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    An Afghan Church Grows in Delhi



    In a South Delhi neighborhood, the sound of a man reciting Dari, a Farsi dialect spoken in Afghanistan, over a loudspeaker attached to a modest two-story building rose over the din of vegetable hawkers. The building was a church run by Afghan refugees who had converted to Christianity. The man was a young Afghan priest reading the Bible before a Sunday service in its basement.

    Between 200 and 250 Afghan converts from Islam to Christianity who feared persecution from the Afghan authorities and the Taliban have found refuge in Delhi.


    “The number of coverts to Christianity increased as the U.S. presence increased after the fall of the Taliban,” said Obaid Jan, 33, the pastor, who led the Bible service. “Most of the Christian converts lived in urban areas, so the threat from the Taliban was minimal,” he added.

    But the Christian converts started fleeing Afghanistan around 2005, fearing their identities might become public. Most came to India after video footage of their secret churches found its way to Noorin TV, a Kabul-based television network, in May 2009. Their lives were further endangered in 2010, when an influential member of the lower house of the Afghan parliament, Abdul Sattar Khawasi, called for the converts’ execution.

    “The Afghans who appeared in this video should be publicly executed,’’ said Mr. Khawasi. “The House should order the attorney general and the N.D.S.’’ – the National Directorate of Security – “to arrest these Afghans and execute them.”

    The video showed the faces and the locations of Christian converts. “It put everyone in danger including the rest of our families who were Muslims,” said Pastor Jan, who used to work for a non-governmental organization in Kabul.

    What started him on his road to Christianity, he said, was distress over infighting between different Muslim factions in Afghanistan.

    “Everybody in Afghanistan claimed to be a true Muslim and kept fighting,” he said. “I couldn’t find a single Muslim in them.”

    Then he met some Christian missionaries working in Afghanistan. “The fact that God has given his son to his followers in Christianity is what attracted me towards the religion,” he added.

    Pastor Jan left his parents in 2007 after he received a number of threats to his life from Muslim Afghans. His family did not approve of his new religion. “The families of many converts became very hostile when they learned about their conversions,” he added.

    When the family of Adib Ahmad, 24, who worked for an N.G.O. in Mazar-i-Sharif, found out about his new faith, he was given two options: return to Islam or leave the house.

    “I left Mazar and went to Kabul and waited there for 20 days hoping my family might call me back,” said Mr. Ahmad. “They didn’t.”

    Afghanistan recognizes the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which includes the freedom to choose one’s religion. The war-torn country has also signed and ratified the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, but it adheres to a conservative interpretation of Islamic law.

    Over the years, religious minorities facing persecution in Afghanistan have fled Afghanistan for different parts of the world. Abdul Rahman, a Christian convert for 16 years, was charged with apostasy in 2006 for abandoning Islam. Later, under pressure from Western governments, he was released from prison by the Afghan judiciary after it was successfully argued that he was mentally ill. Italy granted him asylum soon after.

    The year 2009 saw the highest number of Christians flee Afghanistan. “Around 100 Christians fled to India in 2009,” said Pastor Jan. Some 40 Afghan Christians have come to India so far in 2013.

    Most Afghan Christian converts have chosen India because of its proximity and their familiarity with the country.

    An evangelical church, the Delhi Bible Fellowship, supported the Afghan Christian community and gave them a building for their church. But, Pastor Jan said, the Fellowship authorities felt unsafe because of their presence. The Afghan converts moved out and established their own church — known as the Afghan Church of New Delhi.

    Thousands of Muslim and Sikh Afghan refugees have settled in India since the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees has recognized most of them as refugees. But the Indian government is not obligated to grant these Afghans refugee status, because the country is not a signatory to U.N. refugee convention.

    The Afghans’ murky legal status complicates their lives in India. “Getting even a SIM card issued or renting a room becomes a nightmare, since we don’t any have proof of residence from the Indian Government,” said Pastor Jan.

    India has a longstanding tradition of granting Tibetans and Sri Lankans refugee status, but migrants from countries that do not border on India must apply through the United Nations refugee agency. If their applications are rejected, they can be deported from India.

    The Delhi office for the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees does not discuss the status of the applications submitted by Afghan Christians.

    “We do not discuss individual cases because of confidentiality rules. We conduct our refugee status determination procedures in line with U.N.H.C.R.’s global standards and guidelines,” said a U.N.H.C.R official, in an e-mail response.

    The converts share a social world with an earlier wave of Afghan refugees living in Delhi, yet they face hostility from Afghan Muslim refugees, who consider the converts apostates. In June, Pastor Jan was looking for an apartment in the Lajpat Nagar area in South Delhi, when four Afghan men blocked his car.

