


Who so many types? I can see NavAir vs AF, but why Gripen, Flanker, Falcon, JSF and Raptor? 'Bout the only reason I can think of is one helluva DACT fleet.




Bombers/attackers

25 x tu-160 blackjack

25 x b-2C spirit

50 x a-10

50 x f/b-22


Why Blackjacks and Batwings? Why not either/or? (B-2s are far more capable, BTW)

IMHO, A-10s are a waste in this type of exercise, but whatever.. ;)



tankers

20 x airbus a310 mrt


A310 MRTTs are relatively small hose-and-drogue only tankers. That means you can't use them to refuel your F-22s, F-35s, F-16s, B-2s, FB-22s, A-10s, or E-8s, and I kinda doubt they can handle any Russian aircraft.

Better to use the larger A330 MRTTs or KC-767s, with both hose-and-drogue and boom capabilities. Plus, they both have significantly larger fuel offload capability.

B.Smitty
31 Aug 05,, 01:52
Bombers and C4I
30 B 52H- The ultimate nuclear penetration variant- capable of carrying 24 cruise
missiles with hundreads of miles of range with either nuclear or
conventional warheads.

30 B 52D- The true modified area bomber variant, capable of carrying approx 100
500lb bombs.

2 E-4B- I might have direct my airforce's battle operations, not to mention my
strategic nuclear deterrent should it be neccesary.

2 VC-25A I must travel with the perception of power and majesty befitting my
position.

20 B-2-


B-52s are nice if you actually have to worry about money, but in this thread, might as well go for all B-2s. Batwings can fire JASSMs and carry large amounts of ordinance, but BUFFs can't penetrate a sophisticated IADS.



10 E-3 AWACS
2 EC-135 Looking Glass
6 Airborne Laser E-4


Decent, though only 10 E-3s will make it tough to put up round the clock coverage over more than a couple areas for any length of time. Plus you lack a SAR/GMTI capability.

ABLs are neat, but I'd invest more in ISR capabilities.




Fighter-Bomber
50 F-117
100 F35
100 F-22
70 F/A-18E
70 F-15I
20 F-105 Wld Weasel
40 A-10


If you have F-22s and F-35s, then Nighthawks aren't needed.

F-22s can do everything F-15s can do and a LOT more.

F-105s are museum pieces.

A-10s, eh.. your airforce, not mine. ;)



ICBM's
20 Peacekeeper
40 Minuteman III
10 SS-18


ICBMs are an interesting choice here, but why not just go all Peacekeeper? If you're gonna start lobbing them, might as well have enough MIRVs to irradiated the whole planet..

miglover5
03 Sep 05,, 17:22
[QUOTE=B.Smitty]Who so many types? I can see NavAir vs AF, but why Gripen, Flanker, Falcon, JSF and Raptor? 'Bout the only reason I can think of is one helluva DACT fleet.


Every type of plane has it's one benefits. F.e. the gripen is a good point defence fighter because is is designed to operate from highways and it has an excellent thrust/weight ratio; the f/a-18e is a good strike aircraft because of its high payload; ...

By the way, exept for the f-16c those aircrafts aren't combat tested yet, and I think you can't rely on statistics...

There are so many types of planes in my airforce because I think it is a sort of insurance policy...

akash
03 Sep 05,, 21:19
1000 Peacekeeper ICBM's 'Nuff said

:ph34r


Awesome!! My airforce would look something like that. LOL :biggrin:

B.Smitty
04 Sep 05,, 21:00
[QUOTE=B.Smitty]Every type of plane has it's one benefits. F.e. the gripen is a good point defence fighter because is is designed to operate from highways and it has an excellent thrust/weight ratio; the f/a-18e is a good strike aircraft because of its high payload; ...

By the way, exept for the f-16c those aircrafts aren't combat tested yet, and I think you can't rely on statistics...

There are so many types of planes in my airforce because I think it is a sort of insurance policy...


Gripen doesn't have close to the T/W of an F-22, Typhoon or even Su-30MKI, and if you're forced to fight a war from highways, you're screwed. Plus it has miserable range. Fine if you want to defend the local Quick-E-Mart, but terrible if you actually want to take the war to the enemy.

The biggest thing going for the Super Hornet is it can land on carriers, otherwise it's nothing special. Both the F-22 and Su-30MKI can out carry it, and the F-22 will eat its lunch in A2A.

Combat testing is nice, but not essential. I'll take untested F-22s over all the other comat tested types out there and sleep well at night. The fact of the matter is, we know stealth works, and the F-22 is one of the stealthiest out there. Add to that it's world-beating kinematic performance, and the only thing you need to worry about is rebooting your avionics in flight. :eek:

The best thing about the F-16C is its price. But since we aren't dollar constrained in this exercise, it's not all that special. A useful HARM shooter perhaps (but then again, so is the F/A-18E)

An insurance policy is maybe two types (with different engines). More than that is a waste, IMHO.