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Minskaya
08 Jan 14,, 11:34
A peek into Afghan war policy from an insider. Sobering.

Obama 'can't stand Karzai', lacks faith in Afghan war strategy (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-08/obama-didnt-believe-his-own-war-strategy-gates/5191092)

Mihais
08 Jan 14,, 11:37
A peek into Afghan war policy from an insider. Sobering.

Obama 'can't stand Karzai', lacks faith in Afghan war strategy (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-08/obama-didnt-believe-his-own-war-strategy-gates/5191092)


Before I even read it,the conclusion is that Obama is either stupid ,malevolent or both.

Minskaya
08 Jan 14,, 12:00
Before I even read it,the conclusion is that Obama is either stupid ,malevolent or both.
It's not that simplistic. At 574 pages, his memoir as SoD under Obama should be interesting reading.

Mihais
08 Jan 14,, 12:23
Simple it is.Simplistic ,I don't think so.Obama had 7 years to make up his mind on A-stan before he became POTUS.He had 5 years to implement whatever he decided.
The result of his thoughts and actions is defeat and shame.With more wasted blood and money in the meantime.
Interesting the memories of Gates may be.But if they just say the same thing with more words...

Triple C
08 Jan 14,, 14:26
WSJ has a free excerpt. You think Gate's harsh on Obama? Wait until he starts on the Congress. Find the text interesting and dispassionate, so far.

astralis
08 Jan 14,, 14:32
overall gist from the newspaper summaries seems to be that Obama, in the end, made all the correct decisions (well, correct according to Gates).

but in the process of doing so, the administration had to go through a significant amount of political infighting and political posturing, with obama showing little trust in his generals.

it'll certainly be a very interesting read.

Dreadnought
08 Jan 14,, 15:38
Good, Bad or indifferent, I always admired Gates point of views. As far as I can see he has pretty much been a strait shooter through two Presidencies. That is not to say he is "perfect" by any means. And I do admire him for taking charge of the Boy Scouts.

Triple C
08 Jan 14,, 16:40
So far, from the WSJ excerpt and NYT concis, Gates said the following things about Obama.

Cons:
Micromanagement
Trusts only a small coterie of advisers
Suspicious of senior commanders
Sleek politician
Self-Doubt

Pro:
Rigorous thinker
Authorization of raid on Bin Laden's compound “one of the most courageous decisions [Gates] had ever witnessed in the White House.”
Gates “believe Obama was right in each of these [major] decisions.”

Observations on G.W. Bush
Enjoy the company of senior commanders
Not a micromanager
By the time Gates appointed DoD chief, not concerned with re-election

Negative assessment of Chenney, Rumsfeld, Syria and Libya hawks on both the left and right. Harshest criticism reserved for "incompetent" and "hypocritical" Congress.

It's going to a fascinating book. It might become required reading for historians of our epoch.

gf0012-aust
08 Jan 14,, 18:59
None of what Gates has said contradicts what has come out elsewhere

eg Kaplans book "The Insurgents, Davis Petraeus and the plot to change the american way of war" reinforces Gates views

it's a good read for those who have the inclination....

astralis
08 Jan 14,, 20:57
yeah, no big surprises overall. also second Kaplan's book, another good read.

Minskaya
08 Jan 14,, 23:26
Good, Bad or indifferent, I always admired Gates point of views. As far as I can see he has pretty much been a strait shooter through two Presidencies. That is not to say he is "perfect" by any means. And I do admire him for taking charge of the Boy Scouts.
Gates fairy well tells it like it is. Should be a good read for all who enjoy the insider stuff.

Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War - Robert M Gates (http://www.amazon.com/Duty-Memoirs-Secretary-at-War/dp/0307959473/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389219818&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=Duty%3A+Memoirs+of+a+Secretary+at+War%E2% 80%99+by+Robert+M.+Gates)

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