    “I don’t know how they recognized me, but they didn’t move and started hurling abuses,” recalled Pastor Jan. “One of them broke a rear view mirror before I could flee.”

    Officials from the U.N.H.C.R. and the Delhi police advised him to maintain a low profile.

    The refugees struggle to find jobs in Delhi. Their appearance and accents give them away as Afghans.

    “We are denied jobs as we don’t have proper proof of residence,” said Pastor Jan. “Our poor Hindi and English are another barrier.”

    The converts have to turn to the world they fled to make a living. Around 20,000 Afghans visit India for medical treatment every year, mostly in Delhi. They need translators to help them negotiate the city’s private hospitals. Yet the converts are circumspect about their new religious affiliation to their clients from the old country.

    “We hide it even from our fellow translators, as they might disclose it to others,” said Mr. Ahmad.

    “It earns us merely 250 to 500 rupees ($5 to 10) per week, an amount hardly enough for sustenance in Delhi,” said Sayed Inam, 33, a former interpreter for the U.S. Army, who left Afghanistan in February.

    The children of Afghan Christian refugees attend schools run by the government or the Y.M.C.A. While the younger ones face few problems because they are starting their education in Hindi, the older ones struggle to study in a foreign language.

    Despite the hostility and aggression he has faced, Pastor Jan feels his community is relatively safer in India. “The size of my community in India is only increasing,’’ he said. “I hope my community won’t have to migrate again.”

    An Afghan Church Grows in Delhi - NYTimes.com
    There are around 10,000 Afghan refugees living in Delhi. Thousands more come to Delhi on student visas, business visas or on a medical visa (~65,000 Afghans came to India annually for treatment in 2011, and that number has been quickly growing). This influx has resulted in somewhat of a "mini-Afghanistan" in South Delhi's Lajpat Nagar, where Afghan stores and restaurants are found in abundance.

    This article about an Afghan church is very intriguing and shows a community which is finally able to openly exist. It is sad that fellow Afghan refugees would be hostile to them despite themselves having left their country due to widespread intolerance and violence.
    Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
    -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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    Just a quick aside. Although few would imagine it, there are many Indians in my birth city of Zaporozhye. They are students at the Zaporozhye State Medical University pictured above and by far comprise the largest segment of foreign medical students. Indians were actually the first 'foreigners' I ever encountered in Ukraine. They were always very friendly and I considered the female attire exotic. Excellent ambassadors of good will.

    Sorry Tronic, I just remembered this now and wanted to share while it was still fresh in my mind. My apologies for the brief intrusion.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Minskaya View Post


      Just a quick aside. Although few would imagine it, there are many Indians in my birth city of Zaporozhye. They are students at the Zaporozhye State Medical University pictured above and by far comprise the largest segment of foreign medical students. Indians were actually the first 'foreigners' I ever encountered in Ukraine. They were always very friendly and I considered the female attire exotic. Excellent ambassadors of good will.

      Sorry Tronic, I just remembered this now and wanted to share while it was still fresh in my mind. My apologies for the brief intrusion.
      For some reason, Russian and eastern European medical colleges are very popular among Indians.

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      • #4
        Price/quality ratio?
        No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

        To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Minskaya View Post


          Just a quick aside. Although few would imagine it, there are many Indians in my birth city of Zaporozhye. They are students at the Zaporozhye State Medical University pictured above and by far comprise the largest segment of foreign medical students. Indians were actually the first 'foreigners' I ever encountered in Ukraine. They were always very friendly and I considered the female attire exotic. Excellent ambassadors of good will.

          Sorry Tronic, I just remembered this now and wanted to share while it was still fresh in my mind. My apologies for the brief intrusion.
          Nice.......

          You are Ukrainian, ahh..I keep running to a lot of Ukrainians now a days. My ex girlfriend is from Ukraine...Odessa.

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          • #6
            Heartening to see that some Afghans have found a new home away from the unfortunate chaos of their home country. Only thing that irked me in the article was this:

            “I don’t know how they recognized me, but they didn’t move and started hurling abuses,” recalled Pastor Jan. “One of them broke a rear view mirror before I could flee.”

            Officials from the U.N.H.C.R. and the Delhi police advised him to maintain a low profile.
            What does maintaining a low profile mean exactly? If these people are legitimate refugees, the police should be promising to protect them not asking them to hide themselves. The pastor can identify the miscreants. The police should catch hold of them and make it clear that they are not in Afghanistan any more and if they don't leave their compatriots alone, they will be deported forthwith. A few nights in lock-up might be good for their health as well.
            Last edited by Firestorm; 23 Jul 13,, 20:18.

