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tankie
11 Sep 13,, 11:53
9/11 Attack on the towers .

I hope nothing like this ever happens again , anywhere .RIP

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aerosol
14 Sep 13,, 07:40
I cried for hours when it happened because I have American blood on my fathers side (and I was 15 at the time). Yet 12 years later, I can't find any information about how any official or general has been reprimanded, fired or prosecuted for the extreme negligence on the part of those people responsible for air defense that day. RIP

citanon
14 Sep 13,, 07:46
I cried for hours when it happened because I have American blood on my fathers side (and I was 15 at the time). Yet 12 years later, I can't find any information about how any official or general has been reprimanded, fired or prosecuted for the extreme negligence on the part of those people responsible for air defense that day. RIP

I wouldn't call not shooting down our own air liners negligent. I would call it sane. What they didn't expect was to deal with sheer evil insanity.

aerosol
14 Sep 13,, 07:56
I wouldn't call not shooting down our own air liners negligent. I would call it sane. What they didn't expect was to deal with sheer evil insanity.

I read this interesting article from former Sen. and Florida Democrat Bob Graham:

Co-Chair of 9/11 Inquiry: American Government Covered Up State Assistance to Hijackers | Washington's Blog (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/07/co-chair-of-911-inquiry-american-government-covered-up-state-assistance-to-hijackers.html)

Perhaps, but why did fighters arrive two hours late in order to protect then-President Bush? What was up with the delay of certain key protocols when the chaos was a fact? Then the transmission to Air Force One once they lifted off from Sarasota, Florida saying: "Angel is next."

Then-Press Secretary Ari Fleicher confirmed that during a press conference at the White House either days or weeks later after the attacks and that doesn't sound too reassuring for Bush.

Evil insanity can come from anywhere and that's when it gets scary.

Officer of Engineers
14 Sep 13,, 08:13
Perhaps, but why did fighters arrive two hours late in order to protect then-President Bush? What was up with the delay of certain key protocols when the chaos was a fact? Then the transmission to Air Force One once they lifted off from Sarasota, Florida saying: "Angel is next."Son, there are quite a few members here who stood up, in uniform on that unfortunate day, so please don't spout off bullshit.

The reason why fighters were 2 hours late was because AIR FORCE 1 was in no danger. Meanwhile identifiable dangers were going up the ying-yang. The US just grounded all flights and denied all other flights that were outside of US airspace entry into US airspace. On top of that, you had NATO forces in Canada who took off ready to do their part in case of a real military strike.

So, yeah, 3000 airplanes in the air, off a sudden losing civilian control, automatically came until military control, and more importantly, Canadian military control, so yeah, a hell of a lot of confusion.

Then-Press Secretary Ari Fleicher confirmed that during a press conference at the White House either days or weeks later after the attacks and that doesn't sound too reassuring for Bush.

Evil insanity can come from anywhere and that's when it gets scary.[/QUOTE]

aerosol
14 Sep 13,, 08:24
Son, there are quite a few members here who stood up, in uniform on that unfortunate day, so please don't spout off bullshit.

The reason why fighters were 2 hours late was because AIR FORCE 1 was in no danger. Meanwhile identifiable dangers were going up the ying-yang. The US just grounded all flights and denied all other flights that were outside of US airspace entry into US airspace. On top of that, you had NATO forces in Canada who took off ready to do their part in case of a real military strike.

So, yeah, 3000 airplanes in the air, off a sudden losing civilian control, automatically came until military control, and more importantly, Canadian military control, so yeah, a hell of a lot of confusion.

Then-Press Secretary Ari Fleicher confirmed that during a press conference at the White House either days or weeks later after the attacks and that doesn't sound too reassuring for Bush.

Evil insanity can come from anywhere and that's when it gets scary.[/QUOTE]

I didn't mean to disrespect anyone, but there were a lot of drills going on on 9/11 and I'm sure you're familiar with Global Guardian and it's Computer Network Attack drill attached to it? A "bad" insider has access to key command and control systems (missile launch option). Meaning, a mole. I find it interesting that then-President Bush visited the two most important nuclear command bunkers that day, Barksdale AFB and Offutt AFB. Why travel there? To prevent missiles from being launched? I think the crisis was at it's peak when Bush made a speech and made absolute no mention of terrorism in it. Again, I don't question your service to your country on that day, I'm just trying to figure out certain things that may prevented an even greater catastrophe (that Bush managed to pull off).

