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    Afghan officials accuse U.S. of snatching Pakistani Taliban leader from their custody


    By Ernesto Londoño and Kevin Sieff, Published: October 10

    The United States recently seized a senior Pakistani Taliban commander in eastern Afghanistan, snatching him from the custody of Afghan intelligence operatives who had spent months trying to recruit him as an interlocutor for peace talks, Afghan government officials charged Thursday.

    Latif Mehsud, an influential commander in the Pakistani Taliban, was taken into custody by U.S. personnel, who intercepted an Afghan government convoy in Logar province, Afghan officials said.


    The dramatic capture enraged Afghan President Hamid Karzai and is a new irritant in already-contentious negotiations for the terms under which a U.S.-led military coalition would remain in Afghanistan after the formal end of combat operations next year.

    Afghan officials described their contact with Mehsud, thought to be about 30, as one of the most significant operations conducted by their country’s security forces. After months of conversations, the Taliban leader had agreed to meet with operatives of Afghanistan’s main spy agency, the National Directorate of Security, said Aimal Faizi, a spokesman for Karzai, who declined to identify Mehsud by name, referring to him only as a top Taliban commander.

    The Afghan officials were en route to an NDS facility, where they expected to start debriefing Mehsud, when a U.S. contingent stopped the vehicles, Faizi said.


    “The Americans forcibly removed him and took him to Bagram,” said the spokesman, referring to the military base that includes a detention facility where the United States continues to hold more than 60 non-
    Afghan combatants.

    Spokesmen for the Pentagon and the CIA declined to comment on the Afghan account of Mehsud’s detention, which had not been disclosed publicly. Two American officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, confirmed that Mehsud is in U.S. custody, but they declined to provide details.

    Karzai has not spoken out publicly about the arrest, but he has been strident in his criticism of the U.S.-led war, which this week entered its 13th year.

    “On the security front, the entire NATO exercise was one that caused Afghanistan a lot of suffering, and no gains because the country is not secure,” the Afghan president told the BBC in an interview this week.

    Mehsud quickly rose through the ranks of an organization decimated in recent years by the CIA’s drone campaign in Pakistan’s tribal areas. Taliban fighters who spoke on the condition of anonymity said he has recently been serving as the right-hand man for Hakimullah Mehsud, the head of the Pakistani Taliban.

    Latif Mehsud also has become an increasingly influential commander, acting as an intermediary between cells of Taliban fighters along the border and the group’s reclusive leader. Hakimullah Mehsud is thought to be in hiding, fearful of a drone strike like the one that reportedly killed his deputy in May.

    Sieff reported from Kabul. Karen DeYoung in Washington and Tim Craig and Saleem Mehsud in Islamabad, Pakistan, contributed to this report.

    Afghan officials accuse U.S. of snatching Pakistani Taliban leader from their custody - The Washington Post
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    I don't buy the Afghan account regarding the reasons behind the recruitment of Latif Mehsud - the TTP has a very small presence in Afghanistan given its focus on conducting attacks in Pakistan and overthrowing the Pakistani government. A more plausible reason behind the NDS recruitment of TTP leadership is to probably offer Afghan support for increased terrorist attacks inside Pakistan.
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    Chalk another one up. Time to pay the check.

    Was he really that stupid to think for a moment that this man should remain "safe" in his custody for "talks" after all of the attacks on US & NATO troops he has apparently engineered?

    Interested into what the US may glean from a nice little chat with this idiot.

    Love how he brow beats the very ones that gave him his country back while attempting to make deals with POS like this.

    IMO, It is my hopes the US fully pulls out and stops giving their lives up for a POS like this Karzi and the CIA stops funding him.

    If somehting happens in our country and we trace it back to there then just lob bombs and let him double talk his way out of it.