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            • #7
              Na ghar ka na ghat ka(neither of the north nor of the south)

              Delhi is not a safe place. There are a variety of afghans living in delhi(good and bad).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                Price/quality ratio?
                Zaporozhye State Medical University is one of the oldest medical universities in the CIS and is accredited at the Fourth Level (highest). Originally located in Odessa, the university moved to Zaporozhye in 1959. The campus along the Dneiper river is huge with a faculty of 600. An incoming medical preparatory class usually has around 1500 foreign students of which approximately 400 will hail from India. All classes are available in Ukrainian, Russian, and English languages. The medical university is focused on General Medicine, Pediatrics, Dentistry, Clinical Studies, and Pharmacology. There is also a 5 year course for a degree in Cosmetology. Medical degrees include MBBS, BDS, MD, MS, and Doctorate. Considering the costs of such an education in the West, it is a bargain.

                Tuition costs for one year are available here



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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Defcon5 View Post
                  Nice.......

                  You are Ukrainian, ahh..I keep running to a lot of Ukrainians now a days. My ex girlfriend is from Ukraine...Odessa.
                  I am Ukrainian (Zaporozhye) and White Russian (Minsk, Belarus).
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                  • #10
                    You are a White Russian?

                    No wonders why Dude likes you ;)
                    No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                    To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                    • #11
                      Hmmm I had actually thought Minskaya was a male member

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                        You are a White Russian?

                        No wonders why Dude likes you ;)
                        Haha, the Dude was what came to my mind as well, when I read White Russian. What exactly does it mean (aside from the drink of course)?

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                        • #13
                          A citizen or a person from Belarus.

                          It can also be a member of the White movement from the October revolution and the ongoing civil war that ended in 1923, but I doubt Minnie is one of them ;)
                          Last edited by Doktor; 23 Jul 13,, 21:23.
                          No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                          To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ajhax View Post
                            For some reason, Russian and eastern European medical colleges are very popular among Indians.
                            They are cheaper than most Indian medical schools.
                            Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
                            -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Minskaya View Post
                              Sorry Tronic, I just remembered this now and wanted to share while it was still fresh in my mind. My apologies for the brief intrusion.
                              No worries, Minnie. Two of my cousins, who are both doctors, have also studied medicine from Ukraine. They studied at the 'Donetsk National Medical University'. That was a few years ago though, and they ran into some trouble when they got back to India. The MCI (Medical Council of India) stopped recognizing their study, which resulted in a big protest by Ukrainian educated medical students, and an impending lawsuit (since these students were not warned beforehand, and once they had completed their education, were left high and dry by the MCI). Eventually, the MCI caved in and allowed them to write the FMGE (Foreign Medical Graduates Examination), after which they were allowed to practice. The FMGE has a very high failure rate, and only about a quarter of the students who write the FMGE are able to clear it.

                              That was about 6-7 years back, and I just ran a quick google, and seems like things haven't changed a bit. This is from last year:

                              10,000 foreign-educated doctors jobless after failing Medical Council of India test'

                              CHENNAI: Close to 10,000 Indians across the country who have completed their undergraduate medical education abroad are unemployed or under-employed. This is because they have not been able to clear the screening test mandated by the Medical Council of India (MCI). Now, the graduates plan to approach Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Parliament demanding that the test be scrapped.

                              The foreign medical graduates and their parents held a meeting in Chennai on Sunday. Dr Ameer Jahan, chief patron of All India Foreign Medical Graduates' Association, said each student had spent Rs 15 to 20 lakh to study abroad. "They spend half of what it would cost at a private college here. Their course is nearly seven years long compared to the five-and-half-year medical course here. Every time they fail the screening test, they get delayed by six months and get depressed," he said.

                              Since 2002, students who have studied medicine abroad have had to appear for a screening test conducted by MCI, the regulatory authority for medical education. Only those who clear the test, administered by the National Board of Examinations, get certificates from the state medical council permitting them to do a year-long internship in a university or hospital in the state. So far, the highest pass percentage has been 50% in 2005. Pass percentages have varied from a dismal 9% in 2003 to 27% in 2011.

                              Senior MCI officials said they would not cancel or dilute the test. "Medicine, unlike other courses, cannot be taken lightly. Doctors deal with lives. We want to convince ourselves that every doctor is adequately trained," the official said.

                              Every time the screening test is held in March or September, about 75% of students fail. Prabhu Raj, 27, completed his undergraduate degree from Stavropol Medical Academy in 2009. He has not been able to clear the test for four years. "I had dreamt of being a doctor from the time I was young. When I could not get a merit seat, I decided to study in Russia since it was cheaper than paying capitation fee to a private college," he said.

                              10,000 foreign-educated doctors jobless after failing Medical Council of India test - Times Of India
                              Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
                              -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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