Doktor
14 Sep 13,, 08:33
President Bush was at a Kindergarten or School that day. There was a video of him on that day when he got the news. It was used by Anti-Bush people later.

I am not sure where are you going, but if you plan to introduce us to more Conspiracy Theories about that day, beware that many here are not keen for that.

Which leads me to ask you this...

Care to tell us more about yourself in the introduction thread (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/wab-information-center/61571-introduction-thread-all-new-members.html)?

Gun Grape
14 Sep 13,, 20:41
I find it interesting that then-President Bush visited the two most important nuclear command bunkers that day, Barksdale AFB and Offutt AFB. Why travel there?

Gee, I don't know. Maybe because they have THE BEST, MOST SECURE, COMM SUITES in the country. At a time when the President might need a bit more info then is capable on AF1

Don't go stupid on us.

Aerosol. I have my test for conspiracy theory's. I call it the Bill Clinton test. Any time I hear Off the wall crap like you posted I ask myself

" If Bill Clinton, as PONUS, ( one of the most powerful positions in the world) could not hid getting a BJ in the White House , could we have kept stuff like this secret?"

Just about everything fails that test.

Mihais
14 Sep 13,, 21:04
Your lack of security is to blame for Bill's failure.Look at the problem from a different angle.Did you heard of any BJ's in the WH since the improved security came into being post 9/11?

Morale of the story:if you hear too much about presidential sex life,duck and cover.:biggrin:

Doktor
14 Sep 13,, 21:09
You can duck and cover all you want. I would run in the shelter.

Officer of Engineers
14 Sep 13,, 22:02
GS,

Why did you have to put that Clinton-Monica image into my head?

tankie
14 Sep 13,, 22:11
GS,

Why did you have to put that Clinton-Monica image into my head?

Blows your mind huh :whome:

Officer of Engineers
14 Sep 13,, 22:20
*** Groan ***

tankie
15 Sep 13,, 17:36
*** Groan ***

:biggrin::biggrin:

Gun Grape
15 Sep 13,, 18:18
GS,

Why did you have to put that Clinton-Monica image into my head?

Maybe this will help :biggrin:

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Officer of Engineers
15 Sep 13,, 18:49
Marine, you are one sick bastard.

Doktor
15 Sep 13,, 19:47
Mihais,

You are still ducked, mate?

Mihais
15 Sep 13,, 22:00
Why? I don't smoke and I don't live in the WH.My personal life is just that. ;)

Officer of Engineers
15 Sep 13,, 22:08
My personal life is just that. ;)Ducked.

Chogy
16 Sep 13,, 17:41
I've encountered a lot of amazement and wonder about the "Air Defense Response" during 9/11... most of it from non-USA folk.

The simple truth is, the continental U.S. air space is NOT heavily defended in the traditional sense. The image of fighters scrambling like mad from hundreds of alert facilities is a holdover from the 1950's, in the days when the nuclear armed manned bomber was the ONLY true threat to the CONUS. With the advent of the ICBM, the need for large amounts of manned fighter assets sitting alert simply disappeared.

Who is going to attack us with conventional combat aircraft? Mexico? Canada? If the USSR/Russia attempted it, the U.S. response would be nuclear from submarines and land-based ICBM's.

There were a handful of fighter alert barns scattered about, mostly near Cuba, Alaska, and the Northeast, but not nearly so many as people think. That's probably changed since then.

And the biggest factor, as mentioned already, was the massive confusion and the style of the attack.

tankie
16 Sep 13,, 18:13
Were you on call that day Chogy ?

desertswo
16 Sep 13,, 18:21
Were you on call that day Chogy ?

I can't answer for Chogy, but I know where I started that day (1st Floor, E-Ring, River Entrance, the Pentagon), and where I finished it (under a bunch of granite at Site R). What Chogy has said is correct about our home defense capabilities against a foreign air force. We're just itching to take on those Mexican fighter jocks in their F-5s. :rolleyes: