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tbm3fan
22 Aug 13,, 23:06
I want to say this strikes me as odd, but then nothing today really surprises me anymore. If Martin was truly the innocent then what is the Aussie Chris Lane? If Zimmerman was truly bad, and possibly racist as claimed, then what is this trio? What I notice is that this is but a blip on US media radar unlike the Zimmerman/Martin case. It isn't a blip internationally though. Come on Al you have nothing to say? Cat got your tongue?

Suspect in Australian baseball player's death posed with guns - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/justice/australia-student-killed-oklahoma/index.html)

zraver
22 Aug 13,, 23:30
The shooter appears to be a racist, but being black means he is off limits. All that can be said per the Rev Jackson is this sort of violence should be frowned upon....

cdude
22 Aug 13,, 23:51
I want to say this strikes me as odd, but then nothing today really surprises me anymore. If Martin was truly the innocent then what is the Aussie Chris Lane? If Zimmerman was truly bad, and possibly racist as claimed, then what is this trio? What I notice is that this is but a blip on US media radar unlike the Zimmerman/Martin case. It isn't a blip internationally though. Come on Al you have nothing to say? Cat got your tongue?

Suspect in Australian baseball player's death posed with guns - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/justice/australia-student-killed-oklahoma/index.html)

Let's see, how many white persons got killed randomly by blacks every year?

And how many black males were targeted by the police and police wannabes just because of their skin color every year?


Two different things. Statistically, one is a 5 sigma event, the other is a 1 sigma.

YellowFever
23 Aug 13,, 00:10
Let's see, how many white persons got killed randomly by blacks every year?

And how many black males were targeted by the police and police wannabes just because of their skin color every year?


Two different things. Statistically, one is a 5 sigma event, the other is a 1 sigma.

As if your prancing around in threads concerning India for the last week or so wasn't proof enough of your stupidity, you had to jump into this thread to demonstrate it once again.

You tell me sport, just how many blacks were targeted by police just for their skin color?

cdude
23 Aug 13,, 01:09
As if your prancing around in threads concerning India for the last week or so wasn't proof enough of your stupidity, you had to jump into this thread to demonstrate it once again.

You tell me sport, just how many blacks were targeted by police just for their skin color?

Stop-and-frisk trial: Cop's secret tape reveals boss ordered him to target blacks*males ages 14 to 21 - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ordered-secret-recording-stop-and-frisk-young-blacks-males-article-1.1295665)


What's your question again? The answer is non-zero. Next

YellowFever
23 Aug 13,, 01:55
Stop-and-frisk trial: Cop's secret tape reveals boss ordered him to target blacks*males ages 14 to 21 - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ordered-secret-recording-stop-and-frisk-young-blacks-males-article-1.1295665)


What's your question again? The answer is non-zero. Next

Gee, that's nice.

So the answer is ONE!

Paintbrush much?

So let me ask you again.

How many cops target black people just for the color of their skin?

YellowFever
23 Aug 13,, 01:56
"Stop “the right people, the right time, the right location,” Deputy Inspector Christopher McCormack is heard saying on the recording.


“He meant blacks and Hispanics,” Officer Pedro Serrano, who made the secret recording, testified Thursday in Manhattan federal court."

:rolleyes:

DonBelt
23 Aug 13,, 02:21
The shooter appears to be a racist, but being black means he is off limits. All that can be said per the Rev Jackson is this sort of violence should be frowned upon....

Then by all means, let us FROWN!:frown::frown::frown:

Bigfella
23 Aug 13,, 02:55
Congratulations America. What a fine fucking country you are. A young man from my home town embraces your national pastime & pursues his dream and now he is dead. Guess he should have stayed home.

You create young men with no moral centre & then you give them the means to punish the world for their failings. Outfuckingstanding. Guess Lane should have been packing. Stupid fuck.

Not happy with that, you decide to use his death as a pathetic platform for your endless political bitching. This story has been front page news here from the moment the news broke last week. I deliberately decided not to start a thread because I was so nauseated by the 'Zimmerman' thread that I didn't want to be responsible for giving you people another chance to show how low you will go to win an argument or make a point.

Let me guess: its black people; its hispanics; its Democrats; its 'secularists; its 'illegals'; its Mexican drug gangs; its 'the MSM'; its not enough access to guns; its.....anything as long as it isn't something I agree with because I just can't be fucking wrong.

Oh, and since you seem determined to make this a 'race' thing, the white kid who drove the car & is the oldest is getting the most lenient charge. Whatever.

Mods: Can we just lock this thread? apologies for the language, but I am pretty pissed off about this. The 'Zimmerman' thread was one of the most disgraceful I have read in my time on WAB & I don't want a young man from Melbourne to become the body Americans argue over this week. They have enough of their own. Let him lie in peace.