    Maybe Afghanistans new president will actually want to fix the problems instead of just patch them up for their own political means.
    Last edited by Dreadnought; 11 Oct 13,, 20:01.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
      Was he really that stupid to think for a moment that this man should remain "safe" in his custody for "talks" after all of the attacks on US & NATO troops he has apparently engineered?
      The TTP hasn't really engaged in any significant number of attacks on NATO or Afghan forces - as I pointed out before, the TTP has largely focussed on attacking targets inside Pakistan. Karzai and the NDS's attempted recruitment of Latif (and the ludicrous excuse they gave, of using him to negotiate peace with the Afghan Taliban) points, IMO, to an attempt to inflame the TTP's violence inside Pakistan and help them become stronger.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
        Chalk another one up. Time to pay the check.

        Was he really that stupid to think for a moment that this man should remain "safe" in his custody for "talks" after all of the attacks on US & NATO troops he has apparently engineered?

        Interested into what the US may glean from a nice little chat with this idiot.

        Love how he brow beats the very ones that gave him his country back while attempting to make deals with POS like this.

        IMO, It is my hopes the US fully pulls out and stops giving their lives up for a POS like this Karzi and the CIA stops funding him.

        If somehting happens in our country and we trace it back to there then just lob bombs and let him double talk his way out of it.

        Maybe Afghanistans new president will actually want to fix the problems instead of just patch them up for their own political means.
        I am with you. Just pull out now and let's see how many days Karzai lives...

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        • #5
          Karzai has until 31 October to reach an agreement with the US on military support and force level issues (SOFA).
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Minskaya View Post
            Karzai has until 31 October to reach an agreement with the US on military support and force level issues (SOFA).
            Looks like deal was reached yesterday, or just about.

            KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The U.S. and Afghan President Hamid Karzai reached an agreement in principle Saturday on the major elements of a deal that would allow American troops to stay in Afghanistan after 2014.

            However, U.S. officials said a potentially deal-breaking issue of jurisdiction over those forces must still be worked out with some political and tribal leaders in Afghanistan.

            U.S. officials traveling with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said the deal negotiated with Karzai meets all American conditions, including on the jurisdiction issue, and that all that remains is for Karzai to win political approval for it.

            more at: US-Afghan officials near a deal on American troops
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            • #7
              Additional details of the capture suggest the Afghan army people he was riding with were up to no good.

              Arsallah Jamal, governor of Logar province in eastern Afghanistan, said Mehsud was captured a week ago as he was driving along a main highway in Mohammad Agha district. The road links the province with the Afghan capital, Kabul. Jamal said Mehsud was in a car with two or three other men when the U.S. military arrested him.

              The Pakistani Taliban confirmed the capture but claimed Mehsud was seized Oct. 5 by the Afghan army at the Ghulam Khan border crossing in the eastern province of Khost.

              He was returning from a meeting to discuss swapping Afghan prisoners for money, said Pakistani Taliban commanders and intelligence officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak with the media.

              The Pakistani intelligence officials said American forces seized Mehsud while he was with the Afghan army, and that they no longer know where he is.

              Mehsud, believed to be around 30 years old, once served as Hakimullah Mehsud's driver but eventually became a trusted deputy. The two are not related. Mehsud is a common name in the region.

              The U.S. military in Kabul referred all questions to the Defense Department in Washington. A Pentagon spokeswoman, Navy Cmdr. Elissa Smith, said the Pentagon had no comment on the report.

              A U.S. defense official said Mehsud was being lawfully held by U.S. military forces in Afghanistan. A senior U.S. official said the arrest did not please Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who apparently saw it as a violation of Afghan sovereignty. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the issue with the media.

              There was no immediate comment from Karzai's office on the report.

              The detention may have contributed to a series of emotional outbursts this week by Karzai, who alleged that the U.S. and NATO have inflicted suffering on the Afghan people and repeatedly have violated its sovereignty.
              More: Senior Pakistan Taliban captured in Afghanistan
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              • #8
                I say let him join his pal aboard a US navy ship in the brig.

                Obama's solution to Guantanimo Bay....., US Navy ships circling the island while holding terrorists in custody for interrigation.