I'm going to go scorched Earth on this bitch, so can we kill it like we would a 'Zraver/Bigross' bitchfest. We aren't going to find out anything new except the range of my profane vocabulary.

Wooglin
23 Aug 13,, 04:15
Don’t Ignore Race in Christopher Lane’s Murder

The association of young black men with violence doesn't come out of thin air
By John McWhorter Aug. 22, 2013

Australian Christopher Lane was killed on Monday in Oklahoma by three teens, one of whom has said they were just “bored.” The right is complaining that the media is making nothing of the fact that two of the teens were black whereas Lane was white, as opposed to the massive alarm sounded in cases such as white (or white-ish) George Zimmerman killing black Trayvon Martin. And again the cry was heard that there is more “black-on-black” or “black-on-white” crime than “white-on-black,” and that young black men are in fact more of a problem than people like Zimmerman.

The numbers don’t lie: young black men do commit about 50% of the murders in the U.S. We don’t yet know whether the attack on Lane was racially motivated, nor can we know whether the three black boys who attacked a white boy on a Florida school bus recently would not have done the same to a black kid. (Critics took Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to task for not condemning the violence.) But hardly uncommon are cases such as the two black guys who doused a white 13-year-old with gasoline and lit him on fire, saying “You get what you deserve, white boy” (Kansas City, Mo.) or 20 black kids who beat up white Matthew Owens on his porch “for Trayvon” (Mobile, Ala.).

So, it’s just fake to pretend that the association of young black men with violence comes out of thin air. Young black men murder 14 times more than young white men. If the kinds of things I just mentioned were regularly done by whites, it’d be trumpeted as justification for being scared to death of them.

It’s not that black communities are in complete denial about these statistics — Stop the Violence events are a staple of high-crime areas. But let’s face it: black America isn’t nearly as indignant about black boys killing one another or whites as about the occasional white cop killing one black boy, even though the former wreaks much more havoc in black communities. There is no coordinated nationwide movement equivalent to the one Martin galvanized. There are no thoughtful films “exploring” black-on-black crime the way Fruitvale Station treats the death of Oscar Grant, a young black man who was killed by transit police in Oakland, Calif.

And recent example illustrates how many blacks feel about who is murdering whom. Two weeks ago, an NYPD cop killed 14-year-old Shaaliver Douse. Douse was in the process of shooting other people, and had been charged with shooting someone else in May — and yet his aunt compared him to Martin. In her mind, the main sin was the white cop’s.

Granted, it seems a lot easier to do something about the Zimmermans than the black thugs. Protest profiling and police departments institute new programs. But black thugs aren’t moved by protests, so it can seem like we’re just stuck with them.

But who’s to say what would happen if black America exerted even half of the emotional fervor and brainpower it does over cases like Martin’s to thinking about how to keep black boys from going wrong? Annette John-Hall had some wise words on this last year. What kind of self-image do we have to assume we can only change others, but not ourselves?

For the time being, though, it’s time for the media to stop proudly emblazoning the race of white cops who kill black boys while cagily describing black teens as, say, “from the grittier part of town,” as has been the case regarding Lane’s killers. The media needs to be as honest with black people as we need to be with ourselves. No group gets ahead by turning away from its real problems.


Don’t Ignore Race in Christopher Lane’s Murder | TIME.com (http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/22/viewpoint-dont-ignore-race-in-christopher-lanes-murder/?iid=tsmodule)

zraver
23 Aug 13,, 04:49
Oh, and since you seem determined to make this a 'race' thing, the white kid who drove the car & is the oldest is getting the most lenient charge. Whatever.


There was no white kid, all three were black. Despite a white mother the kid self ID'd as black.

Look I am sorry Mr. Lane got gunned down in a thrill kill by a morally bankrupt juvenile who had been tweeting about his attacks on whites since the Zimmerman Trial. But excuse me, if you think its not right or proper for Americans to talk about it, specifically white Americans who just got down off the cross of being crucified in our media for the actions of a Hispanic. We've been called racist for an event we had nothing to do with, even been subjected to calls for a UN investigation, doctored evidence and endless rounds of pundits telling us that we've made no progress and its still Jim Crow... Nothing too extreme for the rce baiters to try and advance a racist plot line. Now in a case where the gunman has express racist views and a history of hate proclaimed hate crimes everything is suddenly muted because the color is different. Ya that is gonna start a discussion.

So don't sit there and tsk tsk us, your own politicians are turning this into political hay on your end. Calls to Boycott my country for its dirty racism and gun culture....its only news over there because he is white and it happened here. When Joan Ryther was murdered and raped there....crickets... likely because she was Asian. Because as pointed out when something similar happened to a white girl your news was abuzz. So get off the high horse, it was a tragedy and people are going to talk about it.

desertswo
23 Aug 13,, 07:46
Congratulations America. What a fine fucking country you are. A young man from my home town embraces your national pastime & pursues his dream and now he is dead. Guess he should have stayed home.