                Who need's waterboarding when the USN can teach them both how to water ski without ski's.
                Last edited by Dreadnought; 14 Oct 13,, 15:50.
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                • #9
                  Although the two are not related, Mehsud was a trusted confidante of Hakimullah who appointed him to head TTP’s operations in Miramshah, the capital of the TTP stronghold in North Waziristan.

                  While the seizure of Mehsud casts a shadow over a recent offer by Islamabad to open peace talks with the TTP, experts said Pakistan’s security forces would be quietly relieved that their Afghan counterparts had lost such a key intelligence asset.

                  Seth Jones, a former adviser to US special forces and analyst at the Rand think tank, said the US move would bolster the often strained American relationship with Islamabad.

                  “For regional cooperation, the US picking up a TTP commander in Afghanistan has got to be looked at in a positive way in Islamabad,” he said.

                  The Afghan claims to have cultivated Mehsud for two years lends some credence to Pakistan’s accusations that Mr Karzai has helped sustain the TTP’s bloody campaign in its frontier regions.

                  Mehsud’s capture will be a further blow to the TTP, which has in recent months shown signs that it has been worn down by US and Pakistan military operations targeting its top tier.
                  Afghan fury as US seizes 'spy at top of Taliban’ - Telegraph
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                  • #10
                    One thing is for sure, Hes Taliban, wether Afghani or Pakistani they are both in the very same business as the other and needs to be caught/exterminated. No matter which he hails from both groups cause death to those they wish to rule by intimidation with their twisted laws and beliefs.

                    I say "F@ck Em" hang him for crimes against humanity (The Afghan and Pakistani peoples) like all of them should be hung for.
                    Last edited by Dreadnought; 15 Oct 13,, 16:05.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
                      One thing is for sure, Hes Taliban, wether Afghani or Pakistani they are both in the very same business as the other and needs to be caught/exterminated. No matter which he hails from both groups cause death to those they wish to rule by intimidation with their twisted laws and beliefs.

                      I say "F@ck Em" hang him for crimes against humanity (The Afghan and Pakistani peoples) like all of them should be hung for.
                      Afghani is the currency of Afghanistan.

                      They like it when they are either called Afghan or even Afghanistani.

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                      • #12
                        Works for me I just consider them legal targets.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
                          Additional details of the capture suggest the Afghan army people he was riding with were up to no good.



                          More: Senior Pakistan Taliban captured in Afghanistan
                          Karzai can no longer be trusted. I read that he's built a grand 'complex' for his new home just down the road from the presidential 'palace'. He clearly has no intention of overseeing a legitimate transfer of power to a new president and his outburst over the capture of Mehsud is reprehensible. Of course, talking to his enemies is a given but all factions of the Taliban have consistently proven themselves to be untrustworthy and not serious about negotiating an end to the war. Plus, the TTP has often boasted of its relationship with Al-Qaeda, its support for global 'jiihad' and its willingness to shelter and co-operate with all sorts of Islamist and jihadi networks. Its impossible to know what Karzai was trying to gain from dealing with Mehsud but it is unlikely to have been done with the interests of Afghanistan in mind, more like saving his own skin post-2014.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 1980s View Post
                            Karzai can no longer be trusted. I read that he's built a grand 'complex' for his new home just down the road from the presidential 'palace'. He clearly has no intention of overseeing a legitimate transfer of power to a new president and his outburst over the capture of Mehsud is reprehensible. Of course, talking to his enemies is a given but all factions of the Taliban have consistently proven themselves to be untrustworthy and not serious about negotiating an end to the war. Plus, the TTP has often boasted of its relationship with Al-Qaeda, its support for global 'jiihad' and its willingness to shelter and co-operate with all sorts of Islamist and jihadi networks. Its impossible to know what Karzai was trying to gain from dealing with Mehsud but it is unlikely to have been done with the interests of Afghanistan in mind, more like saving his own skin post-2014.
                            Has he EVER been trusted?

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                            • #15
                              Even Still After this Pak Govt has released talibs for Afghan peace process

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