You create young men with no moral centre & then you give them the means to punish the world for their failings. Outfuckingstanding. Guess Lane should have been packing. Stupid fuck.

Not happy with that, you decide to use his death as a pathetic platform for your endless political bitching. This story has been front page news here from the moment the news broke last week. I deliberately decided not to start a thread because I was so nauseated by the 'Zimmerman' thread that I didn't want to be responsible for giving you people another chance to show how low you will go to win an argument or make a point.

Let me guess: its black people; its hispanics; its Democrats; its 'secularists; its 'illegals'; its Mexican drug gangs; its 'the MSM'; its not enough access to guns; its.....anything as long as it isn't something I agree with because I just can't be fucking wrong.

Oh, and since you seem determined to make this a 'race' thing, the white kid who drove the car & is the oldest is getting the most lenient charge. Whatever.

Mods: Can we just lock this thread? apologies for the language, but I am pretty pissed off about this. The 'Zimmerman' thread was one of the most disgraceful I have read in my time on WAB & I don't want a young man from Melbourne to become the body Americans argue over this week. They have enough of their own. Let him lie in peace.

I'm going to go scorched Earth on this bitch, so can we kill it like we would a 'Zraver/Bigross' bitchfest. We aren't going to find out anything new except the range of my profane vocabulary.

I'm angry because this young man is dead. I'm angry because the people ultimately responsible will not take that responsibility. I'm angry because the media here, in failing to report it to the degree it is being reported down under, are simply exacerbating an already tense situation. In fact, in my view from here in the safety of the Desert Southwest, and yes, with my guns on my compound, it appears to me as if they want people like me to act in the manner they expect of us; to go crazy and start shooting cities up. Unfortunately for them, that isn't what we do. No, we don't do anything. We are law abiding citizens after all. No mass marches of hoodie wearing knuckleheads, and I believe this frustrates the media moguls and their minions. What they would love is if we would all buy and wear East Central University (of Oklahoma) Tiger baseball caps, and march on DC like that in our millions. But how can we march, if we don't know about it? Meanwhile, the tension does in fact build.

I am afraid that there will be an explosion at some point, and when it does occur, you will be well and truly shocked at just how ugly the human condition can be. It wouldn't be the first time our country has gone down that road, and hundreds of thousands died last time. How many this time? I wish I didn't have to learn, but I fear that I will.

So yes, tsk, tsk some of us if you will, but many of us here have seen the face of war, and we've seen the conditions that lead to it. I look around and see what I see, and hear what I hear, and read what I read, and smell what I smell, and I don't like any part of what my senses are telling me. I especially don't like what I'm smelling. Do you? Or do the prevailing winds reach across the Tropic of Capricorn? Never mind; I have my navigator's ticket, and already know the answer.

Monash
23 Aug 13,, 09:20
... your own politicians are turning this into political hay on your end. Calls to Boycott my country for its dirty racism and gun culture....its only news over there because he is white and it happened here. When Joan Ryther was murdered and raped there....crickets... likely because she was Asian. Because as pointed out when something similar happened to a white girl your news was abuzz. So get off the high horse, it was a tragedy and people are going to talk about it.

As far as I am aware only one ex politician (who was involved in gun law reform over here in the nineties) that perhaps we should boycott sending young Australians to live in the US - and even he only made the comment in passing, not as a serious suggestion. No-one has been seriously pushing any any kind of racist agenda with regards to the shooting either, it is the sheer callousness and the casual nature of the killing that has everyone appalled. As for poor Joan Ryther she was targeted by a sexual predator because she was attractive, alone and vulnerable at the time. Race wasn't the driver in that offense either.

zraver
23 Aug 13,, 14:45
As for poor Joan Ryther she was targeted by a sexual predator because she was attractive, alone and vulnerable at the time. Race wasn't the driver in that offense either.

The lack of media sensationalism likely was due to race. Had she been an attractive white woman as opposed to an attractive Asian woman...

cdude
23 Aug 13,, 17:02
Gee, that's nice.

So the answer is ONE!

Paintbrush much?

So let me ask you again.

How many cops target black people just for the color of their skin?

Judge Rules NYPD Stop-and-Frisk Practice Violates Rights - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324085304579008510786797006.html)

Pull your head out once in a while. Air is fresher outside, ya know?

Albany Rifles
23 Aug 13,, 17:24
I have locked the thread because this entire "discussion" has gone off the rails and into flamebaiting by all.

All of you review the rules of WAB.

Another MOD/ADMIN can overrule me but we have to knock this type of crap off if we are to maintain our standards.

And no, this isn't censorship or taking sides.

EVERYBODY adjust your attitudes.